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By Joris Evers
Posted on ZDNet News: Oct 15, 2005 1:36:00 AM

A Microsoft patch meant to fix critical security flaws in Windows 2000, Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 is causing trouble for some users, the company said Friday.

The patch was released Tuesday to fix four Windows flaws, including one that experts predict will be exploited by a worm in the coming days. The flaw, tagged "critical" by Microsoft, lies in a Windows component for transaction processing called the Microsoft Distributed Transaction Coordinator, or MSDTC.

Installing the patch can cause serious problems, Microsoft said in an advisory posted to its Web site Friday. The patch could lock users out of their PC, prevent the Windows Firewall from starting, block certain applications from running or installing, and empty the network connections folder, among other things, the software maker said.

The trouble appears to occur only when default permission settings on a Windows directory have been changed, according to Microsoft. The software maker has received "limited reports" of problems from customers but is still investigating the issue, a representative said.

Even if users experience PC trouble after installing the patch, they will still be protected against any attack exploiting the Windows flaw, a Microsoft representative said. The patch was delivered with Microsoft security bulletin MS05-051.

To resolve any problems caused by the MS05-051 patch, users should restore the default permissions for the Windows folder and the COM+ catalog. A guide is available on the Microsoft Web site, and steps start with changing the permissions on the "registration" folder in the Windows directory.

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I never changed the permission bits. I didn't even know they existed. However, in spite of idiots such as yourself I figured out what the problem was. When I did a repair reinstall of Windows it assig... (Read the rest)
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Sensationalistic title  rapson | 10/14/05
The idea is...  Qbt | 10/14/05
If you change the default settings thereby screwing up the back door,  Update victim | 10/17/05
it affects XP Home, you *CAN'T* change permissions in XPHome  hipparchus2000 | 10/17/05
what?  doh123 | 10/17/05
explain how then since I don't get how to  hipparchus2000 | 10/17/05
It's not as full-featured  java.user | 10/17/05
XP Home Permissions  biomedr | 10/18/05
Problems explained  poocow666 | 10/14/05
Your facts to support this...  ye | 10/15/05
and your facts are where ye? (nt)  stormdoor | 10/16/05
For what?  ye | 10/16/05
On My Network!  The King's Servant | 10/17/05
More BS from the anti-Microsoft zealots  ye | 10/17/05
So everyone having "Read Access" is securing my data? (NT)  The King's Servant | 10/17/05
Ignore the (NT) on last post. Text is present.  The King's Servant | 10/17/05
Do you even understand the issue?  ye | 10/17/05
There's nothing for you to correct.  ye | 10/17/05
sensitive data security  plawler | 10/17/05
"ye" you're clueless  hipparchus2000 | 10/17/05
Then this isn't your problem.  ye | 10/17/05
Or perhaps MS is wrong  mds_z | 10/17/05
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That is right Bubba  osreinstall | 10/19/05
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When are you going to quit whining?  osreinstall | 10/20/05
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programmers  Scott W | 10/15/05
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ye, stop trying to put words  stormdoor | 10/16/05
Where did I put words in his mouth?  ye | 10/16/05
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Re: "WTF?"  metilley@... | 10/15/05
And you have always delivered perfect software?  jmchugh@... | 10/17/05
