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By John G. Spooner
Posted on ZDNet News: Jan 27, 2005 12:00:00 PM

Apple Computer isn't the only company with big hopes for small computers.

Rival PC makers are hoping Apple's newly minted Mac Mini, which went on sale last Saturday, helps shift consumer tastes to smaller desktops at a time when most people associate "little" with laptops.

"I love the product. I think it's beautiful," said Tom Anderson, vice president of marketing for the Consumer PC Global Business Unit at Hewlett-Packard. "If it started a trend of small (desktops)...I'd be very happy about that. It would be a reason for someone to consider a desktop."

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Windows PC makers are closely following consumer interest in Apple's Mac Mini and hoping to piggyback on the product's success if sales soar.

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Big-name PC makers such as HP have so far had little success with small desktops, but the tiny Apple could well create enough buzz to spark new interest among consumers, some executives said.

Most buyers tend to purchase PCs based more on price and quality of technical support than on design, analysts said. Yet executives such as HP's Anderson see a market for unobtrusive desktops that consumers would purchase as second or third computers and use in settings such as kitchens, where large desktops are impractical. Such PCs would have to be small and able to blend in, considerations that would likely prove more important than the number of CD drives the desktops could incorporate.

Anderson and others said they believe miniature desktops will eventually take off in the United States and Europe, as they have in Asia.

Though mini PCs have primarily caught on at business call centers and among enthusiasts who build their own machines, buyers have opened their wallets for small desktops from companies such as Shuttle and Little PC. Touchdown Industries even appeals to sports fans with a tiny machine that fits inside a football helmet. Meanwhile, some consumers have reported interest in using the Mac Mini for home entertainment, while others envision it providing Internet access in living rooms and kitchens.

CNET News.com reader Doran Else said he wants to purchase a Mac Mini to eliminate the need for regular Windows updates. If the first Mini serves him well, he said, he'd like to add a second one so he can access the Internet in his kitchen.

But minis will face a formidable challenge in the thriving portable market.

Although the trend isn't expected to last forever, growth in unit sales of notebook PCs at retail has outpaced that of desktops for some time. During the 2004 holiday season alone, retail sales of notebooks in the United States leaped 26 percent, preliminary data from The NPD Group shows. Moreover, unit sales growth in the $1,000 notebook category corresponded with slower sales in the $600 to $1,000 desktop PC category, said Steve Baker, an analyst with NPD.

"People who are adding to their home inventory (of PCs) are going to want something different," Baker said. "Most people don't have two great big TVs. They've usually got one big one and the kids might have one and maybe there's a 13-inch in the kitchen. People try to fit the value to the task that product is going to perform. I think more and more you'll see PCs have that effect."

The diminutive Mac arrives at a time when most Windows-based desktop machines offer the same basic elements, including at least two 5.25-inch bays for CD or DVD drives, a floppy drive, a series of front-mounted ports for headphones and other peripherals, as well as a memory card reader. Currently, designing a desktop has more to do with choosing parts to hit a specific price than creating a thing of beauty.

But a movement to miniature desktops would elevate the importance of design as a factor in a model's success or failure, compelling PC makers to rely on elements other than price to make their machines stand out amid rival miniature PCs and inexpensive notebooks.

Large manufacturers have already been studying the role of the small desktop. HP, for example, has been considering taking another shot at offering a small desktop, Anderson said.

The PC maker launched the small ePC, a product aimed mainly at businesses, in 2000. It was retired after HP acquired Compaq Computer in May 2002.

"We've made no commitments to do it again, but we're looking at it," Anderson said.

Dell already offers a small desktop for consumers. The company's Dimension 4700C, which came out last fall, is significantly smaller than Dell's standard Dimension 4700 mini tower. The 4700C offers the same basic components, including a Pentium 4 processor and a CD burner or DVD burner. It costs about $85 to $100 more than the full-size Dimension 4700, which starts at about $749 before rebates and special offers, without a monitor.

Although Dell will continue to offer different PCs in different sizes, the company said small machines come with a catch. Most customers are still looking for something big.

