The problem seems to be expectation
Scrat | 04/04/07
|

Let's face it
Spoon Jabber | 04/04/07
|
 
I think it will be for the same reason
xuniL_z | 04/04/07
|
  
Yes, but to get that....
mypl8s4u2 | 04/04/07
|
   
I paid $750 for my Vista system
ye | 04/04/07
|
    
Premium content with DRM
miyojim | 04/04/07
|
     
What does that have to do with Aero?
ye | 04/04/07
|
    
Although 3.0 is fairly low on the Vista scale...
Jeff Hayes | 04/04/07
|
    
Big deal
dolph0291 | 04/05/07
|
     
Lets' start with this...
xuniL_z | 04/06/07
|
   
"Mega RAM"
M.R. Kennedy | 04/04/07
|
   
Go to any bestbuy
xuniL_z | 04/04/07
|
    
CORRECTION, PRICES I LISTED ARE FOR
xuniL_z | 04/04/07
|
    
Did you ever play premium content?
miyojim | 04/04/07
|
     
I"m not even interested
xuniL_z | 04/06/07
|
 
Or they can buy a Mac Mini and Parallels and install
Laff | 04/04/07
|
  
Or , better yet.....
xuniL_z | 04/04/07
|
   
More? How so?
Laff | 04/04/07
|
    
Did you notice
xuniL_z | 04/04/07
|
    
How so...
waterhzrd | 04/04/07
|
     
Dependson the circumstances....
Laff | 04/05/07
|
     
pagan Jim
xuniL_z | 04/06/07
|
   
bootcamp a hack?
doh123 | 04/04/07
|
    
Please lookup definition of "hack"
xuniL_z | 04/04/07
|
     
no... you dont
doh123 | 04/04/07
|
     
Ok, but how do I
xuniL_z | 04/06/07
|
   
Or , better yet.....
uM0p ap!sdn | 04/05/07
|
   
And why get stuck running only windows?
dolph0291 | 04/05/07
|
  
Funny coming from a Mac defender
NonZealot | 04/04/07
|
   
You must be using two different currencies...
Gordon Gonsalves | 04/04/07
|
    
Ahem, Gordon, I'd say you DO need some education...
Jeff Hayes | 04/04/07
|
     
Ahem, Jeff, I'd say you DO need some education...
uM0p ap!sdn | 04/05/07
|
    
Here ya go...
waterhzrd | 04/04/07
|
     
Oh come on now
dolph0291 | 04/05/07
|
 
Go Joe six-pack
DIMrBobSir | 04/04/07
|

Microsoft didn't set that expectation.
ye | 04/04/07
|
 
Oh, trust me . . .
critic-at-arms | 04/04/07
|
  
That's quite a reply
xuniL_z | 04/04/07
|
  
I'll trust you when you become objective.
ye | 04/04/07
|
   
Then you obviously don't trust yourself
MacCanuck | 04/04/07
|
    
Grow up. Is a "I know you are but what am I?" response...
ye | 04/04/07
|
     
Don't listen to him
xuniL_z | 04/04/07
|
     
"Ouch"
MacCanuck | 04/04/07
|
     
Don't listen to xuniL_z
MacCanuck | 04/04/07
|
     
Are you serious?
xuniL_z | 04/04/07
|
 
A "fantastic job of securing the OS" would be...
jasonp@... | 04/04/07
|
  
So, just out of curiosity...
3D0G | 04/04/07
|
   
Trusted BSD,
galileon | 04/04/07
|
    
BZZZZTTT But thanks for playing.
3D0G | 04/04/07
|
   
Sure ....
The Smoking Man | 04/04/07
|
  
Funny you label me an NBMer even though I'm posting...
ye | 04/04/07
|
   
Can I play too!?
Linux User 147560 | 04/04/07
|
    
ummm....he wasn't playing.
xuniL_z | 04/04/07
|
     
I'll have to return the compliment.
ye | 04/04/07
|
     
Get a room! (NT)
Spoon Jabber | 04/04/07
|
 
answer: THEY WILL!
galileon | 04/04/07
|
  
MAC is hardly used in Linux and not available in OS X.
ye | 04/04/07
|
   
You can run Linux and Windows using Parallels on a Mac.
Laff | 04/04/07
|
    
Psssst. Jim.....ummm
xuniL_z | 04/04/07
|
 
Real Answer
Freebird54 | 04/05/07
|
 
Microsoft didn't set that expectation
uM0p ap!sdn | 04/05/07
|

What makes you think Vista's SP1 will be better than any other SP has been?
critic-at-arms | 04/04/07
|
 