If what you claim is true...  Elekt | 10/17/05
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MS doesn't test software very well  cgraham_z | 11/03/05
OK, now, just breathe deeply...  dsentman@... | 10/15/05
Get a life.  Grayson Peddie | 10/15/05
So do you...  Linux User 147560 | 10/15/05
No problems here  rapson | 10/15/05
Slight issue  Trevor_G | 10/17/05
so linux, bsd, and mac aren't capable of the same  bobjones68@... | 10/16/05
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Hey, how about giving me a solution...  The King's Servant | 10/17/05
Ok.....  JoeMama_z | 10/17/05
You're wrong  william.landaeta@... | 10/17/05
It doesn't matter...  ye | 10/17/05
Jesus don't you get it "ye" XP Home CAN'T CHANGE PERMISSIONS  hipparchus2000 | 10/17/05
half true....  JoeMama_z | 10/17/05
What I get, if you're to be believed...  ye | 10/17/05
"whining"  hipparchus2000 | 10/17/05
That would be fine it that's all you did...  ye | 10/17/05
AFAIK the system is pretty standard configuration  hipparchus2000 | 10/17/05
Apparently not...  ye | 10/17/05
No, I restored to a system restore point prior to the update  hipparchus2000 | 10/17/05
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Goddamit Ye READ the article paragraph 2  hipparchus2000 | 10/17/05
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sometimes bad things happen an no-one is at fault  hipparchus2000 | 10/17/05
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HOGWASH!  william.landaeta@... | 10/19/05
We're still testing the patch  toadlife | 10/14/05
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noobish users  Scott W | 10/15/05
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You said it yourself  Linux User 147560 | 10/16/05
Is this the best you can do?  ye | 10/16/05
See there you go again!  Linux User 147560 | 10/16/05
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Ye, it was your observation  voska | 10/17/05
The words I used were just words.  ye | 10/17/05
you just did boil all three down to single word characterisations  hipparchus2000 | 10/17/05
Correcting others does not make me a zealot.  ye | 10/17/05
What?  A_Pickle | 10/17/05
Flawed analogy  baggins_z | 10/15/05
OS Hard Drive  rptasiuk | 10/17/05
Windows - Another Gates/Ballmer Disaster  metilley@... | 10/15/05
How is this Microsoft's fault?  ye | 10/15/05
Not MS fault?  Justcauz | 10/16/05
Irrelavent...  ye | 10/16/05
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Trying to be helpful...  ye | 10/17/05
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You can whine all you want...  ye | 10/17/05
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Because...  ye | 10/17/05
Well...  Patrick Jones | 10/17/05
Then you need to investigate why...  ye | 10/17/05
I don't blame Microsoft for my actions..  Patrick Jones | 10/17/05
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You are joking, right?  Patrick Jones | 10/17/05
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And please note where I said..  Patrick Jones | 10/17/05
Already noted and it's irrelavent...  ye | 10/17/05
No, it is not irrelevant  Patrick Jones | 10/18/05
It is irrelavent...  ye | 10/18/05
You must be some kind of idiot MSHOME can't change permissions  hipparchus2000 | 10/17/05
What you say doesn't make sense...  ye | 10/17/05
so what's your solution?  hipparchus2000 | 10/17/05
The solution is not to expect Microsoft to fix...  ye | 10/17/05
Let's Not Defend an Indefensible Position  ProfKing | 10/19/05
Ummm,...ya  lt_poncho@... | 10/17/05
Worked here just fine..  Mike Cox | 10/15/05
Pizza Money  justmeinok@... | 10/16/05
Mike would respond...  nucrash | 10/17/05
Same here  nucrash | 10/17/05
5  An_Axe_to_Grind | 10/17/05
3 it was ok  linuxoverwindows | 10/17/05
4.0, Notre Dame Loss Must Have Gotcha Down (nt)  tbbrickster_z | 10/17/05
How much does M$ pay you?  rupix | 10/21/05
