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By Stephen Shankland
Posted on ZDNet News: Dec 6, 2003 2:53:00 AM

IBM won a tactical victory Friday in a legal battle with SCO Group when a judge ordered SCO to show within 30 days the Linux software to which it believes it has rights and to point out where it believes IBM is infringing.

But SCO also said it will open a new copyright infringement claim in its legal attack.

In a hearing in Salt Lake City, Magistrate Judge Brooke Wells required SCO to produce two key batches of information IBM had sought in the case.

In one batch, called Interrogatory No. 12, IBM sought "all source code and other material in Linux...to which plaintiff (SCO) has rights; and the nature of plaintiff's rights." In the second, Interrogatory No. 13,


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Big Blue sought a detailed description of how SCO believes IBM has infringed SCO's rights and whether SCO ever distributed the source code described in Interrogatory No. 12.

The information IBM sought is at the heart of the case, a bold lawsuit SCO began in March that alleges IBM moved technology from Unix to Linux against the terms of its contract with SCO, violating trade secrets in the process. SCO is seeking $3 billion from Big Blue, and is also trying to compel Linux-using corporations to license SCO's Unix. The judge's decision is one of the first moves in a case that will affect not just IBM but also other computing giants including Oracle, Hewlett-Packard, SAP and Dell that have embraced Linux.

IBM in August countersued with four patent violation claims and a defense that charges SCO with violating the terms of the General Public License (GPL) that governs Linux.

In the spring, when SCO first said Unix code had been copied into Linux, Chief Executive Darl McBride told CNET News.com, "We will be happy to show the evidence we have at the appropriate time in a court setting," but thus far the company hasn't done so.

IBM welcomed Wells' decision. "IBM has said all along SCO has failed to show evidence to back its claims. We are very pleased the court has indicated it will compel SCO to finally back up its claims instead of relying on marketplace FUD" (fear, uncertainty and doubt), spokeswoman Trink Guarino said.

With interrogatory No. 12, IBM is essentially seeking to pin down what precisely SCO believes is in Linux that infringes Unix intellectual property. Though it hasn't said so in court, SCO executives in interviews have pointed to Unix technology including read-copy update (RCU), symmetrical multiprocessing (SMP), nonuniform memory access (NUMA) and IBM's Journaled File System (JFS).

Work on that software took place at IBM or a company called Sequent it acquired. SCO doesn't dispute that IBM owns copyrights to that software but does argue that the agreement under which IBM and Sequent licensed Unix prohibit Big Blue from making the software public.

Interrogatory No. 13, in which IBM is trying to find out if SCO distributed Linux software that violates SCO's Unix intellectual property rights, would provide evidence that relates to IBM's counterattack. IBM argues that SCO's distribution of a Linux product means it has agreed to the GPL's terms and therefore given permission to use that particular Unix technology in Linux.

Another charge coming
To the original charges in the case, SCO plans to add a new one: copyright infringement.

SCO's attorneys "decided to notify the court they will be adding (copyright claims) as part of the claims. There will be a new filing on that coming out in the near future," SCO spokesman Blake Stowell said. The attorneys told Wells of the intention on Friday, Stowell said.

SCO wasn't legally permitted to include copyright claims until it resolved a tussle with Novell--which sold much of its Unix intellectual property rights to SCO's predecessor--over who actually held the copyrights. Only in June did SCO unearth the document that showed it had copyrights.

But thus far, its copyright actions have been unusual, said intellectual-property attorney John Ferrell of Carr & Ferrell.

"Since May, SCO has been saying they have proof of copyright violations by IBM and the rest of the Linux community, yet they've provided nothing that's been very convincing," Ferrell said. Without that evidence, SCO's attempt to force Linux-using corporations to license SCO's Unix is weakened, he said. "It seems if you're trying to get people to pay, it's reasonable to show them what the violation is."

SCO and IBM have each filed several motions to try to compel the other side to release information. In a motion Wednesday, IBM criticized SCO for delivering source code to IBM that had been printed on 1 million sheets of paper.

"Knowing full well that IBM would need its source code in electronic form so that proper analyses--such as those SCO itself claims to have performed--could be conducted, SCO instead produced the source code on one million sheets of paper," IBM said in the motion. "The only reason for SCO's production of code on paper was, we believe, to stall the progress of these proceedings while giving the (false) impression of being forthcoming in its discovery responses."