Speaking of circuses
xuniL_z | 04/04/07
|
  
You can't "here" because you don't listen
critic-at-arms | 04/04/07
|
   
unsupportable
xuniL_z | 04/04/07
|
    
LOL! Eddie does rock! (NT)
Spoon Jabber | 04/05/07
|
     
Oh, the memories. (NT)
xuniL_z | 04/06/07
|
     
EVH!
yu_forum@... | 05/21/07
|
  
Oh, BTW, I'm not mad . . .
critic-at-arms | 04/04/07
|
   
Oh, BTW, I'm not
xuniL_z | 04/04/07
|
  
Wasn't it IBM?
Spoon Jabber | 04/04/07
|
   
I don't believe it was IBM or MS
MacCanuck | 04/04/07
|
    
What I was referring to was the fact
xuniL_z | 04/04/07
|
    
Depends on definition
Freebird54 | 04/05/07
|
     
Wise choice. (NT)
xuniL_z | 04/05/07
|
  
Speaking of circuses
uM0p ap!sdn | 04/05/07
|

Keep dreaming
mypl8s4u2 | 04/04/07
|
 
Buy a system with XP?
3D0G | 04/04/07
|
  
Not at retail stores
Spoon Jabber | 04/04/07
|

Don't
wjkahlssmd@... | 04/05/07
|
Vista=Zune OSX=iPod
An_Axe_to_Grind | 04/04/07
|

OK, you have a Zune,....
Spoon Jabber | 04/04/07
|

Here we go again !
Intellihence | 04/04/07
|
 
Here we go again ! Intellihence
SO.CAL Guy | 04/04/07
|
  
What did you say ?
Intellihence | 04/04/07
|
  
For the record , that small footprint you speak of is what keeps me safe .
Intellihence | 04/04/07
|
  
Wow, look, another Microsoft zealot
nix_hed | 04/04/07
|
   
Tell me about it.
xuniL_z | 04/04/07
|
   
Ironic
mlambert890@... | 04/05/07
|
    
Ironic indeed
dolph0291 | 04/05/07
|
     
hmmmm....Look at the thread Indeed.
xuniL_z | 04/06/07
|
   
list keeps on growing
yu_forum@... | 05/21/07
|
  
This guy knows nothing about OS security
ralphrides | 04/04/07
|
  
Here we go again ! Intellihence
uM0p ap!sdn | 04/05/07
|

Your comparisons do nothing more
xuniL_z | 04/04/07
|
The problem is not the software
Chad_z | 04/04/07
|

Because when they don't the ABMers whine
ye | 04/04/07
|
 
Actually . . .
critic-at-arms | 04/04/07
|
  
Stop trying to glue on new features?
ye | 04/04/07
|
   
No conflict -- I've always been with you on this one
critic-at-arms | 04/04/07
|
    
I haven't had nearly the problems with Windows...
ye | 04/04/07
|
     
Were you using NT 4.0 pre or post SP3 ???
mrlinux | 04/04/07
|
     
I've been using NT since 3.1
ye | 04/04/07
|
     
I haven't had nearly the problems with Windows...
uM0p ap!sdn | 04/05/07
|
     
I second that
A_Selby | 04/05/07
|
    
mission critical
xuniL_z | 04/04/07
|
     
Windows BIAS
andy40au@... | 04/04/07
|
     
BIAS? Coming from you
xuniL_z | 04/05/07
|
  
MS cannot fix bugs, because there are too many
miyojim | 04/04/07
|
   
Hear Hear!
andy40au@... | 04/04/07
|
  
no, its old code never meant for modern secuity
ralphrides | 04/04/07
|
 
Absutely none from anyone with a clue...
jasonp@... | 04/04/07
|
  
Except that in the case of Vista...
miyojim | 04/04/07
|
   
The real facts are
xuniL_z | 04/05/07
|
    
Vista compatibility
yu_forum@... | 05/21/07
|
 
Just damned annoying
Chad_z | 04/04/07
|
Dirty little secret??
DavidMowers | 04/04/07
|