Sounds pretty serious to me  node357 | 10/15/05
Again?!!!"  davechilds_2000@... | 10/15/05
You make this sound as if this...  ye | 10/15/05
Well if history  Linux User 147560 | 10/16/05
Then you shouldn't have any problem listing...  ye | 10/16/05
Okay!  Linux User 147560 | 10/16/05
I didn't think you could.  ye | 10/16/05
No_Axe_to_Grind?  Linux User 147560 | 10/16/05
Thanks for proving that Microsoft is not...  ye | 10/16/05
I don't need to prove anything  Linux User 147560 | 10/16/05
Sure you do.  ye | 10/16/05
Fine:  Linux User 147560 | 10/16/05
They were links  voska | 10/17/05
Of course they are  Boot_Agnostic | 10/17/05
Again: I didn't think so.  ye | 10/17/05
Because...  ye | 10/17/05
That's pretty good...but...  lawryll@... | 10/17/05
Wouldn't a Sharp Stick work better? NT  Trevor_G | 10/17/05
Fine! for starters, Win2kSP4.  The King's Servant | 10/17/05
Oh please...  ye | 10/17/05
Service pack/patch  The King's Servant | 10/17/05
Everything you say...  ye | 10/17/05
No I haven't  Linux User 147560 | 10/17/05
So you keep saying...  ye | 10/17/05
Where do you live?  Linux User 147560 | 10/17/05
Please show me where I ever said...  ye | 10/17/05
back tracking are we now, ye?  mdsmedia | 10/17/05
What cartwheels?  ye | 10/17/05
you can't see that you're a zealot  hipparchus2000 | 10/17/05
The plain fact that the patch combined...  ye | 10/17/05
I have more faith in Microsoft  hipparchus2000 | 10/17/05
Keep spinning  LoCal | 10/17/05
Unless that financial and medical information...  ye | 10/17/05
Thanks alot MS!! My PC is jacked up!!!  DancinKatieh@... | 10/15/05
Message has been deleted.  toadlife | 10/15/05
Oh thats really intelligent...  DancinKatieh@... | 10/15/05
You're welcome  toadlife | 10/15/05
One note...  toadlife | 10/15/05
toadlife needs one, too  node357 | 10/15/05
It's hard here at Zdnet  Boot_Agnostic | 10/16/05
The verdict from a SANS security expert...  Zogg | 10/17/05
Apologise for what?  debitaylor | 10/17/05
Toadlife's message to Katieh was offensive enough to get deleted.  Zogg | 10/18/05
Well Actually...  Trevor_G | 10/18/05
Ah grasshopper...  ArtMac | 10/17/05
Patch hasn't been out a week...  ye | 10/15/05
This activity start on Tuesday...  DancinKatieh@... | 10/15/05
Did you try following the advice given...  ye | 10/15/05
Restore...  Seymour6669_z | 10/15/05
RE: Restore...  DancinKatieh@... | 10/17/05
PC Lock out  LordUthyr | 10/15/05
Windows PE to the rescue  Aknot | 10/17/05
Two whom it may concern  Justcauz | 10/16/05
Solve your headaches here  Linux User 147560 | 10/16/05
P.S.  java.user | 10/17/05
Did someone beat on the woodwork again? NT  Trevor_G | 10/17/05
Skilled hacker? New OS!  Fernando_z | 10/17/05
Uh...  ArtMac | 10/17/05
OK it was more of a joke  Justcauz | 10/17/05
need a hacker 2  pris_z | 10/21/05
www.apple.com  ITGuy04 | 10/24/05
Critical Windows patch may wreak PC havoc  otisrivers@... | 10/16/05
Just remember a point release of your fav program  Boot_Agnostic | 10/16/05
I wasted hours on my kids pc last night because of this  hipparchus2000 | 10/17/05
"fix" is useless for xp home  hipparchus2000 | 10/17/05
Thank you  nocturne6@... | 10/17/05
best thing to do to "fix" it for now  hipparchus2000 | 10/17/05
This is why...  dsentman@... | 10/17/05
Difficult to do when...  ye | 10/17/05
I suspect a troll...  ye | 10/17/05
troll ????  hipparchus2000 | 10/17/05
Re "troll ????" - yep, and a clueless one at that...  Scrat | 10/17/05
I didn't know that but that doesn't make me a troll  hipparchus2000 | 10/17/05
Did you ever stop to think...  ye | 10/17/05
Looks like you didn't stop to think here. here you blame the user  hipparchus2000 | 10/17/05
SANS blames the user too...  ye | 10/17/05
SANS did NOT blame the user.  Zogg | 10/17/05
There's no need to tighten these permissions...  ye | 10/17/05
Ask Mr Adusumilli.  Zogg | 10/18/05
I didn't see Mr. Adusumilli recommend...  ye | 10/18/05
