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By Michael Singer, News.com
Posted on ZDNet News: Aug 4, 2005 10:26:00 PM

Apple Computer fans are upset over a security chip found in a special x86-based PowerMac--a chip designed to prevent people from loading the company's new Intel-centered OS onto non-Apple machines.

Apple supplied the Intel-fitted PowerMac to members of its Apple Developer Connection, a group for software programmers. The PowerMac includes a microcontroller known as the Trusted Platform Module--TPM for short--that contains a digital signature necessary in order to install the Mac OSX operating system onto the box.

An ADC member, who asked not to be identified, confirmed the microcontroller's existence to CNET News.com.

Trusted Platform Module (TPM1.2)
Credit: Infineon Technologies

Representatives of Apple and Intel declined to comment on the inclusion of the TPM chip in the PowerMac.

The ADC source reported being able to install other operating systems like Windows and Linux onto the test box. But it was impossible, the source said, to install software from the DVD containing the Intel-configured Mac OS onto similar x86-based PCs that lacked a TPM.

Some Mac fans disagree with Apple's desire to prevent the loading of its Intel-based OS on non-Mac boxes. Another issue for some is that the TPM could compromise the privacy of users because of the identifying number built into the chip. The technology could also restrict the use of some digital media by enforcing digital rights management technologies.

Reactions on the OSx86 Forum, Slashdot and other fan sites ran the gamut from annoyance to just plain resentment against Apple for joining Microsoft, Advanced Micro Devices, Hewlett-Packard and Lenovo in support of the technology.

"The 'bru ha ha' is that it won't just be the ADC people that have to deal with TPM. Everyone that buys a new Mac will. That's what the big deal is. No one wants to deal with the TPM," said an OSx86 Forum moderator known as Mashugly.

One fan threatened to remove his Apple tattoo should the company include the security chip in its new Macintosh products, which are expected to be on sale by next summer.

Those overly concerned with the issue may have short memories. During the announcement back in June, Apple said its machines would not support other operating systems outside of the Mac OSX, but the company also said it would not be able to prevent underlying software from Microsoft or a Linux distribution from being installed.

Apple is currently transitioning its computers to Intel processors from the PowerPC chips made by IBM. In addition to hardware, Apple is supplying software and other resources as part of its Developer Transition Kit.

A representative with Apple did say that the computers shipped to developers are the same as the one Apple CEO Steve Jobs used during a demo onstage at the company's developer conference in June.

Participating developers received a PowerMac that runs on an Intel D915GUX motherboard powered by a Pentium 4 660 Prescott that reaches top speeds of 3.60GHz, the ADC source said.

The existence of the TPM chip, manufactured by Infineon Technologies, is no guarantee that Apple will be using it in the final Macintosh products shipping next year. But industry analyst Pete Glaskowsky says it is highly likely, considering that Apple has the controller installed now.

"Apple does not want just anybody that has the right Intel motherboard to install the beta version of its software."

Glaskowsky also surmised that Apple developers will come across more surprises as they familiarize themselves with the new Mac architecture.

The ADC source said one welcome surprise was that the combination of Intel chips and the Mac OSX seems to have led to the ability to perform tasks and play games incredibly fast.

