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By Ina Fried, News.com
Posted on ZDNet News: Jun 10, 2005 11:00:00 AM

In late-night sessions this week, Apple developers have been getting their first look at how much work they have ahead to convert their programs to run on Intel-based Macs.

After announcing the big shift on Monday, Apple Computer has offered developers an early chance to get their bearings, with labs of Intel-based Macs up and running at its Worldwide Developer Conference in San Francisco. The labs were open until 9 p.m. on Monday and Wednesday and until midnight Tuesday.

And though Apple won't start selling Intel-based Macs to customers until sometime next year, the Mac maker is leasing test machines to developers for $999 starting this month.

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Following Steve Jobs' recent announcement of plans to move the Mac to Intel chips, developers of software for the Mac are getting their first chance to see how much work will be involved in updating their programs.

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For many developers, the move may be less jarring than past transitions, though for some it necessitates a shift to Apple's developer tools.

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Fetch Software president Jim Matthews said his company has been through past transitions, including the mid-'90s shift from Motorola's 68000 family of chips to PowerPC processors and the more recent move from OS 9 to OS X. Matthews said he appreciates the advance notice Apple is giving developers this time around.

"Apple is giving us plenty of time and hardware we can test on, which wasn't the case the last time," Matthews said.

For developers, the amount of work needed to make their code ready for next year's arrival of Intel-based Macs varies considerably. For Mac programs that are fairly new, written after the arrival of Mac OS X in Apple's Cocoa environment, the changes can be made in a matter of hours, or even less in some cases.

"We've already ported our app to Intel," said Wil Shipley, CEO of Delicious Monster Software. "All we had to do was click one button. It took about 40 seconds. It ran perfectly on the sneak-preview Intel Macs here at WWDC."

But for others, the changes will be more complex. For those whose applications were developed prior to Mac OS X and then "carbonized" to run natively in OS X, the work is somewhat more involved. If developers have used Apple's Xcode tools, it is still only a matter of weeks, at most, Apple said. But, if developers used tools from Metrowerks, they must first bring their code over to Apple's tools and then begin the work of tweaking the software for Intel's chips.

Microsoft is among those in that last camp. Both Virtual PC and Office for Mac were developed in Carbon, using tools from Metrowerks. Microsoft said it doesn't know how much work it has ahead of itself.

"That's one of the main things our developers are looking at," said Scott Erickson, group product manager for Microsoft's Macintosh Business Unit. Microsoft has already said it will make future versions of Office run natively on Intel chips, but it has yet to detail plans for Virtual PC, software that allows Windows programs to run on a Mac.

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Developers seem generally upbeat, though. Bare Bones Software has had a team of workers testing code on the Intel machines Apple has made available. CEO Rich Siegel said the early testing largely confirms the belief that the effort needed won't be extraordinary.

"Our initial analysis and prediction of a smooth transition still appears to be accurate, even after a few days of review and analysis," Siegel said in an e-mail interview. "There are some adjustments to be made, but nothing particularly daunting."

One community where there are signs of discontent is the high-end computing market Apple has garnered with Mac OS X. There has been much discussion in recent days on Apple's mailing lists for scientific and technical computing issues about the work those developers face. Many have written optimizations and code that specifically targets the PowerPC's AltiVec instructions.

Though Apple believes that there is not that much work for most developers, Apple Senior Vice President Phil Schiller said the company is trying to be careful not to trivialize the work that needs to be done.

Go to photo: Jobs speaks to developers about the switch

He notes that the work required to take OS 9 applications and make them run natively in OS X, a process known as Carbonization, ended up being tougher than Apple had thought. "That turned out to be more work than we all expected" Schiller said in an interview Monday. "This is not near the (same) effort."

For smaller companies that may not want to invest the time or the $1,000 to rent the Intel system, a company called Advenio has a service in which it will do the necessary porting work. As an indication of the relative time involved, the company is charging a flat $100 fee to create a universal binary of a Cocoa application; the fee for porting a Carbonized program starts at $500 and depends on the amount of work involved.

Fetch Software's Matthews said he is not too worried about the time needed to move applications over to the Intel chips, especially as compared with past transitions. "I think this is probably going to be the least traumatic switch for our software."

Of more concern, though, is what customers do during an uncertain time for the Mac, as Apple tries to continue selling PowerPC-based Macs while laying plans for a day when such machines will be entirely supplanted by Intel machines. "It's going to be fine as long as customers don't freak out, as long as customers don't stop buying Macs," Matthews said.