Well said! (NT)
Loverock Davidson | 04/04/07
|

Agreed
critic-at-arms | 04/04/07
|
 
NT derives from VMS, from DEC
miyojim | 04/04/07
|
Experience the wow?
macdonalds | 04/04/07
|

nah, the WOW is more like...
nix_hed | 04/04/07
|
 
Time for a change, Apple does not DRM its OS
ralphrides | 04/04/07
|
  
Talk about spin....you are right there with the zealots.
xuniL_z | 04/06/07
|
Cursor flaw gives Vista security a black eye
Loverock Davidson | 04/04/07
|

How are you this morning , have the black eyes gone away ?
Intellihence | 04/04/07
|
 
Comment
Spoon Jabber | 04/04/07
|
  
I would never think of Intellihence being George Ou...
bportlock | 04/04/07
|
   
LOOK EVERYONE!@#*@#! HE MENTIONS ME!!!
Loverock Davidson | 04/04/07
|
    
The voices in your head don't count
Shelendrea | 04/04/07
|
   
I would never think it either
xuniL_z | 04/04/07
|
 
Intellihence just so you know read this
SO.CAL Guy | 04/04/07
|

Good idea, let's compare
Spoon Jabber | 04/04/07
|
 
Hehehe
mg156 | 04/04/07
|
 
Let us compare
Loverock Davidson | 04/04/07
|
  
Work with me
Spoon Jabber | 04/04/07
|
   
And why is that subjective
xuniL_z | 04/04/07
|
    
Subject to opinion
Spoon Jabber | 04/05/07
|
     
Like this!
Spoon Jabber | 04/05/07
|
     
Apple zealots are not going to like you!!
xuniL_z | 04/05/07
|
     
I'm an equal opportunity offender! (NT)
Spoon Jabber | 04/05/07
|
 
LOL
A_Selby | 04/05/07
|

Did you notice you gave away the "dirty little secret"?
deleweye | 04/04/07
|
 
Flaws in your post
Loverock Davidson | 04/04/07
|
  
Sorry but read the FA again...
Linux User 147560 | 04/04/07
|
   
I did
Loverock Davidson | 04/04/07
|
    
But you're missing the point
thetargos | 04/04/07
|
     
You seem to have lost count???
xuniL_z | 04/05/07
|
  
I was wrong - you don't know how they do it.
deleweye | 04/04/07
|
 
Did you notice you gave away the "dirty little secret"?
SO.CAL Guy | 04/06/07
|

Windoze security
critic-at-arms | 04/04/07
|

It's still disappointing...
RocketEater | 04/04/07
|
 
Vista was exploitable through this vulnerability.
ye | 04/04/07
|
 
Any exploit is disappointing
Loverock Davidson | 04/04/07
|

You're full of it Lovey
Shelendrea | 04/04/07
|
 
If it=facts, then yes
Loverock Davidson | 04/04/07
|
  
Oh they couldn't have?
Shelendrea | 04/04/07
|

Most secure version of Windows yet...
jasonp@... | 04/04/07
|
 
It is the most secure version yet
Loverock Davidson | 04/04/07
|
  
Define 'close'
flatliner | 04/04/07
|
   
THIS ARTICLE IS WRONG
xuniL_z | 04/06/07
|
    
100% secure than Linux
yu_forum@... | 05/21/07
|

Boring lazy clown can never type an origial...
tek_heretik | 04/04/07
|

If you knew the prior history of Vista...
miyojim | 04/04/07
|

don't have the credit
yu_forum@... | 05/21/07
|
Vista - same old tat as XP
whisperycat | 04/04/07
|

