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By Ina Fried, News.com
Posted on ZDNet News: Jan 26, 2005 5:00:00 AM

Aiming to crack down on counterfeit software, Microsoft plans later this year to require customers to verify that their copy of Windows is genuine before downloading security patches and other add-ons to the operating system.

Since last fall the company has been testing a tool that can check whether a particular version of Windows is legitimate, but until now the checks have been voluntary. Starting Feb. 7, the verification will be mandatory for many downloads for people in three countries: China, Norway and the Czech Republic.

In those countries, people whose copies are found not to be legitimate can get a discount on a genuine copy of Windows, though the price varies from $10 to $150 depending on the country.

By the middle of this year, Microsoft will make the verification mandatory in all countries for both add-on features to Windows as well as for all OS updates, including security patches. Microsoft will continue to allow all people to get Windows updates by turning on the Automatic Update feature within Windows. By doing so, Microsoft hopes it has struck a balance between promoting security and ensuring that people buy genuine versions of Windows.

"We think that the best foundation for the most secure system is genuine software," said David Lazar, director of the Genuine Windows program at Microsoft. "We want to urge all of our customers to use genuine software. (At the same time), we want to make sure that we don't do anything to reduce the likelihood that a user will keep their system up to date."

The program, known as Windows Genuine Advantage, also offers perks to those who verify their copy of Windows. Those who do can get free software as well as discounts on other Microsoft products and services. Microsoft is upping the ante a bit, adding some additional discounts on MSN Games as well as on the company's recently announced Outlook Live subscription service to the existing list of benefits, which includes free access to the company's Photo Story 3 program.

Customers do appear to be interested in double-checking the status of their operating system. Some 8 million people have been asked to participate in the program since testing began, and more than 5 million have taken part.

And those numbers have come with very little recruiting on the part of Microsoft, Lazar said.

"More and more we will be marketing the offers to broaden the participation," he said. "People do like free stuff."

Piracy is a major problem for Microsoft and others in the software industry. One software industry study estimated that more than a third of software is pirated, costing the industry $29 billion a year. Microsoft won't put an exact figure on its losses, but said it is certainly in the billions over the past 10 years.

The validation effort is just part of Microsoft's threefold program, which focuses on educating users, engineering products in ways that minimize piracy, and enforcement through the legal system.

As for the added security risk, Directions on Microsoft analyst Michael Cherry said that people are putting too much of the blame on the software maker.

Cherry said it is not necessarily Microsoft's responsibility to protect people who aren't paying the company for its products. He likened the situation to buying a fake Rolex and then expecting warranty service if the product breaks.

The problem with that analogy, Cherry acknowledged, is that a broken Rolex doesn't put other watch owners at risk, whereas vulnerable computers connected to the Internet threaten all PC users. However, Cherry said that many of the computers that are at risk are using genuine, but older versions of Windows.

"There's a growing chance that the people whose machines are being taken over are running older systems which aren't really securable," he said.

Cherry said he thinks the company is acting appropriately, noting that making sure people are running genuine Windows is important for all customers.

"I think they are entitled to do this, and I think it is in customers' best interest to know that they have a genuine version of the software," he said. Counterfeit copies could contain their own bugs or viruses, and there is no way to guarantee that security patches will work, even if the user can download them, he said.

While Microsoft is the obvious beneficiary if piracy rates go down, Cherry said programs like Genuine Advantage also help level the playing field for smaller computer builders who play by the rules and find themselves undercut by dealers offering PCs with bogus copies of Windows.

"Those are the people I hope the program is helping," Cherry said.