In response to IBM's complaint, Stowell said, "If a company wants code, it's the other party's decision to provide that any way they feel like providing that."

Wells on Friday also scheduled a Jan. 23 hearing to address SCO's concerns that IBM isn't being sufficiently forthcoming, Stowell said. SCO is seeking source code to versions of Unix that IBM has developed and sold.

The attorney representing SCO on Friday was Kevin McBride, whom Stowell said is the SCO CEO's brother.

In other legal action, IBM on Wednesday subpoenaed Sun Microsystems; which recently expanded its Unix license with SCO Group and has a warrant to purchase shares in the company; Schwartz Communications; a public relations firm that represents SCO; and defense contractor Northrop Grumman. IBM spokeswoman Guarino couldn't immediately describe the purpose of the subpoenas.

One Fortune 500 company signed up for SCO's program to buy Unix licenses for running Linux, but Stowell said Northrop Grumman was not that company.

A Northrop Grumman representative declined to comment on the company's legal matters.

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This exchange sounds like two lawyers discussing the merits of their "case". Exactly what will occur in court. And THAT will be the final word -- until the next case.... (Read the rest)
Posted by: tjahn@... Posted on: 12/13/03 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
Judge has conflict of interest!  IT_User | 12/05/03
you sound  JWatson77 | 12/05/03
The Judge Doesn't Care  voska | 12/08/03
Breaking news: SCO sues the Judge!  George Mitchell | 12/08/03
Copyrights have different terms of enforcement  dscherf | 12/05/03
There is no conflict at all  sbj | 12/05/03
You mean no levity allowed?  IT_User | 12/06/03
Levity - a Conflict of Interest?  CAJonesIT | 12/08/03
No  Bill4 | 12/08/03
In the white corner the lean mean IBM team...  Richard Flude | 12/05/03
Fact checker wanted, no experience necessary  Robert Hahn | 12/05/03
Jan 23 is to address IBM's concerns, not SCO's  Tomf@... | 12/06/03
(NT) Finally, a judge with b@lls --- and not in anyone's pocket.  Plain Logic | 12/08/03
SCO: Show the evidence !  Chris.Papoudaris@... | 12/06/03
I think it should also be public information.  DonnieBoy | 12/06/03
Judge to SCO...  Northwolf | 12/08/03
If SCO has something real to present, IBM is in big trouble ?  NemesisNL | 12/08/03
Possible IBM-Trouble  Chris.Papoudaris@... | 12/08/03
SCO, send tho cynics to hell!  pa2004 | 12/06/03
Let's see if I get this...  IT_User | 12/06/03
Are you angry that "the mob" has written a better OS than a billion $ co...  deoren | 12/06/03
Remember...  IT_User | 12/06/03
Well, it is true that Linux would not have advanced without all the help  DonnieBoy | 12/06/03
And therein lies the rub  StorageGuru | 12/08/03
Yes, but where did the source come from???  DonnieBoy | 12/08/03
Hey, I'll side with any mob that can write a decent OS.  FeetCheat | 12/06/03
But..  d_jedi | 12/07/03
IE6 has only crashed once !!!????  NemesisNL | 12/08/03
Microsoft has never written an OS.  Yen_z | 12/06/03
MS buys technology, Linux steals  pa2004 | 12/07/03
How can you steal from yourself???  DonnieBoy | 12/07/03
stealing ????  adecrignis@... | 12/08/03
You're just a font of news, aren't you!  IT_User | 12/07/03
Myths debunked  d_jedi | 12/07/03
I see no need for XP  voska | 12/08/03
Yes, I remember something...  Yen_z | 12/08/03
It may have been the filesystem  jmeola75@... | 12/08/03
More on these points.  Yen_z | 12/08/03
It's even worse than that...  WhoIsDaMan | 12/08/03
Thank you...  Yen_z | 12/08/03
Mob? What mob?  avdp | 12/06/03
Oh, really?  Chad_z | 12/07/03
Err?  Martin Marvinski | 12/07/03
Err? SCO = gaggle of clowns  cf1099 | 12/08/03
You need to stop smoking that MS crack  Rick_K | 12/07/03
