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By Richard Thurston, News.com
Posted on ZDNet News: Sep 25, 2006 6:07:00 PM

Munich has started to migrate to Linux on the desktop--a year later than planned.

The local government in the German city has transferred 100 staff members in the Lord Mayor's department to a Debian configuration, and it intends to migrate 80 percent of the city's PCs by mid-2009.

It has not been an easy transition for the government, which first announced its intention to move to Linux in 2003 and which had scheduled the first launch to occur in 2005.

But the project, dubbed LiMux, hit numerous delays after a dispute over software patents, extended contractual negotiations and a 12-month extension to the project's pilot phase.

"The tests are over. We have fixed the bugs and solved some of the problems," Florian Schiessl, deputy chief of the city's Linux project, told CNET News.com sister site ZDNet UK on Monday. "Everything we wanted done for the first release is working at the moment."

Schiessl said it would be impossible to migrate all city workers to open source, but that 80 percent would move across by between late-2008 and mid-2009.

"I don't think that we can (achieve 100 percent migration) because of interdependencies," Schiessl said. "There are business applications which run on Windows and hardware interfaces that need Windows operating systems."

Schiessl plans to migrate another 200 systems by the end of the year.

The migration will happen in either one or two stages, with some of the 14,000 PCs running OpenOffice on Windows as an interim stage. The decision over the use of the interim stage will be taken at a departmental level, Schiessl said.

Microsoft had fought hard to retain the government's business, with CEO Steve Ballmer interrupting a skiing holiday at one point to pay a personal visit to the city's mayor. The software giant also tried to tempt the government with a range of deals and discounts.

Munich was first tempted to open source after an evaluation by IBM and Linux distributor Suse, which is now owned by Novell. Suse eventually lost out in the tender process.

The costs of the project appear to be rising. Total internal and external costs are now expected to be about $44.6 million (35 million euros), up from $38.3 million quoted by the government three years ago.

Schiessl refused to make a comparison: "We do not have a goal to compare total cost of ownership. Microsoft stopped supporting NT 4.0, so we must migrate."

Other local governments across Europe are attempting to make a similar transition to open source.

The city government of Mannheim is using Linux on desktops and servers.

In the U.K., the Birmingham City Council is testing open-source desktops, while the Bristol Council is using StarOffice.

Executives at the local authority in Bergen, Norway, have recently delayed their Linux desktop plans for two years.

Richard Thurston of ZDNet UK reported from London.