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A whole bunch of predicted this with the "voluntary" validation Squawkbox   | 01/25/05
Shoulda been " a whole bunch of us" etc etc etc Squawkbox   | 01/25/05
DNA-Checking kurttrail   | 01/27/05
Somebody is watching danda@...   | 01/21/08
How can you blame them? NonZealot   | 01/25/05
OS is too costly Argonnj   | 01/25/05
Use something free then. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 01/26/05
Exactly Michael Kelly   | 01/26/05
You forget about the poor and uneducated in developing countries. DonnieBoy   | 01/26/05
One state in a developing country donates millions to M$ vaaah   | 01/27/05
Use something free then. Networktelecomguy   | 01/26/05
Or tic swayback   | 01/26/05
Yes (free) jbengeii@...   | 01/26/05
Tried Fedora? (nt) Anti_Zealot   | 01/27/05
So if something costs too much it is OK to steal it? ShadeTree   | 01/26/05
NO Argonnj   | 01/26/05
More Reasonable? DonG43   | 01/26/05
I agree rkadowns   | 01/26/05
Make me an offer roo_z   | 01/28/05
Copying, not stealing llanitedave   | 01/27/05
Skewed numbers TechDiva_z   | 01/27/05
If something costs too much it is OK to steal - yes Mahegan   | 01/26/05
But, the alternative... Spoon Jabber   | 01/26/05
Not ok to steal anything. JRB9215   | 01/29/05
OS is definitely too costly. Fuzz3942   | 01/26/05
I think... gumby830@...   | 01/28/05
I think new cars and insurance are too expensive ... George Jay   | 01/26/05
Heard from the experts... mactolinux   | 01/26/05
$50 is too much? Anton Philidor   | 01/26/05
Anton and his bogus claims AmusedAtItAll   | 01/27/05
LMAO Hugh Jass   | 01/27/05
Little value offered for the money StanB   | 01/27/05
but it is acceptable kmulvana   | 01/27/05
Think about this leppes   | 01/27/05
So if more people actually paid for it, then The King's Servant   | 01/27/05
How do you figure 200 beans? gumby830@...   | 01/28/05
RE: OS is too costly DaveUSNret   | 01/28/05
Of course they are.. . aussievic   | 01/31/05
Hehehehe Anti_Zealot   | 01/26/05
But - But - But djc1309@...   | 01/27/05
That's what people do aussievic   | 01/31/05
Well yeah.....BUT shawkins   | 01/26/05
That's also true but OTOH... Anti_Zealot   | 01/26/05
Missed a couple points... TrustMe_z   | 01/26/05
Exactly johnnyu   | 01/26/05
Would stop a lot of piracy if i could use one copy on all my boxs linbegone   | 02/01/05
Sorry..this is simply wrong charlieot   | 01/27/05
Maybe not required, but ... TechDiva_z   | 01/27/05
Open source? rapson   | 01/27/05
Bogus argument. Asking to see the tciket is not finger printing. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 01/26/05
Au Contraire No Ax.... shawkins   | 01/26/05
Not quite... htotten   | 01/26/05
At the time of the 286... The King's Servant   | 01/27/05
No Excuses theKid_z   | 01/26/05
Still overpriced TechDiva_z   | 01/27/05
No Search and or siezure GregSalts   | 01/26/05
Not so simple mds_z   | 01/26/05
What more do people need? theKid_z   | 01/26/05
Sports are a monopoly. Anton Philidor   | 01/26/05
not a franchise vaene   | 01/26/05
Narrowly defined Monopoly GregSalts   | 01/26/05
What about desktops OSes? mds_z   | 01/26/05
But that wasn't the market rapson   | 01/26/05
Microsft is a legal monopoly Anton Philidor   | 01/26/05
Legal, maybe, ethical? Anti_Zealot   | 01/27/05
Should, I suppose have alerted for sarcasm. Anton Philidor   | 01/27/05
Right, I did not interpret well Anti_Zealot   | 01/27/05
Why I am required to buy Windows nucrash   | 01/26/05
So... seosamh_z   | 01/26/05
Not sure about you voska   | 01/26/05
My Contribution nucrash   | 01/26/05
Office does not require Windows GregSalts   | 01/26/05
Buy a Mac to use Office????? pirate?   | 01/26/05
Re: Buy a Mac to use Office alterego_z   | 01/26/05
What investment? GregSalts   | 01/26/05
Do you guys work for MS? pirate?   | 01/29/05
Yes and... nucrash   | 01/26/05
Why you don't have to buy Windows! ShadeTree   | 01/26/05
Still a Microsoft Product. nucrash   | 01/26/05
Can only go by the inforamation provided... ShadeTree   | 01/27/05
Office "for students" is $150. Anton Philidor   | 01/26/05
I do not blame them and you are correct on many points Laff   | 01/26/05
Well, Microsoft can be morally right and still screw themselves. DonnieBoy   | 01/26/05
The ABM Rule Linux_Developer   | 01/26/05
When is demolishing a monopoly good? Anton Philidor   | 01/26/05
Demolishing a monopoly is always good if it's not regulated netace_z   | 01/26/05
Several misconceptions Linux_Developer   | 01/27/05
They are not a monopoly... gumby830@...   | 01/28/05
An example of their monopoly! johnlb2002   | 01/28/05
How can a monopoly be demolished? Linux_Developer   | 01/26/05
Awareness of a competitor is not sufficient. Anton Philidor   | 01/27/05