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Posted by: erdiko@... Posted on: 06/15/05 You are currently: Logged In | Log out
Now I plan to buy a Mac nucrash   | 06/10/05
Your results don't jive with published benchmarks(nt) ShadeTree   | 06/10/05
Last I checked.... nucrash   | 06/10/05
I don't understand all the talk about not buying mlindl   | 06/10/05
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News Break! rkadowns   | 06/10/05
Are you 100% sure about that? Laff   | 06/10/05
The problem IT Scion   | 06/10/05
Buyin ga Mac now could be iffy... jpr75_z   | 06/10/05
How long will ISVs continue to support both platforms? rdwhitti   | 06/10/05
Support yes, quality of support? Maybe tic swayback   | 06/10/05
PPC Macs may work better Ken_z   | 06/10/05
A good argument for buying now tic swayback   | 06/10/05
Altivec rkadowns   | 06/10/05
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Altivec Quandaries JohnRoche   | 06/10/05
Never mind MacOS on Intel... figgle   | 06/10/05
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Linux partition on Mac is the better option for me Prognosticator   | 06/10/05
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WRONG! An_Axe_to_Grind   | 06/11/05
Kunte? itanalyst   | 06/10/05
WRONG!!!! nucrash   | 06/10/05
Obviously you never had to support them escoles@...   | 06/10/05
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Those days you speak of rkadowns   | 06/10/05
Highly integrated software to hardware is a disadvantage. osreinstall   | 06/10/05
Now I've seen.. pierrejvr   | 06/14/05
Daughter went with Dell cpuguru   | 06/10/05
This should be funny tic swayback   | 06/10/05
Someone smart enough to post here... Anton Philidor   | 06/10/05
First time users have a steep learning curve tic swayback   | 06/10/05
Is that true tic? No_Ax_to_Grind   | 06/10/05
Maintenance, not usage tic swayback   | 06/10/05
Yes and no... No_Ax_to_Grind   | 06/10/05
Not that simple tic swayback   | 06/10/05
tic, you've bought some exaggerations. Anton Philidor   | 06/10/05
RE: tic, you've bought some exaggerations. Linux User 147560   | 06/10/05
RE: Yes and no... Linux User 147560   | 06/10/05
Re: Re: Yes and No IT Scion   | 06/10/05
Anton-- tic swayback   | 06/11/05
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re jimk_z   | 06/10/05
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in your world maybe NemesisNL   | 06/10/05
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Intel Macs bhartman24@...   | 06/10/05
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In truth it seems Apple Market share is increasing. Laff   | 06/11/05
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Wanting to be MS? bhartman24@...   | 06/12/05
Perhaps you missed my point. Laff   | 06/12/05
Mini seems to be doing pretty well tic swayback   | 06/12/05
Consumers bhartman24@...   | 06/12/05
Butt how many companies are like Apple anyway? Laff   | 06/13/05
"Surviving" versus "Thriving" tic swayback   | 06/13/05
How that's working out for Apple tic swayback   | 06/12/05
Market Share bhartman24@...   | 06/12/05
Because people are just not going to throw away their Laff   | 06/13/05
Investment in Time and Money bhartman24@...   | 06/13/05
Who cares where they rank. Are they profitable? tic swayback   | 06/13/05
Rank and Profitability bhartman24@...   | 06/13/05
Then how are they doing it now? tic swayback   | 06/13/05
Apple have better build something better ericjonah   | 06/10/05
No, the Xbox is NOT using a PowerPC chip. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 06/10/05
Whatever your arguement is..... ericjonah   | 06/10/05
Not according to this tic swayback   | 06/10/05
Wrong again Bitty Rick_K   | 06/12/05
== Power PC chip was better than x86 ? == g-w-b-is-a-moron   | 06/10/05
The answer is simple... No_Ax_to_Grind   | 06/10/05
== Copper not aluminum == g-w-b-is-a-moron   | 06/10/05
Look at the Pentium "M" specs. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 06/10/05
== Thanks == g-w-b-is-a-moron   | 06/10/05
the trick is.... NemesisNL   | 06/10/05
Still is better! An_Axe_to_Grind   | 06/11/05
Does this open the door for a Mac Clone? enduser_z   | 06/10/05
Re: Mac Clone? JohnRoche   | 06/10/05
I'm not thinking about Apple blessed clones. enduser_z   | 06/10/05
That's an interesting dilemma JohnRoche   | 06/10/05
Might not need to reverse engineer. enduser_z   | 06/10/05
In theory PA-ITGuy   | 06/10/05
I tend to agree... No_Ax_to_Grind   | 06/10/05
So why hasn't it been done already? tic swayback   | 06/10/05
I can't say for sure. enduser_z   | 06/10/05
Hardware costs and no critical mass. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 06/10/05
Lots of Linux jocks with Powerbooks tic swayback   | 06/10/05
It wouldn't just be about Linux users. enduser_z   | 06/10/05
Proof of concept tic swayback   | 06/11/05
My New Imac G-5 joedokes   | 06/10/05
== Not only that, but the first PPC's ran in 6800 mode == g-w-b-is-a-moron   | 06/10/05
Virtual PC doesn't need to be ported, it needs quick re-write morgande   | 06/10/05
Who said they were going 32 bit intel? NemesisNL   | 06/10/05
Well said! An_Axe_to_Grind   | 06/11/05
The faucet is dripping! Rumpled_Foreskin   | 06/11/05
OS X simply destroys Windoze in every way. freekish   | 06/12/05
Market Share mtifo@...   | 06/13/05
In Response to Rick_K: bhartman24@...   | 06/13/05
Just goes to show Steve Jobs is not fool!!! Laff   | 06/13/05
And don't forget the real keys of the deal: tic swayback   | 06/13/05
Microsoft's Bite of the Apple bhartman24@...   | 06/13/05
One problem. Zinoron   | 06/13/05
Apple Hardware Woes bhartman24@...   | 06/13/05
Apple will rule! An_Axe_to_Grind   | 06/13/05
60% alright mactolinux   | 06/13/05
Yum, tastes like chicken! HypnoToad   | 06/13/05
Re: So how are they doing it now? (in response to tic) bhartman24@...   | 06/13/05
The PLAN! yeah! An_Axe_to_Grind   | 06/13/05
I like the way you think! :) bhartman24@...   | 06/13/05
You can't get around it. osreinstall   | 06/13/05
Hardware dongles???? NemesisNL   | 06/14/05
Still thinking you can beat the system. osreinstall   | 06/14/05

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