Maybe we should ask "For who?"
Spoon Jabber | 04/04/07
|
 
If had just a nickel
xuniL_z | 04/04/07
|
  
Yes, but the inference...
Spoon Jabber | 04/04/07
|
   
Well
xuniL_z | 04/04/07
|
    
Great Toshiba laptop! (NT)
Spoon Jabber | 04/05/07
|
  
Didn't ZDNet just have an article about how iTunes..
KWierso | 04/04/07
|
   
No, you read it wrong.
xuniL_z | 04/05/07
|

Torvalds is in disagreement with yoiu!!
xuniL_z | 04/04/07
|
What about DEP?
Heatlesssun1 | 04/04/07
|

Can't disable it...
Spoon Jabber | 04/04/07
|
 
It is enabled by default
Michael L Hereid Sr | 04/04/07
|
  
I don't believe that it is.
ye | 04/04/07
|
   
Not enabled for IE by default
PB_z | 04/04/07
|
    
*cough*Flash*cough*
yu_forum@... | 05/21/07
|
  
DEP
M.R. Kennedy | 04/04/07
|
I thought ...
gitmo | 04/04/07
|

Similar to Linux, OSX
Spoon Jabber | 04/04/07
|
 
The mere fact that they constantly fault Windows...
ye | 04/04/07
|
  
Nice try . . .
critic-at-arms | 04/04/07
|
   
Linux and OS X may be better but wrt security.
ye | 04/04/07
|
    
wrt security
yu_forum@... | 05/21/07
|
   
Nice try.....
xuniL_z | 04/04/07
|
Ok ok ok, here read this
jesus_arocho@... | 04/04/07
|

"I work for Microsoft"
Ole Man | 04/04/07
|
 
That you would use that as a copout.
ye | 04/04/07
|
 
re: "I work for Microsoft"
M.R. Kennedy | 04/04/07
|
 
The fact is.....
xuniL_z | 04/04/07
|
Experience the OW!
critic-at-arms | 04/04/07
|

LOL! (NT)
Spoon Jabber | 04/04/07
|
 
Can you feel the burn. I can.
nix_hed | 04/04/07
|
  
What I would really like to know
xuniL_z | 04/04/07
|
The problem is the codebase
jfp | 04/04/07
|

MS gave up the chance to redesign the OS...
miyojim | 04/04/07
|
This has got to hurt
Shelendrea | 04/04/07
|

Give the guy a break ...
The Smoking Man | 04/04/07
|
 
more suicides
yu_forum@... | 05/21/07
|
Same old $h1t
mypl8s4u2 | 04/04/07
|

Chill out, dude...
RocketEater | 04/04/07
|

Rants... Linux... Etc.
MTPromises | 04/04/07
|

Same old $h1t
SO.CAL Guy | 04/06/07
|
Why is everyone so surprised by hackers ability to exploit windows?
tgschmidt | 04/04/07
|

Yes, the biggest Market Share = Biggest Target...
MTPromises | 04/04/07
|
 
vulnerability.
miyojim | 04/04/07
|
There is no perfection manmade
Pyrotech_z | 04/04/07
|
Nothing is perfect"
pennynleigh@... | 04/04/07
|

Come on...
jasonp@... | 04/04/07
|
 
Microsoft didn't fail to deliver.
ye | 04/04/07
|
  
New ways to make Vista fail.
miyojim | 04/04/07
|
   
So
xuniL_z | 04/05/07
|
    
confirm these work
yu_forum@... | 05/21/07
|
Microsoft patched VISTA...Good!
MacGeek2121 | 04/04/07
|

No, it doesn't blow the marketshare theory.
ye | 04/04/07
|
 
Also...
3D0G | 04/04/07
|

Links please!
NonZealot | 04/04/07
|
Of course Vista wasn't rewritten from scratch
PB_z | 04/04/07
|

Because that doesn't make good FUD for the ABMers
ye | 04/04/07
|
 
Sorry not in SuSE
Linux User 147560 | 04/04/07
|
  
And here are the key words :"...willing to install it on."
ye | 04/04/07
|
   
Ah you see your knowladge of Linux iis limited...
Linux User 147560 | 04/04/07
|
    
Just how heavy are those goalposts anyway?
ye | 04/04/07
|
     
No there you have your answer
Linux User 147560 | 04/04/07
|
     
IOW Not Too Heavy.
ye | 04/04/07
|
     
AppArmor not SE Linux
yu_forum@... | 05/21/07
|
   
Ah you see your knowladge of Linux iis limited... Preview would be nice!
Linux User 147560 | 04/04/07
|
    