From this statement lengua99   | 12/29/05
Browser and media in the core? The King's Servant   | 01/27/05
The ABM rule... eklat77   | 02/02/05
I have 1 problem with this voska   | 01/26/05
No, there machines No_Ax_to_Grind   | 01/26/05
I can hope that will happen voska   | 01/26/05
Unsecure Win machines allready have this problem johnlb2002   | 01/26/05
No security fixes? rapson   | 01/26/05
Ditto for me voska   | 01/26/05
Nope. Not since midnight, 31st Dec 2004 The King's Servant   | 01/27/05
Public Health Service terry flores   | 01/27/05
Agreed, how can you blame them dave95   | 01/26/05
RE: Agreed, how can you blame them richdave   | 01/26/05
Granted Apple also charges a premium.... dave95   | 01/26/05
Oh, currently downloading SuSe to give it a try - NT dave95   | 01/26/05
So you go to the store, Confused by religion   | 01/26/05
Software is completely different. DonnieBoy   | 01/26/05
Not at all what I am saying dave95   | 01/26/05
did oyu sell any tickets to this yet? linuxoverwindows   | 01/26/05
RE: How can you blame them? JakAttak   | 01/26/05
Legal, moral or payback. jjon2121   | 01/27/05
This is great news for Linux Chad_z   | 01/27/05
No one should be surprised Michael Kelly   | 01/25/05
Does Apple provide tools? Fred Fredrickson   | 01/25/05
No I did not check the site Michael Kelly   | 01/26/05
mac savvy linuxoverwindows   | 01/26/05
iThey isure ido rcark01   | 01/26/05
I'm surprised seosamh_z   | 01/26/05
They should be responsible for the quality of their product Michael Kelly   | 01/26/05
Pirated is pirated regardless who pays GregSalts   | 01/26/05
I'm not saying others aren't at fault Michael Kelly   | 01/26/05
An excellent point mds_z   | 01/26/05
You can't be serious seosamh_z   | 01/26/05
I already answered most of your questions... Michael Kelly   | 01/26/05
Michael: At least it's not another DCA seosamh_z   | 01/26/05
Pirated is pirated ......Ya Well rbc   | 01/26/05
re: I'm surprised lazarus0@...   | 01/30/05
Looks like an opportunity gordon@...   | 01/25/05
Excellent news! Zogg   | 01/26/05
That was my first thought as well Chad_z   | 01/26/05
No lover of MSFT pirate?   | 01/26/05
I assure you to use pirate Windows without problem. pa2004   | 01/26/05
Shame on you! Anti_Zealot   | 01/26/05
Ignore him. He's an "Agent Provocateur". (NT) Zogg   | 01/26/05
When in Rome.... Jack-Booted EULA   | 01/26/05
piracy is theft... linuxoverwindows   | 01/26/05
We all know that, but two wrongs don't make a right Anti_Zealot   | 01/26/05
But three rights make a left! ;-) (NT) Hugh Jass   | 01/27/05
Well that really helps to move the discussion along. . . aussievic   | 01/31/05
Re: piracy is theft... ReFoRMaT   | 01/27/05
Piracy is theft? macbill   | 01/26/05
Microsoft's prices "theft"? d_jedi   | 01/26/05
Except you be copying the ferrari voska   | 01/26/05
That's always a bad argument. Anton Philidor   | 01/26/05
I'm not sure you are right here. enduser_z   | 01/27/05
Re: shame on you psterrett   | 01/26/05
not giving M$ one dime? Anti_Zealot   | 01/27/05
How about shame on them? lazarus0@...   | 01/30/05
Yes, there will be hacks, but it will still make it a lot harder. DonnieBoy   | 01/26/05
pirate Windows without problem. cottom   | 02/01/05
Great quote Richard Flude   | 01/26/05
Not only that Anti_Zealot   | 01/26/05
MS is thankful myndlon@...   | 01/28/05
On the other hand alterego_z   | 01/26/05
know what youre doing linuxoverwindows   | 01/26/05
True alterego_z   | 01/26/05
Not just for security IT Scion   | 01/26/05
Instead of paying $180 for Windows XP, I'm getting a miniMac. chiwawa   | 01/26/05
Don't forget nucrash   | 01/26/05
Re: iWork alterego_z   | 01/26/05
Me too - Enough of monopolistic prices and policies jacarter3   | 01/26/05
LMAO You have to admire a man that can work "cuckhold" into a post. (NT) John E Wahd   | 01/26/05
Re: You have to admire... psterrett   | 01/26/05
lolollllolololl man that the best one yet toxicfreak   | 01/26/05
Like the people with a 2 year old box and can't find the license. DonnieBoy   | 01/26/05
Just Wait.... gumby830@...   | 01/28/05
RE: Instead of paying $180 for Windows XP, I'm getting a miniMac. richdave   | 01/26/05
You forgot a zero... MacCanuck   | 01/26/05
Really? Linux User 147560   | 01/26/05
not only that gsbtech   | 01/26/05
Last time I checked Argonnj   | 01/26/05
Unix is probably serving this web site gsbtech   | 01/27/05
Not only that....continued lazarus0@...   | 01/30/05
buy windows, buy mac or dl linux free linuxoverwindows   | 01/26/05
You forgot one thing.. d_jedi   | 01/26/05
Linux is easy to install now-a-days psterrett   | 01/26/05
Now that is funny stuff!!! gumby830@...   | 01/28/05
You are Funny Stuff! gotobug   | 01/28/05