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By Ina Fried, News.com
Posted on ZDNet News: Mar 10, 2006 2:25:00 AM

SAN FRANCISCO--Hoping your Intel Mac will easily run Windows Vista?

Don't bet on it, one Apple Computer engineer said Thursday.

One of the big obstacles is that although both the Macintosh OS and Windows now use Intel chips, the two operating systems have different ways of booting up.

Mac fans have held out considerable hope that the next version of Windows would be easier to load on Macs than Windows XP, because like Mac OS X, Vista will use Extensible Firmware Interface (EFI) to aid the boot process. Older versions of Windows have used Basic Input Output System (BIOS).

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However, Apple Senior Software Architect Cameron Esfahani said that his understanding is that only 64-bit versions of Vista will support EFI. To this point, all of the Intel Macs have used 32-bit chips.

"I don't think so" he said, when asked whether Intel Macs should easily run Vista. Esfahani was speaking at the Intel Developer Forum here--to a packed room despite the session being the last of the conference.

In addition, while EFI has prospects for supporting many older types of software and hardware, Apple has not included much of that "legacy" code in its EFI implementation.

"Windows is a legacy OS," he said to laughter and applause from the crowd. "We don't have legacy support."

Ever since Apple released the first Intel Macs--and even before--enthusiasts have been trying to get both the Mac OS running on non-Apple machines and Windows booting on Intel Macs. Both tasks have proved thorny, with myriad issues both legal and technical that must be overcome.

Apple has said that it won't stop Mac owners from running, or trying to run, Windows on their Macs, but it has said it is not supporting such efforts, a point Esfahani's talk made all the more clear. On the other hand, Apple has taken steps to prohibit people running Mac OS X on anything other than Apple's own hardware.

Apple announced last June that it would move the entire Mac product line to Intel-based chips. The first Intel Macs, a revamped iMac and the MacBook Pro laptop debuted in January. Earlier this month, Apple added an Intel-based Mac Mini.

In more bad news for the Vista-on-Mac crowd, Microsoft reportedly told another IDF session on Thursday that the initial release of Vista won't be supporting EFI at all.

APCmag.com reported that a Microsoft panelist told IDF attendees that EFI support won't be coming until some later release of Vista.

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Tic, What will be left?
"APCmag.com reported that a Microsoft panelist told IDF attendees
that EFI support won't be coming until some later release of Vista."

This is the real story. But don't want to upset the ZDNet overlords
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Posted by: Richard Flude Posted on: 03/13/06 You are currently: Logged In | Log out
Um... A_Pickle   | 03/10/06
Does that mean that later versions of Windows WILL work? Laff   | 03/10/06
What a surprise... John Zern   | 03/10/06
Since "Virtual PC" emulates the processor on a G$ or G% Laff   | 03/10/06
How would you boot it? ShadeTree   | 03/10/06
I would assume that OSX is already booted up and from there Laff   | 03/10/06
There in lies the rub. ShadeTree   | 03/10/06
Not with VPC for Macs Ken_z   | 03/10/06
More than VPC tic swayback   | 03/10/06
if they did it right... doh123   | 03/10/06
See my other post... ShadeTree   | 03/10/06
"the module" doh123   | 03/10/06
and.. doh123   | 03/10/06
It would be advantageous of Apple to allow WindowsXP Prognosticator   | 03/10/06
Why bother voska   | 03/10/06
Some of us have to Ken_z   | 03/10/06
Doubt it Kid Icarus   | 03/10/06
You're full of it. Immanuel Tranz-Mischen   | 03/10/06
Wait until you get a load of VMWare. Immanuel Tranz-Mischen   | 03/10/06
Who would do that? GoPower   | 03/10/06
Better? itpro_z   | 03/10/06
Yeah, way better. GoPower   | 03/10/06
There is a good resale price on PCs too voska   | 03/13/06
I wish that were true. Immanuel Tranz-Mischen   | 03/10/06
Choice itpro_z   | 03/11/06
Stupidity Immanuel Tranz-Mischen   | 03/12/06
Author and Apple's Esfahani need to learn more ... ShadeTree   | 03/10/06
Another feature dropped tic swayback   | 03/10/06
Waiting for the reply but ... ShadeTree   | 03/10/06
Tic, What will be left? Richard Flude   | 03/13/06
"... some later release of Vista." Anton Philidor   | 03/10/06
No EFI for Vista? Harry Bardal   | 03/10/06
Now that's funny Patrick Jones   | 03/10/06
Hey sometimes one needs a good kick in the pants to Laff   | 03/10/06
Yes, having no better alternative... Anton Philidor   | 03/10/06
Absolutely tic swayback   | 03/10/06
Can I get an......AHMEN!?! Yes Brother Tic has shown Laff   | 03/10/06
tic, are you sure you want... Anton Philidor   | 03/10/06
Though, admittedly, there was a later time when... Anton Philidor   | 03/10/06
My kind of gal!!!! Laff   | 03/10/06
You know what they say.... tic swayback   | 03/10/06
I got torn apart in the woods just last week Immanuel Tranz-Mischen   | 03/10/06
If that ever happens... Immanuel Tranz-Mischen   | 03/10/06
You imagine? Immanuel Tranz-Mischen   | 03/10/06
Virtualization is the way to go tic swayback   | 03/10/06
Nice convenient excuse.... Feldwebel Wolfenstool   | 03/10/06
True tic swayback   | 03/10/06
Oh, they don't need an excuse for that. Immanuel Tranz-Mischen   | 03/10/06
Much Ado about Nothing wmduncan   | 03/11/06

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