"We've been making small PCs and offering them for quite some time," said Joe Curley, director of product marketing for Dell's Dimension PC line. But "the vast majority of customers--consumers and small and medium businesses--are choosing to buy PCs the way they perceive a PC to be." That, he said, is "a desktop or mini tower that has a couple of industry-standard 5.25-inch bays."

"What we found was, at least at that time (before HP bought Compaq), that people were still concerned about expandability," Anderson said. "It's been an important feature of the PC for the last 20 years, but as the PC has gone mainstream, it's been something that people liked but that they haven't used."

Indeed, people seem to expect their new desktop to offer them the features they want for the lowest possible price. They also expect it to be upgradeable, even if they never actually upgrade. With price and upgradeability at issue, PC makers will have their work cut out for them when launching miniature PCs.

Though the three PC makers would likely take slightly different approaches to future small PCs, they would probably agree on using standard parts. A tinier machine that uses a widely available motherboard, a 3.5-inch hard drive and a full-size 5.25-inch optical drive can be offered for a lower price compared with a standard desktop, they said.

HP found that pricing its small PCs even as little as $50 more than standard machines turned buyers off, Anderson said.

Miniature PCs must also leave out certain things, such as a second optical drive, a floppy drive or the absolute fastest processor. Instead, they might come with a combination CD-burner/DVD drive, memory card readers and midrange processors, making them capable of easily performing tasks such as Internet access or showing video.

Still, PC makers should also be careful to strike the right balance between performance and size, Anderson said. Building in 120GB, 160GB or higher capacity drives, for example, will mean miniature PCs able to match larger machines in storing large numbers of MP3 files or even digital photos.

"We're continuously looking at small form factor (desktops) as a possibility," said Gary Elsasser, vice president of product development at Gateway. But, as a PC maker, "you've got to look at the marketplace and decide what's going to drive the highest amount of volume...and what's going to meet customers' needs. It takes time for customers' perceptions to change, and I don't think (they're) going to change anytime in the immediate future."

Changing consumer taste will amount to a monumental task for the tiny Mini. To date, the vast majority of consumers purchasing Windows desktops have shown little desire for anything other than a standard mini tower. Even stylish, all-in-one machines such as the iMac and the Gateway Profile have sold in small numbers compared with the tens of millions of standard desktops purchased by consumers annually.

But Apple has paved the way before. Take the company's iPod music player, which has changed the way many people listen to music. Although it has yet to be determined whether the Mini will be the product that turns around the entire desktop computer market, the machine has arrived at what could be an opportune time.

