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By Liam Tung, ZDNet Australia
Posted on ZDNet News: May 21, 2008 5:41:27 AM

Companies are wasting money on security processes--such as applying patches and using antivirus software--which just don't work, according to Cisco's chief security officer John Stewart.

Speaking at the AusCERT 2008 conference in the Gold Coast yesterday, Stewart said the malware industry is moving faster than the security industry, making it impossible for users to remain secure.

"If patching and antivirus is where I spend my money, and I'm still getting infected and I still have to clean up computers and I still need to reload them and still have to recover the user's data and I still have to reinstall it, the entire cost equation of that is a waste.

"It's completely wasted money," Stewart told delegates. He said infections have become so common that most companies have learned to live with them.

"There are too many companies in the world that actually believe infection is just a cost of doing business and are getting used to doing it--as opposed to stopping it completely. That's dangerous," he said.

A better way of dealing with the unknown is to use whitelists--where only authorized or approved software can execute, said Stewart. "I'm sick of blacklisted stuff. I've got to go for whitelisted stuff--I know what that is because I put it there," he said. Security software vendors did not agree.

Gavin Struthers, regional director for McAfee Australia and New Zealand, said that although installing antivirus and updating patches are not a perfect solution, they certainly aren't a waste.

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RE: Antivirus is 'completely wasted money': Cisco CSO
one good OS that everyone hated but easy to maintain is DOS....a virus can be detected right away...and you can monitor all your files by just comparng their sizes from the original.....no need of a good expensive AV... (Read the rest)
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A better way to deal with it ...  mrlinux | 05/21/08
Which operating systems would those be?  ye | 05/21/08
Safer Operating Systems  DrBrianM | 05/21/08
For now  daMan25 | 05/21/08
I encourage you to learn  rarsa | 05/21/08
Please, please, please, puuullleeeaaasssseee!  ye | 05/21/08
Too easy...  T1Oracle | 05/21/08
Sorry but you'll have to do better:  ye | 05/21/08
Come on, Mr. Gates, a.k.a ye  Aragorn_z | 05/22/08
@Aragorn_z: I keep asking the same question because...  ye | 05/22/08
And your investigation presents what data?  flyingbuick | 05/21/08
Right...  glashoppah | 05/21/08
I think that title belonged to sendmail for quite some time.  ye | 05/21/08
He didn't say "safer". He said "less vulnerable".  ye | 05/21/08
It'd be best for you...  glashoppah | 05/21/08
That is not true  GuidingLight | 05/22/08
Ever tried OpenBSD?  davidr69 | 05/21/08
Sure have. My original question stands.  ye | 05/21/08
Less vulnerable vs. Safer  TucsonGuy | 05/21/08
Vulnerabilities exist whether anyone targets the platform...  ye | 05/21/08
Types of Security Problems  slaskoske | 05/22/08
Does it really matter WHY...  arminw | 05/21/08
Yes, if you actually expect a problem to be fixed.  ye | 05/22/08
There are no safer operating systems  Lerianis | 05/22/08
Gimme a BREAK!  howard.blake@... | 05/21/08
So true...  glashoppah | 05/21/08
you called?  GiMMeABreak | 05/23/08
REALLY?  NHMtnMan | 05/21/08
Wow. the first post is nothing but a Troll!  GuidingLight | 05/22/08
Very impartial response...  GetReal-mac.com | 05/23/08
BUYING antivirus is a waste of time  kcredden2 | 05/21/08
Not worthless, but shouldn't be bloated  Norcross | 05/21/08
Totally agree  cmosentine | 05/21/08
Medical Practice problems  TucsonGuy | 05/21/08
Yes SoftDent is a security nightmare!  frankinks | 05/21/08
Sounds like they need different software. NT  ThereThere | 05/22/08
Dental Software...  randysmith@... | 05/22/08
RE: Antivirus is 'completely wasted money': Cisco CSO  rmlounsbury@... | 05/21/08
Antivirus Wasted Money!  brotherjim01@... | 05/21/08
If I was an IT...  Drakaran | 05/21/08
Give them a day off...  ThereThere | 05/22/08
Using virtual machines is the only practical solution  progon | 05/21/08
I wouldn't count on that  Drakaran | 05/21/08
I would say, "Windows is wasted money". Switch to Linux!  xunil skcor | 05/21/08
Why?  ceward_z | 05/21/08
if IBM sells it, on a mainframe, it's clearly not that buggy.  shryko | 05/21/08
Are you so sure?  slaskoske | 05/22/08
Good question  davidr69 | 05/21/08
Let's not single out 1 pot  flyingbuick | 05/21/08
Well, I think the "no brainer" part  GuidingLight | 05/22/08
What happens when Linux is 80% market?  randysmith@... | 05/22/08
How about SELinux?  davidr69 | 05/21/08
Likely not an option for the "average" user.  ye | 05/21/08
RE: Antivirus is 'completely wasted money': Cisco CSO  Timpraetor | 05/21/08
RE: Antivirus vs. Whitelist  david.swift@... | 05/21/08
RE: Antivirus is 'completely wasted money': Cisco CSO  kbulenda@... | 05/21/08
not even white hat or black hat, Just OLD HAT  topsecret@... | 05/21/08
Great Windows Security Solution...  Gabriel Kent | 05/21/08
AV not needed?  pwood57@... | 05/21/08
No AV software is 100%  Drakaran | 05/26/08
Norton is the worst of the useless anti NOTHING software.  okc_rn@... | 05/21/08
Vundo....  sframberger@... | 05/22/08
If it's such an ugly infection  Lerianis | 05/22/08
Antivirus is maybe a wasted money'  troubled241 | 05/22/08
Use POSIX OS, Port blocking a good Magic Box a VM and forget about it  pla777@... | 05/22/08
RE: Antivirus is 'completely wasted money': Cisco CSO  ThereThere | 05/22/08
RE: Antivirus is 'completely wasted money': Cisco CSO  dingers412@... | 05/22/08
There's a huge flaw in this argument  D. W. Bierbaum | 05/22/08
I'll be blunt  Lerianis | 05/22/08
Are white-lists really the answer?  Hameiri | 05/22/08
RE: Antivirus is 'completely wasted money': Cisco CSO  dcolbert@... | 05/22/08
RE: Antivirus is 'completely wasted money': Cisco CSO  baylors | 05/22/08
We run a proxy server...  bjbrock | 05/22/08
Much better to sue ....  milton@... | 05/23/08
RE: Antivirus is 'completely wasted money': Cisco CSO  sediza@... | 09/06/09

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