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Excellent points
Right on! I've always maintained that the "Mac" experience was
about the OS, and not the hardware. While the heart of Mac is in
the OS in my opinion, we've all got to remember that Apple is a ... (Read the rest)
Posted by: teewinot Posted on: 08/10/05 You are currently: Logged In | Log out
Re: Apple Intel based Macintosh IanX   | 08/04/05
PowerMac ndelc   | 08/04/05
Whatever nikoli   | 08/04/05
thank you mi amigo Jeff Spicoli   | 08/04/05
Ok, Jeff time for your prozac Delmont   | 08/04/05
Hey, thugs are breaking into your house as we speak.. Jeff Spicoli   | 08/04/05
I agree ndelc   | 08/04/05
Welcome back, Jeffero Real World   | 08/05/05
why thank you MJ Jeff Spicoli   | 08/05/05
I say this one doesn't stay here for 5 mins even Protector   | 08/05/05
been chugging along for more than an hour now.. Jeff Spicoli   | 08/05/05
I care a lot ndelc   | 08/04/05
hardware requirements Mr_Dave   | 08/05/05
go back and reread... woot!   | 08/05/05
Are you serious? Jeff Spicoli   | 08/05/05
The general contractor... woot!   | 08/05/05
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaa (nt) NonZealot   | 08/04/05
Smaaaaaack! MacCanuck   | 08/05/05
Oh nooooooooooooo! NonZealot   | 08/05/05
Agreed serpentmage   | 08/05/05
? Protector   | 08/05/05
Criminal act.... Mike Cox   | 08/04/05
re: Criminal act.... higaara   | 08/04/05
No it's just that your skull is waaaay too thick Jeff Spicoli   | 08/04/05
Mike Cox is dead serious nucrash   | 08/04/05
God what a loser! Haven't you heard of Unix & Linux? YuridaMan   | 08/07/05
Hehe NonZealot   | 08/04/05
Microsoft ALREADY has been doing this Jeff Spicoli   | 08/04/05
RE: Hehe crash89   | 08/04/05
I was thinking the very same thing Crestview   | 08/04/05
Big Difference ndelc   | 08/04/05
RE: Big Difference hickum   | 08/05/05
really woot!   | 08/05/05
I'm the pinhead? ndelc   | 08/05/05
Is that all , WOW ! EliteSysUser   | 08/05/05
And? ndelc   | 08/05/05
If Apple value their customer so much... clownside_down   | 08/05/05
So don't buy it ndelc   | 08/05/05
Don't worry I won't clownside_down   | 08/05/05
Re:Don't worry I won't ndelc   | 08/05/05
Re: Re:Don't worry I won't clownside_down   | 08/05/05
Waiting for 2 buttons tic swayback   | 08/06/05
Just wait tic swayback   | 08/05/05
Matter of priority John L. Ries   | 08/05/05
Message has been deleted. EliteSysUser   | 08/04/05
it does Jeff Spicoli   | 08/04/05
Used parts TWRX   | 08/04/05
my only contention.. Jeff Spicoli   | 08/04/05
Your contention is correct ,,, EliteSysUser   | 08/05/05
Apple hardware sux ! nrkmann@...   | 08/05/05
Here are my feelings , my sentiments ,,, EliteSysUser   | 08/05/05
The Mac Experience mustangj36@...   | 08/04/05
Re: Mac Experience jbravo556   | 08/04/05
Hilarious you are.... Crestview   | 08/04/05
This is why Crestview   | 08/04/05
And now for the opposing rumor ... Len Rooney   | 08/04/05
A Word for Discontent Mac Users Harry Bardal   | 08/05/05
What is wrong with you people? Jkirk3279   | 08/08/05
Excellent points teewinot   | 08/10/05
If Apple does ID chips they are TOAST!!! Jeff Spicoli   | 08/04/05
Apple doesn't need to ID the chips Mr_Dave   | 08/05/05
If you mean MAC (not Mac) address... Zinoron   | 08/05/05
plus you could just swap out the nic Jeff Spicoli   | 08/05/05
swap out nic? Mr_Dave   | 08/05/05
ok a big puzzle for mac fan toxicfreak   | 08/04/05
Nonsense complaint georgep_z   | 08/05/05
Heh heh... Grayson Peddie   | 08/05/05
Apple, hardware company or software company? jorwell   | 08/05/05
Wang? yyuko@...   | 08/05/05
The comparison holds jorwell   | 08/05/05
Hardware company, definitely hardware company tic swayback   | 08/05/05
But is that a sound business strategy? jorwell   | 08/05/05
Apparently, yes tic swayback   | 08/05/05
Some facts yyuko@...   | 08/05/05
Mac prices... Zinoron   | 08/05/05
Apple will eat out Unix and Linux Wagadonga   | 08/05/05
Re: Apple will eat out Unix and Linux yyuko@...   | 08/05/05
Oh Yeah ! EliteSysUser   | 08/05/05
Oh Yeah ! nightshade0143   | 08/05/05
Not that I'm advocating OSX or MS OliverSeal   | 08/05/05
Oh Yeah ! EliteSysUser   | 08/05/05
RE:Not that I'm advocating OSX or MS nightshade0143   | 08/05/05
gui & sessions Mr_Dave   | 08/05/05
RE: gui & sessions nightshade0143   | 08/05/05
Oh Wait! clownside_down   | 08/05/05
Oh wait ! EliteSysUser   | 08/05/05
Apple is IS UNIX , they just tweaked the desktop Protector   | 08/05/05
To be more specific tic swayback   | 08/05/05
NeXTStep predates Linux Jkirk3279   | 08/08/05
Apple is UNIX EliteSysUser   | 08/05/05
SCO shut out tic swayback   | 08/06/05
Mac Intel AussieDownUnder   | 08/05/05
You can't get ,mad at a cat fot acting like a cat nightshade0143   | 08/05/05
Mac OS ALWAYS Propietary! cbk_z   | 08/05/05
Wait and see tic swayback   | 08/05/05
lol sp29   | 08/05/05
not legitimately anyway.... OliverSeal   | 08/05/05
pardon, wrong link :) OliverSeal   | 08/05/05
Thats just one way to get OS X to run on a PC EliteSysUser   | 08/05/05
Lemme just finish with this ,,, EliteSysUser   | 08/05/05
Completely Wrong Jkirk3279   | 08/08/05
Are we surprised? John L. Ries   | 08/05/05
I'm not . EliteSysUser   | 08/05/05
Indeed John L. Ries   | 08/05/05
Trusted Platform Module on a PCI Card xkmail   | 08/05/05
Trusted Platform Module on a PCI Card EliteSysUser   | 08/05/05
So they are going through with that fascist technology. HypnoToad   | 08/06/05
And thats the bottom line , cause cold stone programmer man " EliteSysUser   | 08/06/05
Apple IS a proprietary OS and hardware company NOW YuridaMan   | 08/07/05
Surprised at the speed? SDaveley   | 08/09/05

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