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RE: dave95  ShadeTree | 01/27/05
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XPARC certainly played an inspirational role  tic swayback | 01/27/05
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Selective and kneejerk criticism  MacCanuck | 01/27/05
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Innovation is not inventing  voska | 01/28/05
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How about we wait till they publish...  ShadeTree | 01/27/05
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Amazon is not a huge desktop channel...  ShadeTree | 01/27/05
Yeah, but the cultists order immediately and directly from Apple  tic swayback | 01/27/05
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That's a different function  tic swayback | 01/27/05
Re: That's a different function  PA-ITGuy | 01/28/05
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Re Multiple Goals  PA-ITGuy | 01/28/05
But using larger parts wouldn't fit their long term goal  tic swayback | 01/28/05
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Sorry, Wintel machines are overpriced  tic swayback | 01/27/05
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It was indeed a joke  tic swayback | 01/28/05
About the same as ....  ShadeTree | 01/28/05
re: entry level  JakAttak | 01/27/05
Mini is touted as entry level for all  NonZealot | 01/27/05
Yes it does  Linux User 147560 | 01/27/05
Fair enough  NonZealot | 01/27/05
Who is copying who?  ShadeTree | 01/27/05
Copying or improving upon?  tic swayback | 01/27/05
RE: Who is copying who?  JakAttak | 01/27/05
Merely an example...  ShadeTree | 01/27/05
Not invented, just made it better (and cheaper apparently)  tic swayback | 01/27/05
No it doesn't make them rip off artists...  ShadeTree | 01/27/05
I think the problem is  dave95 | 01/27/05
Exactly right Shade, that's why they were innovators in that case  tic swayback | 01/27/05
Try this for innovation  ShadeTree | 01/27/05
Certainly interesting Shade, but...  tic swayback | 01/27/05
So when Apple comes out with a plain jane...  ShadeTree | 01/28/05
Whoa, slow down there buddy  tic swayback | 01/28/05
You just can't admit that people other then Apple make great products!  ShadeTree | 01/28/05
I can admit lots of things  tic swayback | 01/28/05
miniMac innovative?  Joe Blow_z | 01/27/05
Get your facts straight  Joshua53077 | 01/27/05
I hope you're joking...  phorvath2110 | 01/27/05
I bet you pipped up on the iPod as well  Len Rooney | 01/27/05
Either you're uninformed or Trolling  el1jones | 01/27/05
How about a Compaq with a whole lot more!  ShadeTree | 01/27/05
actually it hasn't  hipparchus2000 | 01/27/05
You obviously have no clue!  ShadeTree | 01/27/05
Didn't bother to check the hardware Shade?  bgoss@... | 01/28/05
hipparchus2000 has got it right , good points need to be repeated  johnpall@... | 01/31/05
hipparchus2000 has got it right , SORRY thats was a Compaq  johnpall@... | 01/31/05
not necessarily  mtekk | 01/27/05
not necessarily ,G4 500 more powerful than your PIII 866  johnpall@... | 01/31/05
You're wrong  chill633 | 01/27/05
As it happens every time  theo_durcan | 01/27/05
Sales must be slow  Ken_z | 01/27/05
Yep, been happening for years!  UncleBubba | 01/27/05
Let's not forget the Death Knell Counter  dave95 | 01/27/05
Yeah all those products sold like crazy!  ShadeTree | 01/27/05
Favourite H.L. Mencken quote...  MacCanuck | 01/27/05
How about a pure value comparison  ShadeTree | 01/27/05
Beauty (and value) is in the eye of the beholder...  MacCanuck | 01/28/05
I am happy for you ...  ShadeTree | 01/28/05
As well you should be  MacCanuck | 01/28/05
and have you added up what your paying for all the  johnpall@... | 02/01/05
PC's fly off the shelf at a rate 48 times faster  johnpall@... | 01/31/05
Dell: Beware the Beige-Box Blahs (Read this PC heads)  johnpall@... | 01/31/05
XPC already is here  skw_z | 01/27/05
Cube was here long before  dave95 | 01/27/05
actually the shuttle is massive compared to the mac mini  hipparchus2000 | 01/27/05
Try this one for size  ShadeTree | 01/27/05
