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By Ina Fried, News.com
Posted on ZDNet News: Sep 30, 2004 6:33:00 PM

As part of a re-examination, the U.S. Patent Office has issued a preliminary rejection for a patent previously granted to Microsoft for a Windows file format.

The agency ruled that, based on existing inventions at the time, the ideas behind the FAT (File Allocation Table) patent would have been obvious and are therefore not subject to patent. Microsoft now has 90 days to respond to the filing and make its case for why the patent should be upheld.

The Patent Office's ruling, known as an "office action," is not final, since Microsoft has further opportunities to respond before an ultimate decision is made.

"It's just one substantive step in an ongoing process," said Mark Goldstein, a lawyer with the SoCal IP Law Group.

In a statement, the software giant predicted it will eventually prevail: "We understand that this is another step in the long process that assures high levels of patent quality. At this point, we have the opportunity to demonstrate why this file system innovation deserves patent protection and believe that the (patent office) will find these patents valid."

A representative added that the company looks forward to weighing in "with Microsoft's side of the story."

The little-known Public Patent Foundation had been leading the push for a re-examination. There had been concern by that group and others that Microsoft could use the patent to seek royalties from open-source software vendors. In June, the patent office agreed to a re-hearing.

"The Patent Office has simply confirmed what we already knew for some time now--Microsoft's FAT patent is bogus," Daniel Ravicher, executive director of the Public Patent Foundation, said in a statement.

The FAT file format is a common means of storing files not just on computers, but also on removable flash memory cards that are used in digital cameras and other devices. It is also used by the open-source Samba software that lets Linux and Unix computers exchange data with Windows computers, and by Linux to read and write files on Windows hard drives.

Some have worried that Microsoft may claim Linux infringes this or other Microsoft patents and that the software giant could someday seek royalties. Even the requirement of the smallest monetary compensation could threaten Linux which, under the terms of the General Public License, may not be distributed if it contains patented technology that requires royalty payments. Users and distributors of Linux have also faced legal threats from the SCO Group, which charges that the operating system infringes Unix copyrights it claims to hold.

Microsoft is already trying to license the technology to flash drive makers and manufacturers of devices, such as digital cameras, that use FAT. It is unclear how a final ruling could affect that effort, because the patent being re-examined is one of four that Microsoft licenses as part of its FAT file format program. The company also grants license to intellectual property that has not yet been patented, according to its Web site. Microsoft charges 25 cents per device (up to a maximum of $250,000) from makers of products that use the FAT format.

"I hope those companies that chose to take a license from Microsoft for the patent negotiated refund clauses so that they can get their money back," Ravicher said.

Microsoft said its licensing of the FAT technology has continued despite the patent challenge and that the company has signed new licensees beyond Lexar, its first, although Microsoft did not name those companies. A Lexar representative was not immediately available for comment.

Microsoft has been stepping up both its efforts to license its intellectual property as well as moving to file for more patents. Chairman Bill Gates said the company hopes to file 3,000 patent applications this year, up from a little more than 2,000 last year and 1,000 a year as recently as a few years ago.

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---Hmmm, I haven't used Samba but if it's like most UNIX beasts, don't you first have to MOUNT THE DRIVE? You know the FAT based drive...---