Is it truly on by default?
NonZealot | 04/04/07
|
     
Enterprise version includes it by default.
ye | 04/04/07
|
     
Yes it is.
Linux User 147560 | 04/04/07
|
     
Linux zealot 12345
NonZealot | 04/04/07
|
    
Hmmm...
RocketEater | 04/04/07
|
    
Nice to see my money
xuniL_z | 04/04/07
|
 
You have to admit that when someone mentions security
MacGeek2121 | 04/04/07
|

Protected Mode mitigated some of the issues
Heatlesssun1 | 04/04/07
|

Vista code
xuniL_z | 04/05/07
|

You must be kidding me
thejynxed@... | 04/28/07
|
Vista Code Signing was also cracked.
olePigeon | 04/04/07
|

And did you read how they did it?
Heatlesssun1 | 04/04/07
|

Vista Code Signing was also cracked this was a beta release Duh
SO.CAL Guy | 04/04/07
|
vista patch
chrisboorer@... | 04/04/07
|
There goes that "Obscurity Myth" nonsense
KaplanMike | 04/04/07
|

Man are you ABMers such simpltons
ye | 04/04/07
|
 
Why???
The Smoking Man | 04/04/07
|

And who EAXCTLY was hit by this exploit?
Heatlesssun1 | 04/04/07
|

There goes that "Obscurity Myth" nonsense
SO.CAL Guy | 04/04/07
|

Try again zealot!!
NonZealot | 04/04/07
|
 
Yoew!!! What spin even from you
MacCanuck | 04/04/07
|
  
Remedial logic help needed
NonZealot | 04/04/07
|
   
OSX MEGA PATCH
yu_forum@... | 05/21/07
|
Wow, didn't see that one comin'
Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 04/04/07
|
Optimist and Pessimist
Knorthern Knight | 04/04/07
|
Yes, BSOD, Unspecified Error,
galileon | 04/04/07
|
Cursor flaw gives Vista security a black eye, and we give a bloody nose
Linux User 147560 | 04/04/07
|

Fall from the mountain??
tgschmidt | 04/04/07
|

So, you are saying Mozilla also copied
xuniL_z | 04/04/07
|
 
Nope, you are attempting to put meaning to my post
Linux User 147560 | 04/04/07
|
 
Windows applications use MS API
miyojim | 04/04/07
|
 
Remedial reading course recommended
DNSB | 04/10/07
|
Cursor flaw gives Vista security a black eye, and we give a bloody nose
Linux User 147560 | 04/04/07
|

Perhaps you are not the perfect
xuniL_z | 04/04/07
|

Memory leak and other bugs.
miyojim | 04/04/07
|
If anything, this is vindication for Vista
NonZealot | 04/04/07
|
Scratch?
fakiest | 04/04/07
|

Oh brother!
RocketEater | 04/04/07
|
 
TCP/IP stack was re-written
yu_forum@... | 05/21/07
|
running around in circles
code_Warrior | 04/04/07
|
A Hotfix for the Patch! LOL!
OButterball | 04/04/07
|

Damned if they do, damend if they don't.
ye | 04/04/07
|
 
Nope, they need to start using an OS whose fixes don't break the fixes.
OButterball | 04/04/07
|
  
And which OS would that be?
ye | 04/04/07
|
   
Ever hear of the Automatic Update feature, ye?
OButterball | 04/04/07
|
    
Sure have and...
ye | 04/04/07
|
     
Don't know much about it though, do ya?
OButterball | 04/04/07
|
     
Apparently more than you because my clients don't...
ye | 04/04/07
|
     
So, yer clients never have to result to running as Administrator?
OButterball | 04/04/07
|
     
Why run as admin?
NonZealot | 04/04/07
|
     
Caught you...
ye | 04/04/07
|
     
Nonzealot, obviously, you've never run Autodesk Civil 3D ...
OButterball | 04/04/07
|
    