I suppose you forgot this "PRICED AROUND 2000 USD " AND ITS VAPOURWARE  hipparchus2000 | 01/27/05
It's released  ShadeTree | 01/27/05
Only out in Japan, sorry  tic swayback | 01/27/05
Can you spell Ebay!  ShadeTree | 01/28/05
Can you spell potential scam  tic swayback | 01/28/05
Actually PayPal guarantees the transaction...  ShadeTree | 01/28/05
I trust PayPal even less...  tic swayback | 01/28/05
Innovative? Yes. Useful? No.  buddhistMonkey | 01/27/05
So when Apple comes out with a plain jane...  ShadeTree | 01/28/05
It is possible to be both innovative and impractical  tic swayback | 01/28/05
I know it is possible I have seen the Apple line!  ShadeTree | 01/28/05
Be more specific  tic swayback | 01/28/05
abject failure  buddhistMonkey | 01/30/05
Assembly required?  loubara | 01/28/05
Of course it will...  BitTwiddler | 01/27/05
Dumbest idea ever!  Roger Ramjet | 01/27/05
So when Apple does it...  ShadeTree | 01/27/05
Not what I meant  Roger Ramjet | 01/27/05
So what you're saying is it might not be for _you_...  BitTwiddler | 01/27/05
Not what I'm saying  Roger Ramjet | 01/28/05
just like laptops, Playstation2s, Playstation3s, Xboxes, Xbox2s  hipparchus2000 | 01/27/05
Non commodities  Roger Ramjet | 01/28/05
Think about it for a sec.  rkadowns | 01/27/05
Non-commodity pricing  Roger Ramjet | 01/28/05
"proprietary peripherals"  rkadowns | 01/28/05
Good Question  Roger Ramjet | 01/31/05
Think about notebooks  j.m.galvin | 01/27/05
No alternatives  Roger Ramjet | 01/28/05
The whole box is the commodity  hipparchus2000 | 01/28/05
Boldata Mini PC  3733thnkr | 01/27/05
Before you plunk down that cash  ShadeTree | 01/27/05
yes go ahead get a big noisy fat PC with absolutely no 3d capability  hipparchus2000 | 01/27/05
Better 3D then the Mini Mac  ShadeTree | 01/27/05
RE: yes go ahead get a big noisy fat PC with absolutely no 3d capability  richdave | 01/28/05
the linked system has integrated SHARED MEMORY video  hipparchus2000 | 01/28/05
Shared memory video is that all that bad  Mectron | 01/31/05
Or there is always  ShadeTree | 01/27/05
and the $2000 vapourware machine  hipparchus2000 | 01/27/05
First of all...  ShadeTree | 01/27/05
They're out, if you live in Japan  tic swayback | 01/27/05
Follow the Link  ShadeTree | 01/28/05
But only follow it if you have faith in your fellow man  tic swayback | 01/28/05
EEWWW...It has windows  LazLong | 01/27/05
Windows unloads and then you can...  ShadeTree | 01/27/05
No Windows Tax, No Refund No way.....  LazLong | 01/27/05
The same price? I think you mean 4X the same price  tic swayback | 01/27/05
If you check the post....  ShadeTree | 01/28/05
By the way a fully loaded Vaio U70 is on Ebay for $500.00(nt)  ShadeTree | 01/28/05
Perhaps but THE point is it is on Ebay and that is NOT  Laff | 01/28/05
Auction starting point...  tic swayback | 01/28/05
RE: EEWWW...It has windows  richdave | 01/28/05
Missing the point... As I said before  LazLong | 01/28/05
Corrections  nucrash | 01/27/05
What next, a PC that's the size of a Palm device  FilledOut | 01/27/05
Been done...  ShadeTree | 01/27/05
edit and write dvds on it can i?  hipparchus2000 | 01/27/05
The Mini MAC doesn't write DVD's...  ShadeTree | 01/27/05
Speaking of ignorance...  MacCanuck | 01/28/05
It's a good sign that you are losing the...  ShadeTree | 01/28/05
Pot, kettle, black  MacCanuck | 01/28/05
if you don't buy the mac mini with it built in,can still use usb/fire drive  hipparchus2000 | 01/28/05
ShadeTree really needs a SHADyTREE as he has been  johnpall@... | 01/31/05
here it is  ShadeTree | 01/27/05
for a mere $2000, and can you buy them in the shops?  hipparchus2000 | 01/27/05
No, you can't, unless you live in Japan  tic swayback | 01/27/05
Or know how to go to Ebay  ShadeTree | 01/28/05
And are very trusting, and have $2400 to spend (nt)  tic swayback | 01/28/05
Actually he is selling it for $500..  ShadeTree | 01/28/05
That's not the final price  tic swayback | 01/28/05
Mini is a copy  rcark01 | 01/27/05
Sheep flock in herds  rkadowns | 01/27/05
lol  rcark01 | 01/27/05
rcark01 is just a greenman (envy) . I mean why exactly is he reading this  hipparchus2000 | 01/27/05