No, you do not have to mount anything. Access remote... (Read the rest)
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FAT patent crocd   | 09/30/04
Removing a patent is a long drawn out process. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 09/30/04
Who's trying to remove a patent? Physco Dude   | 09/30/04
Look at the article header Michael Kelly   | 09/30/04
All patents are granted... Physco Dude   | 09/30/04
I forgot to add... Physco Dude   | 09/30/04
Yes, you missed a lot.. d_jedi   | 09/30/04
But didn't Microsoft just apply for a patent... voska   | 09/30/04
It's up to the Director IT_User   | 09/30/04
No, only Micoresoft can appeal. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 09/30/04
Well, actually rule IT_User   | 09/30/04
Re: But didn't Microsoft just apply for a patent... (fix the f*ing forums!) d_jedi   | 10/01/04
Are they removing the patent .. crocd   | 09/30/04
Correct, and that IS a VERY long process. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 09/30/04
incorrect Physco Dude   | 09/30/04
Not appealing, in the formal sense IT_User   | 09/30/04
Please do yourself a favor and read the law. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 09/30/04
This is a public policy question John L. Ries   | 09/30/04
However... Michael Kelly   | 09/30/04
True enough, however... No_Ax_to_Grind   | 09/30/04
Not true in this case... Physco Dude   | 09/30/04
Without a patent IT_User   | 09/30/04
Again, read the law on the matter. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 09/30/04
and OFC neither do yours NAG Always Annoyed   | 10/01/04
Even more ridiculous patents have been justifed by some wresnick   | 10/01/04
MS will have to let this one go, or face Eolas again FilledOut   | 09/30/04
Eolas hasn't "let it go". No_Ax_to_Grind   | 09/30/04
And because they won't let it go... Michael Kelly   | 09/30/04
That may be, however... No_Ax_to_Grind   | 09/30/04
Microsoft is appealing, no Eolas Physco Dude   | 09/30/04
Mixing up the meaning of "appeal" IT_User   | 09/30/04
Bring it on MS, all your patents will be voided! Xunil_Sierutuf   | 09/30/04
Patent office must have gotten your letters FilledOut   | 09/30/04
Bring it on IBM, all your patents will be voided! No_Ax_to_Grind   | 09/30/04
Actually, Ax... Yen_z   | 09/30/04
IBM has many hardware patents that will be unaffected (NT) Update victim   | 10/01/04
When, oh WHEN will ZDNet stop repeating falsehoods Michael Kelly   | 09/30/04
I believe they are talking about Samba running on Windows. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 09/30/04
Samba runs on Windows? Michael Kelly   | 09/30/04
I should have said, a Windows enviornment. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 09/30/04
No, that's not an issue. mobrien_12@...   | 09/30/04
Really? Lets examine that a bit. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 09/30/04
You really don't have a clue about this, do you? B.O.F.H.   | 09/30/04
You failed to answer either question. Why? No_Ax_to_Grind   | 09/30/04
3 things Michael Kelly   | 09/30/04
The Samba guys are 'scared' because ... George Mitchell   | 09/30/04
Ok No_Ax, some answers (simplified just for you!) B.O.F.H.   | 09/30/04
Scared... Patrick Jones   | 09/30/04
Mounting the Drive John L. Ries   | 09/30/04
Ok I'm going to try to explain this. mobrien_12@...   | 09/30/04
no-ax question back to you V Sanders   | 10/01/04
You are so clueless, bitty AmusedAtItAll   | 10/01/04
The panent would have no bearing in such a case Michael Kelly   | 09/30/04
You lack the knowledge here voska   | 09/30/04
Read my above reply. (nt) No_Ax_to_Grind   | 09/30/04
Like I said, you're in over your head voska   | 10/01/04
You really don't understand whayt SaMBa does, do you? B.O.F.H.   | 09/30/04
Samba implments SMB on Unix based systems! B.O.F.H.   | 09/30/04
If the patent is held up... BitTwiddler   | 09/30/04
And effects 95% of users how? No_Ax_to_Grind   | 09/30/04
Maybe not initially Michael Kelly   | 09/30/04
You mean like IE? No_Ax_to_Grind   | 09/30/04
IE is going downhill.. d_jedi   | 09/30/04
Stagnant, yes. Anton Philidor   | 09/30/04
OK, you got me.. d_jedi   | 10/01/04
Free surfer link Anton Philidor   | 10/01/04
Um, not by any reports I've read. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 09/30/04
We read different reports (nt) CobraA1   | 10/01/04
So you're saying IE's market share is increasing? d_jedi   | 10/01/04
Firefox is slowly making inroads Michael Kelly   | 09/30/04
Change "slowly" to "invisibly" (NT) Anton Philidor   | 09/30/04
Not yet IT_User   | 09/30/04
Thee already are PA-ITGuy   | 09/30/04
Not a problem at all .. George Mitchell   | 09/30/04
I said "without having to install any special software" PA-ITGuy   | 10/01/04
'Patent quality'?! Yo Microsoft, try PRODUCT quality HypnoToad   | 09/30/04
This is good CobraA1   | 09/30/04
One of four previously issued FAT patents now in question. Anton Philidor   | 09/30/04
re previously granted to Microsoft for a Windows file format. V Sanders   | 09/30/04
Welcome back, Anton the Microsoft perpetual cheerleader! systemcleaner   | 10/01/04
Mixing up the meaning of "appeal" IT_User   | 09/30/04
Thank you, these folks seem to be without a clue on the process. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 09/30/04
Isn't it a little late to be patenting FAT? John L. Ries   | 09/30/04
Sigh,,, they have had the patents for years. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 09/30/04
How recently were they granted? John L. Ries   | 09/30/04
Now having read the decision... John L. Ries   | 09/30/04
FAT is used in SD and Flash media. B.O.F.H.   | 09/30/04
They are not "doing" the patent, it's been in place. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 09/30/04
This particular patent (5,579,517) has 'been in place' since 1995 George Mitchell   | 09/30/04
Thanx for the info voska   | 10/01/04
learn to read! B.O.F.H.   | 09/30/04
ms fighting this just makes them look bad V Sanders   | 09/30/04
Microsoft is and was always a self-serving monopoly. systemcleaner   | 10/01/04
Most companies who believe they can either FilledOut   | 10/01/04
Patenting the uninnovative michael-t   | 09/30/04
The pertinant facts: George Mitchell   | 09/30/04
Another Republican election ploy? systemcleaner   | 10/01/04
No CobraA1   | 10/01/04
FAT patent - what arrogance tony@...   | 10/01/04
Ban Patents IT_Critic   | 10/01/04
Samba uses a network protocol, not a file format balsover   | 10/01/04

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