Uh, ye? I AM their consultant.
OButterball | 04/04/07
|
   
Huh???
The Smoking Man | 04/04/07
|

RealTek's fault
PB_z | 04/04/07
|
 
RealTek's Fault?
OButterball | 04/04/07
|
  
That depends on...
ye | 04/04/07
|
   
Notice the dancing you have to do?
OButterball | 04/04/07
|
    
Not trying to blame anyone. Just...
ye | 04/04/07
|
     
Of course not, noooo, you're not, ...
OButterball | 04/04/07
|
     
Nice strawman but I clearly said "That depends..."
ye | 04/04/07
|
     
I'm the one jumping on RealTek
PB_z | 04/04/07
|
     
PB_z, You're blaming Realtek for software bloat?
OButterball | 04/04/07
|
     
Talk about steering the subject away... (NT)
PB_z | 04/04/07
|
     
Hey, ye, I'M taking this stuff too seriously?
OButterball | 04/04/07
|
     
"That depends"? Ye, ya gotta be kidding me.
OButterball | 04/04/07
|
  
Use bad programming techniques at your own risk
PB_z | 04/04/07
|
   
Here's something YOU should google:
OButterball | 04/04/07
|
    
It looks to me that he has more knowledge about this...
ye | 04/04/07
|
     
I've gone through the same troubleshooting ...
OButterball | 04/04/07
|
     
I don't think you know ANYTHING about how Windows loads DLLs
PB_z | 04/05/07
|
Vista, I'm sure it's a great OP, but nothing is perfect.
MTPromises | 04/04/07
|
Vista, I'm sure it's a great OP, but nothing is perfect.
MTPromises | 04/04/07
|

Brave MTPpromises
Gate crasher | 04/04/07
|
 
Not quite
NonZealot | 04/04/07
|
  
Professional Video
Spoon Jabber | 04/05/07
|
   
brave and foolhardy
yu_forum@... | 05/21/07
|
SO THE BASIC IDEA OF SOFTWARE IN HARDWARE IS FLAWED
BALTHOR | 04/04/07
|
who cares?!
JABBER_WOLF | 04/04/07
|
MS-Windows is a little baby
cls@... | 04/04/07
|

MS-Windows is a little baby ??????????
SO.CAL Guy | 04/06/07
|
 
is all i can say
yu_forum@... | 05/21/07
|
Patches
puppadave | 04/04/07
|
Are they on drugs
Gate crasher | 04/04/07
|
Windows is hacked because it guards the castle
Compute_This | 04/04/07
|

Bad example.
The Smoking Man | 04/04/07
|
Not a problem
sparky10020@... | 04/04/07
|
Like a Broken Rubber
Sowhatsupyouranus@... | 04/04/07
|
Bad Coding - More Buffer Overflows
willm@... | 04/04/07
|

One More Thing...
willm@... | 04/04/07
|
 
Hah, malloc!
miyojim | 04/04/07
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memory leaks
yu_forum@... | 05/21/07
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I support my assertion
willm@... | 04/04/07
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Playability of premium content
miyojim | 04/04/07
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Big Surprise
wizardb@... | 04/04/07
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Too True ....
The Smoking Man | 04/04/07
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early days of XP
yu_forum@... | 05/21/07
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Yep, Vista is dead, go with an OS that has no issues
Boot_Agnostic | 04/05/07
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Skynet!
Spoon Jabber | 04/05/07
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Yep, Vista is dead, go with an OS that has no issues Very well said
SO.CAL Guy | 04/06/07
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Wrong
mlambert890@... | 04/05/07
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Each to their own
euan.johnstone@... | 04/05/07
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...Oh come on now
waterhzrd | 04/05/07
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Gates Comments
Enorton42@... | 04/05/07
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Gates Comments
Enorton42@... | 04/05/07
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We have and will be sold a leaky ship(.).
moses_z | 04/06/07
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No doubt; is ANYone buying Zunes?
cornfreak | 04/06/07
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No acks has one
Spoon Jabber | 04/06/07
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Oops, reply to cornfreak ^ (NT)
Spoon Jabber | 04/06/07
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personal attacks
yu_forum@... | 05/21/07
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lol
xuniL_z | 04/06/07
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Firefox? o.O
Gazok | 04/09/07
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