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Posted by: Grolan Posted on: 09/29/06 You are currently: Logged In | Log out
Wow, 100 PCs since 2003... No_Ax_to_Grind   | 09/25/06
Wrong... techboy_z   | 09/25/06
I think the term is... techboy_z   | 09/25/06
Not Willful barstewards   | 09/25/06
And y9ou think they walked away from a vested interest? No_Ax_to_Grind   | 09/25/06
i just wanted to say something immature not of this world   | 09/26/06
Zealot Fodder nucrash   | 09/25/06
What's your axe to grind here voska   | 09/25/06
None, just making the point... No_Ax_to_Grind   | 09/25/06
I don't think it's that hard voska   | 09/25/06
Must have been, look how long it took. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 09/25/06
We did 300 seats. OldMarine   | 09/26/06
Pot and the kettle? Suicida|   | 09/25/06
Is Linux planning a deployment? No_Ax_to_Grind   | 09/25/06
Now we know you are FOSAACG Linux User 147560   | 09/25/06
No, for once Bitty is close to correct Confused by religion   | 09/26/06
17 Minutes? BUWAHAHAHH!! LIAR!!! itanalyst   | 09/25/06
Using an imaging tool such as ... ShadeTree   | 09/26/06
So Axey... Sabz5150   | 09/25/06
Simple, how long did it take to set up 100 PCs? No_Ax_to_Grind   | 09/25/06
Do you honestly think it took that long Sabz5150   | 09/25/06
German civil servant joke jorwell   | 09/25/06
You think "Joe Average" is stupid? black-jack   | 09/26/06
Wow, Vista, years late, missing half it's features and way overpriced <NT> Grolan   | 09/29/06
its harder to flush money down the toilet, easier to spend it on Linux defconvegas   | 09/25/06
Their costs are in Euros georgep_z   | 09/25/06
two aspects DemonX   | 09/25/06
They are simply paying the Hrothgar - PCLinuxOS User   | 09/25/06
The cost of 14,000 desktop at 500 US$ is just 7,000.000 don_the_newbie   | 09/25/06
Umm... Linux User 147560   | 09/26/06
$$$$ Hrothgar - PCLinuxOS User   | 09/26/06
RE: its harder to flush money down the toilet, easier to spend it on Linux joe6pack_z   | 09/25/06
It will be tough for the first adopters ... George Mitchell   | 09/25/06
It'll be tough, period. seosamh_z   | 09/25/06
Not a real problem ... George Mitchell   | 09/26/06
"limited lifespan" ? Update victim   | 09/26/06
Good to see them taking their time. No reason to rush things here. DonnieBoy   | 09/25/06
You make it sound like they had a choice John Zern   | 09/25/06
Have you been through a Windows ugrade? IT_User   | 09/25/06
And Solaris as well Boot_Agnostic   | 09/26/06
it's a bit more complicated than that sjaaksken   | 09/25/06
It would be more useful to mention the specific reasons Dr-T   | 09/25/06
I wonder if the commonwealth thinks.... JoeMama_z   | 09/25/06
Munich should stand the course! Linux Geek   | 09/25/06
I disagree ! redtrain65   | 09/25/06
Nice try net-com   | 09/25/06
Depends barstewards   | 09/25/06
RE: Depends Badgered   | 09/25/06
RE: Depends barstewards   | 09/25/06
RE: Depends Badgered   | 09/25/06
Open Office would be the easiest to migrate too. BroGnorik   | 09/25/06
What you don't understand... ju1ce   | 09/26/06
This works great for Munich... jcg_z   | 09/25/06
Not a very nice try zkiwi   | 09/25/06
Nice try, V.I. John Zern   | 09/25/06
Still better than a MSFT refresh Chad_z   | 09/25/06
The original story... seosamh_z   | 09/25/06
Check the exchange rates before citing budget over-runs! Predrag Vasic   | 09/25/06
Yep people get confused... BroGnorik   | 09/25/06
What's REALLY amazing is how everyone John Zern   | 09/25/06
I don't think so the_seb   | 09/26/06
Microsft switched!!! pberry26@...   | 09/25/06
See, the first stop was just a bump in the road Boot_Agnostic   | 09/25/06
Plus migrating on either side has Boot_Agnostic   | 09/26/06
When you consider the license savings that will continue forever, it does DonnieBoy   | 09/25/06
and when you consider support costs that will mount, it does code_Warrior   | 09/25/06
actually phburks   | 09/25/06
OO not the only game in town Hrothgar - PCLinuxOS User   | 09/25/06
Obviously Linux is easy to administer... marksashton   | 09/25/06
And another MS fudster pipes, parroting for billy g Tech II   | 09/25/06
My goodness the_seb   | 09/26/06
Amen JoeyHayes0   | 09/25/06
One by one... Linux User 147560   | 09/25/06
They all fall down! Shelendrea   | 09/25/06
Yeah, I tend to ignore it now Linux User 147560   | 09/25/06
What do you expect... ju1ce   | 09/26/06
Yawn A.Typical Zork   | 09/25/06
Farewell Munich TonyMcS   | 09/25/06
Wow! zkiwi   | 09/25/06
That's right! Linux User 147560   | 09/25/06
The final indignity Anton Philidor   | 09/25/06
No Anton, I bet once they get the 80% Linux User 147560   | 09/26/06
That has to be one of the most... ju1ce   | 09/26/06
Munich fires up Linux at last Loverock Davidson   | 09/26/06
Give it a rest.... shawkins   | 09/26/06
Don't get mad Loverock Davidson   | 09/26/06
And you think it would have been faster migrating to BSD? B.O.F.H.   | 09/26/06
ever migrated 100 PC's ? Or a 1000 ? Or run over 10 servers ? 25_servers   | 09/26/06
No Loverock Davidson   | 09/26/06
Hey, Humpstone! Hrothgar - PCLinuxOS User   | 09/26/06
The most telling line ... mwagner@...  ZDNet | 09/26/06
Re: the most telling line misceng   | 09/26/06
No cost-benefit analysis. Anton Philidor   | 09/26/06
Not necessarily correct.... shawkins   | 09/26/06
Are you the model of the everyday person Boot_Agnostic   | 09/27/06

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