Mr Adusumilli didn't recommend AGAINST the changes either.  Zogg | 10/18/05
not true  william.landaeta@... | 10/17/05
Then this isn't your problem...  ye | 10/17/05
You are totally wrong.  william.landaeta@... | 06/21/06
HAH! "Ye" Be the Troll! (nt)  tbbrickster_z | 10/17/05
Permission are supposed to be modified  voska | 10/17/05
except on xp home you can't change permissions  hipparchus2000 | 10/17/05
Yes you can.....  Scrat | 10/17/05
Oh dear...  Scrat | 10/17/05
so all these people logged in in safe mode and screwed their settings  hipparchus2000 | 10/17/05
No...it just means that you're clueless about Windows.  ye | 10/17/05
see the link in my reply above. In the link YOU BLAME THE USER  hipparchus2000 | 10/17/05
Doesn't change the fact that this is not...  ye | 10/17/05
Just because something can be done...  ye | 10/17/05
and here you BLAME THE USER  hipparchus2000 | 10/17/05
Doesn't change the fact that it's not...  ye | 10/17/05
I'm not blaming MS. The issue is how to fix broken PCs  hipparchus2000 | 10/17/05
As you've already said...  ye | 10/17/05
are you affiliated with microsoft, if not, then as I am a ms customer  hipparchus2000 | 10/17/05
Please point out where I said...  ye | 10/17/05
I totally agree, this is one screw up in a long time. Cut MS a break.  hipparchus2000 | 10/17/05
Fortunately it wasn't Microsoft's fault...  ye | 10/17/05
hours?  william.landaeta@... | 10/17/05
This is the 3rd consecutive year of the same problem  whisperycat | 10/17/05
Sigh...  dsentman@... | 10/17/05
Double sigh  whisperycat | 10/18/05
Typical  An_Axe_to_Grind | 10/17/05
M$ srtikes again....  tslocum7 | 10/17/05
Flaw with Patch  degarbey@... | 10/17/05
Windows patch  tvm | 10/17/05
he he he...  daver_z | 10/17/05
No no: they have been investing in  michael_t | 10/17/05
litigation litigation litigation  ironfist03 | 10/17/05
Hmm, could you show us...  Scrat | 10/17/05
to modify default directory permissions?  tedman | 10/17/05
Permissions on /etc/shadow...  ye | 10/17/05
First  Linux Advocate | 10/17/05
Just as I thought...  ye | 10/17/05
Agreed  java.user | 10/17/05
Oops, not chmod  java.user | 10/17/05
Actuall you are wrong  Linux Advocate | 10/17/05
Actuall you are wrong  Linux Advocate | 10/17/05
Where are these "thousands of resonable responses"?  ye | 10/17/05
re: Actuall you are wrong  java.user | 10/17/05
MS should have known better  tedman | 10/17/05
They wouldn't have had a problem if...  ye | 10/17/05
Apparently you are not an IT, programmer  tedman | 10/17/05
What are you trying to say?  ye | 10/17/05
...  sir_cheats_a_lot | 10/19/05
As always, you could have and can buy differently  Boot_Agnostic | 10/17/05
People by in large do not buy an operating system!  jmchugh@... | 10/17/05
Well said...  spdrcrtob | 10/17/05
New Patch  carlosc05 | 10/17/05
I predicted this years ago  George Jay | 10/17/05
Well, we have a proper Nostradamus here...  Scrat | 10/17/05
Dual boot Windows machines  Ngallendou | 10/17/05
Average User  DonG43 | 10/17/05
Unlikely...  ye | 10/17/05
Unless...  Michael Kelly | 10/17/05
Then the mistake lies with the "expert" and not...  ye | 10/17/05
You are very wrong  tedman | 10/17/05
Who experienced a problem?  Winfan | 10/17/05
Scenario?  Scrat | 10/17/05
non-issue  hipparchus2000 | 10/17/05
Why did you spend a few hours?  ye | 10/17/05
maybe it was an antivirus program or something *I DON'T KNOW*  hipparchus2000 | 10/17/05
Of course you don't know...  ye | 10/17/05
about 50 times I said I didn't blame them, you keep saying I do  hipparchus2000 | 10/17/05
Sure you are...  ye | 10/17/05
Microsoft ooooh Microsoft ye be cursed forever...  computeroutlet | 10/17/05
Unix again  Krazyken39 | 10/17/05
Oh, good  ryworld61 | 10/17/05
Yeah....  Krazyken39 | 10/17/05
Not if you are locked out  Reverend MacFellow | 10/17/05
Just What Is M$'s Problem?  EBathory | 10/17/05