SCO, go to hell!  cf1099 | 12/08/03
Cynics and the Hell-bound  CAJonesIT | 12/08/03
SCO Unix is junk  cl_fart | 12/08/03
SCO, send the cynics to hell!  pa2004 | 12/06/03
Linux = Thieves  memuser | 12/06/03
And I thought my mother was a Luddite!  IT_User | 12/06/03
What is the justification of accusing...  FeetCheat | 12/06/03
You're wasting your time  Chad_z | 12/07/03
Nothing  rkadowns | 12/08/03
Luddite isn't really the right word for this guy...  shawkins | 12/08/03
Now theres an intelligent response  AV8TR | 12/06/03
Here's something I think is more appropriate...  FeetCheat | 12/06/03
I think it's more like  Arrg | 12/06/03
Or maybe  Suicida| | 12/07/03
I agree !!!!!!  pyrael | 12/06/03
weak  crabdip | 12/07/03
And you can also hope for...  Yen_z | 12/07/03
If Linux=thieves....  Rick_K | 12/07/03
Where is this defined?  StorageGuru | 12/08/03
I thought the cases were already filed  voska | 12/08/03
Re: I thought the cases were already filed  wadeprater | 12/08/03
personally  ryusen | 12/08/03
Just look at history.  Rick_K | 12/08/03
So GPL Fase is next?  NemesisNL | 12/06/03
The GPL has not been tested, so this will help Linux and Open Source.  DonnieBoy | 12/06/03
So GPL Fase is next?  Robert Hahn | 12/06/03
Excellent presentation  IT_User | 12/06/03
loose-loose for SCO  Suicida| | 12/07/03
Perry says "Incompetent and immateria"!  StorageGuru | 12/08/03
Countersuit  Robert Hahn | 12/08/03
That's just preliminary sparring, Robert  StorageGuru | 12/08/03
1 million pages of code printed on paper  adecrignis@... | 12/08/03
Contracts require parties  StorageGuru | 12/06/03
RE: Contracts require parties  rhavyn | 12/06/03
An additional point:  ryusen | 12/08/03
FUD  Robert Hahn | 12/06/03
Not only, but also  Fred Fredrickson | 12/07/03
Look again, Robert  StorageGuru | 12/08/03
There's a reason it's not called the GP*C*  Robert Crocker | 12/08/03
It's the same thing, Robert  StorageGuru | 12/08/03
Corner. Paint. Stuck.  Robert Hahn | 12/08/03
You oversimplify, Robert  StorageGuru | 12/08/03
as you don't accept the explanations of a licence...  Iain_Peters | 12/08/03
Rather, you obfuscate  Fred Fredrickson | 12/08/03
Under the bridge  Robert Hahn | 12/08/03
errata  tjahn@... | 12/13/03
SCO newest position already condemns itself  BigBearNeza | 12/06/03
Bogus.......All bogus  pyrael | 12/06/03
IBM may have a suprise in store for SCO  nite_w0lf | 12/07/03
IBM is giving SCO enough rope  Rick_K | 12/07/03
Its 'Business' as usual.  zohnco | 12/07/03
Why submit code on paper?  d_jedi | 12/07/03
It's part of the game  StorageGuru | 12/08/03
quit being a retard....  cjules13 | 12/08/03
You are only wishing and hoping  StorageGuru | 12/08/03
of course silly  cjules13 | 12/08/03
*** for tat  wondering13 | 12/08/03
In machine readable format no less  Teran | 12/08/03
Show your cards...  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 12/08/03
The judge is clearing some water  dg mh | 12/08/03
Gates is good  rdreavis@... | 12/08/03
If SCO had a valid claim M$ would buy them  drichards1953 | 12/08/03
If not, who gets the $$ anyway?  roras | 12/08/03
SCOSCO sucpicious behavior  voska | 12/08/03
Exactly  cjules13 | 12/08/03
It's about time!!!  BitTwiddler | 12/08/03
1,000,000 pieces of paper  Eggs Ackley_z | 12/08/03
1,000,000 pieces of paper  Eggs Ackley_z | 12/08/03
Judges seeks definition of idiot...  msdead | 12/08/03
SCO wont show proof, because it doesnt exist!!!  xunil skcor | 12/08/03
How much is M$ paying SCO to attempt to slander the good name of Linux???  xunil skcor | 12/08/03
Maybe they want a license  StorageGuru | 12/08/03
Wait a minute...  BitTwiddler | 12/08/03
Arrest Bill Gates for Funding this Fiasco  brenthawkinsmd | 12/08/03
And the real winners will be...  rmkjr@... | 12/09/03

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