correction  rcark01 | 01/27/05
mini is a copy?  bandaid69 | 01/28/05
This is the most fascinating part of the PC story  mlindl | 01/27/05
RE: This is the most fascinating part of the PC story  raymarc001 | 01/28/05
No offense taken and you make my point  mlindl | 01/29/05
I remember when...  jrniccolls@... | 01/27/05
Thanks Jon,  rkadowns | 01/28/05
Me too....My first computer was a Commodor Vic 20  Laff | 01/28/05
Do you remember...  jrniccolls@... | 01/28/05
Yup...Every time in history has it's period where a  Laff | 01/28/05
Franklin  rkadowns | 01/28/05
Your not OLD your...  jrniccolls@... | 01/28/05
Rode hard and put away wet.....:)  Laff | 01/28/05
Mini PC's? What next?  dofisher | 01/28/05
Amiga 500!!!  Laff | 01/28/05
If you want to take a trip down memory lane...  jrniccolls@... | 01/28/05
Which way do I go.....  raymarc001 | 01/28/05
Follow me!  dave95 | 01/28/05
Stay focused  mactolinux | 01/28/05
can you say PICObtx?  JoeMama_z | 01/28/05
well go ahead and make a PC the size and specification for the price  hipparchus2000 | 01/28/05
Might want to retract that statement....  JoeMama_z | 01/28/05
shuttle is noisy, about 10 times the volume of the mac mini, and ....  hipparchus2000 | 01/28/05
a mac mini is not a shuttle....  JoeMama_z | 01/29/05
"9200 not a lot better?" er actually it is a LOT better (it can do 3d)  hipparchus2000 | 01/29/05
on a pc the 9200....  JoeMama_z | 01/29/05
In fact lets do this....  JoeMama_z | 01/29/05
Windows XP Pro  rkadowns | 01/29/05
hipparchus2000, yes I did....  JoeMama_z | 01/30/05
a mac mini is not a shuttle....PLEASE READ ABOUT COMPARISON  johnpall@... | 01/30/05
what the heck is wrong with you people...  JoeMama_z | 01/30/05
And a MUCH wider selection of viri/worm/addware/spyware!  Laff | 01/31/05
To laff.  JoeMama_z | 01/31/05
Joemama thinks Mac is lacking in software dept  johnpall@... | 01/31/05
i did, read my comparison....  JoeMama_z | 01/31/05
joe m... Where is your software comparison?  MacCanuck | 01/31/05
stupid talkback.... to Joseph  JoeMama_z | 01/31/05
Windoze a joke-OSX a solution  David Wright | 01/29/05
Mac Mini still has superior software bundle  johnpall@... | 01/29/05
STILL WAITING FOR A COMPARISON BY YOU WINBLOWZ HEADS  johnpall@... | 01/30/05
hmmmm well lets see.  JoeMama_z | 01/30/05
joemama does'nt know how to do a proper comparison  johnpall@... | 01/31/05
yeah right....  JoeMama_z | 01/31/05
Cube 1 wasn't an inovation - Cube 2 most certainly isn't  zeusfuse | 01/30/05
I can not understand why you don't get this....  Laff | 01/30/05
Where would Windows apologists be without games  johnpall@... | 01/30/05
only one problem...  JoeMama_z | 01/30/05
correction....  JoeMama_z | 01/30/05
My MS Mouse that I got here at work came with a  Laff | 01/31/05
not not too expensive,  JoeMama_z | 01/31/05
Mac Mini does'nt come w/keyboard/mouse but buying a keyboard & mouse is  johnpall@... | 01/31/05
facts are straight....  JoeMama_z | 01/31/05
Mac keyboards have the advantage of smaller footprint  johnpall@... | 01/31/05
Shuttle 1 wasn't an inovation & Latest Shuttle is'nt Either  johnpall@... | 01/30/05
Give me a break.....  JoeMama_z | 01/30/05
Apple Cube Not extinct ,reborn as Mac Mini.  johnpall@... | 01/31/05
do you know how how much of a fan boy you are?  JoeMama_z | 01/31/05
joemama is slipping, his ability to properly answer posts  johnpall@... | 01/31/05
bite me...  JoeMama_z | 01/31/05
Proud to support a platform that is not constantly attacked by  johnpall@... | 01/31/05
Maybe, but I'm still  FilledOut | 01/30/05
Wanting a big hooking case to hang up my windows IT shoes  johnpall@... | 01/30/05
We'll sorry to see you go  FilledOut | 02/07/05
Mac mini is not a Windows PC replacement  oortizsilva | 01/30/05
Apple + math = 0  Olivier Pilot | 01/31/05
40 inch Teac display w/dvi in Australia is about $2500  johnpall@... | 01/31/05
Laf your right, most people use PC w/Windows  johnpall@... | 02/01/05
Apple Emac  weisgarber | 02/01/05
Car PCs, mini PCs run Linux and windowsXP from manufacturer SD-Omega  andylong333 | 01/28/06

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