THE SKY IS FALLING!!  jdervin | 10/17/05
Tell that to my users!  The King's Servant | 10/17/05
No Patch Problems Any More No Windows  oisleach@... | 10/17/05
Now it seems, MS has found the way...  ArtMac | 10/17/05
easy fix get rid of NTFS...  Idgaf | 10/17/05
Working  hoardo | 10/17/05
Another MS blunder???  AnnDroid1 | 10/17/05
too hard  hipparchus2000 | 10/17/05
ok, ok, ok  hoardo | 10/17/05
Sensational Headlines  lylesonbob | 10/17/05
Cure = Roxio/Norton GoBack  Schweizer | 10/17/05
No problems  Tico_z | 10/17/05
It's just a rat race.  papatator | 10/17/05
LOL Broke IE, who cares?  NotMSUser | 10/17/05
More bull crap from MS  rickhnelson@... | 10/17/05
Here's Whatcha Can Do...  tbbrickster_z | 10/17/05
Wow...bloat anyone?  Scrat | 10/17/05
Your Kidding, Right !?!  tbbrickster_z | 10/18/05
Nope, but you must be....  Scrat | 10/19/05
My Reply...  tbbrickster_z | 10/19/05
MS AntiSpyware  Shutterbug | 11/01/05
ZASS  sir_cheats_a_lot | 10/19/05
Amazed MS kept their nose clean this long  tedman | 10/17/05
Let's Not Forget DOS 3.X and XP SP2  tbbrickster_z | 10/17/05
Updates are worse than any worm  tedman | 10/17/05
A few corrections  java.user | 10/17/05
You are addressing two messages  tedman | 10/18/05
I know  java.user | 10/18/05
Worked Fine  amcguire72 | 10/17/05
why have autoupdate on???  hipparchus2000 | 10/17/05
Your right.  Cayble | 12/29/05
Symantec Ghost for Such Issues  tbbrickster_z | 10/17/05
Keep It Simple Stupid  ncouture@... | 10/17/05
KISS?  Scrat | 10/17/05
windows patch  willyp_z | 10/17/05
MS05-051 patch  karen_ohm1@... | 10/17/05
There should be a jumper on the Motherboard  IT-sys | 10/17/05
And if there isn't a jumper...  tbbrickster_z | 10/18/05
Jumper? What?  Shutterbug | 11/01/05
What an entirely dumb statement...  BitTwiddler | 10/17/05
Not from my end...  wayww | 10/17/05
This had me down for a week!!!!  chef29 | 10/17/05
Are you still using windows? Then your stuck on stupid.  teckk@... | 10/17/05
It's You're stupid, stupido  Winfan | 10/19/05
Microsoft's newest update - Blah !  sharkvette75@... | 10/17/05
Bonanza for Barracuda!  broper | 10/17/05
MS mistake?  Recce1 | 10/17/05
Windows Patch Problems  jrmtay@... | 10/17/05
Critical Disaster  foxie9876 | 10/17/05
Its good to know my PC is protected... even from me... sad  Summerbreeze_43 | 10/17/05
Microsoft is LIABLE for it's products  IT-sys | 10/17/05
Most action law suits money goes to lawyers  tedman | 10/17/05
deja vu  robtomba | 10/17/05
Win Patch  hdwhit@... | 10/17/05
Patches and Replys  kb0lkt@... | 10/17/05
"And tho the holes were rather small...  s_gamgee | 10/18/05
Just joined this site and ready to leave again  Hc1957 | 10/18/05
MS clarification  ed_mac | 10/18/05
MS still working out of the basement?  jpb@... | 10/18/05
Critical Windows patch may wreak PC havoc  PhoenixStorm26 | 10/18/05
Sorry ya'll got burned, so how many of you did  Boot_Agnostic | 10/18/05
FLAWS AND SKYPE SHOULD SERVE AS A WAKE UP CALL  fakir005@... | 10/18/05
Bad Windows patch  wilko13 | 10/18/05
Windows 98 SE: oldie but a goodie  rogernob | 10/18/05
Back to 98SE  TokyoPete | 11/02/05
Windows 98SE an oldie, but a goodie  PekinDude | 10/18/05
the good old oldie  TokyoPete | 11/02/05
I will not recommend any more Microsoft Solutions  NasirVazir | 10/19/05
Sorry to see you go  Winfan | 10/19/05
This is why I switched to mac.  bradlwlk | 10/20/05
windows patch  tuger | 10/22/05
Good news, bad news  geobeck | 10/24/05
Windows Patch  dreamncolr | 11/02/05
PC havoc using win98  alle2003@... | 11/02/05
Havoc  TokyoPete | 11/02/05
no problems  falcon5050 | 11/02/05
If I could get that far - really poor quality code  m.cushman@... | 11/04/05
Anyone Else Concerned about Reaching "1984?"  TerryGeorge | 12/29/05
Re: Anyone Else Concerned about Reaching "1984?"  coverstreet@... | 12/29/05

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