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By Martin LaMonica
Posted on ZDNet News: Dec 22, 2003 5:08:00 PM

Sun Microsystems' top software executive criticized Microsoft's decision to drop older software products that rely on Java software and offered a steep discount on Sun's own desktop software.

In an open letter to customers, Sun executive vice president Jonathan Schwartz said Microsoft's decision to stop distributing older products such as Windows 98 is a deliberate attempt to coerce customers to upgrade to newer software.

"It's a lesson in how a company with legendary market dominance can lose sight of customer priorities and force an unnecessary transition on to a customer base already paralyzed with viruses and security breaches," Schwartz said in the letter, published Thursday.

Schwartz took the opportunity to pitch Sun's own desktop software, which uses Java and runs on Linux, to current Microsoft customers. "Sun Microsystems will agree to match any offer Microsoft puts on the table for desktop software--at 50 percent of Microsoft's quoted offer."

Schwartz took issue with Microsoft's claim that Sun "forced its hand" to stop distributing older products.

In a posting to a Microsoft download site, Microsoft said several products would be phased out because of a settlement reached with Sun in January 2001 regarding the distribution of Windows products that use the Java Virtual Machine, software needed to run programs written with Sun's Java language.

The discontinued products include several popular packages, including Windows 98, Outlook 2000 and SQL Server 7.

Microsoft's distribution of its own Java software is the subject of a long-standing suit against Microsoft, in which Sun succeeded in restricting Microsoft from distributing its own Java virtual machine for Windows. In 2001, the companies reached an agreement, in which Microsoft would stop shipping products that included a Microsoft-written Java virtual machine by January 2004. In October, that deadline was extended to September of next year.

Schwartz claimed that Microsoft did not need to pull the plug on its Java-dependent products so soon.

"The agreement between Sun and Microsoft gives customers a graceful transition path to a future platform," Schwartz said. "Moreover, Sun has offered, and will continue to offer, a license to Java technology that would spare Microsoft any transition whatsoever, so long as Microsoft maintains compatibility."

For its part, a Microsoft representative said Schwartz was being a "tad misleading" in its characterization of the license extension agreement between the two companies.

Under the terms of the court order and the agreement between the two companies, Microsoft only has the right to provide security fixes to certain versions of its Java virtual machine until Sept. 30 of next year, said Tony Goodhew, product manager in Microsoft's developer division who has been involved in the Java court case for six years.

Goodhew also underscored the fact that the court case restricts Microsoft's ability to distribute its own Java software, not the support schedule for its older products.

Microsoft can extend distribution of older Windows products by updating the version of the Java virtual machine or by removing it, Goodhew said. For certain products, Microsoft has elected to rework the embedded Java software, allowing the company to extend distribution beyond the January 2004 cutoff, he said.

But for other products, including the first edition of Windows 98, Microsoft decided to begin phasing out distribution.

"We looked at the list of products, and there are some products, like Windows 98, which are past or right at the end of their product lifecycle. It doesn't make sense to go through the process of rereleasing that code, when it's at the end of its life," Goodhew said.

Microsoft earlier this year announced the support schedule for Windows 98. The company will stop extended support in mid-January and offer only Web-based self-help after that.

For other products' support plans, customers can check Microsoft's support Web site, which includes a page with lifecycle support for Windows-specific products.

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yur right on about not buying any os,not just xp
make these software co, do updates on you current os just pay for a year at a time like linux makes you do for outomated updates instead of having to upgrade all you stuff.... (Read the rest)
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Give it a break...  jimk_z | 12/19/03
Why MS is the bad guy...  prime21 | 12/19/03
Whys should they?  ShadeTree | 12/19/03
Ummm sure...  prime21 | 12/19/03
In a sense Sun did force their hand.  ShadeTree | 12/19/03
all they had to do  ryusen | 12/19/03
All they have to do is!!!  ShadeTree | 12/19/03
re: shade  ryusen | 12/19/03
re: ZZ  BullBuster | 12/19/03
re: BullBuster  ryusen | 12/19/03
Factually wrong; Sun caused this.  Anton Philidor | 12/19/03
Where do you Imagine this stuff?  Don Bradley | 12/22/03
Sun should be happy!  Delaware Boy | 12/19/03
As they say, be carefull what you ask for.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/19/03
Sun didn't ask for this...  prime21 | 12/19/03
Why would they?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/19/03
feed that baby  Rembrandt Pussyhorse | 12/19/03
Ooo, a rant and an insult in same post.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/19/03
Is this a last dittch effort to save face?  nucrash | 12/19/03
MS Extensions  richhayes | 12/23/03
it's not their competitor's product.  ryusen | 12/19/03
It's not? Sun must be surprised.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/19/03
why would they be surprised?  ryusen | 12/19/03
I see you're still grinding that "Ax"  Rick_K | 12/19/03
Why MS is the bad guy...  prime21 | 12/19/03
That may all be true, but...  Michael Kelly | 12/19/03
this is not true  stephen732@... | 12/19/03
They do not...  Michael Kelly | 12/19/03
Yes, Microsoft is meeting Sun's demands  Anton Philidor | 12/19/03
Insightful  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 12/20/03
The case is in court.  Anton Philidor | 12/20/03
Microsoft lost the last two cases.  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 12/20/03
because now that msjava is gone  JWatson77 | 12/21/03
I hate M$...  GRindinAxTaRupy | 12/19/03
yep...  ryusen | 12/19/03
On security, Microsoft said they'd support.  Anton Philidor | 12/19/03
The loophole  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 12/20/03
Why would you say that?  Anton Philidor | 12/20/03
Their track record.  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 12/20/03
forgive my lack of faith, but  ryusen | 12/22/03
just try and find the downoad for it  JWatson77 | 12/20/03
Interesting Whine  Domb2 | 12/19/03
Same forcing as other commercial proprietary companies  FilledOut | 12/19/03
So very true...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/19/03
Folklore say vampires can't see reflections anyway  FilledOut | 12/19/03
you raise them to that plateau?  ryusen | 12/19/03
committing to a contract  tic swayback | 12/19/03
Not true tic...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/19/03
abandon the vm, yes...  ryusen | 12/19/03
Really?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/19/03
re: bit  ryusen | 12/19/03
yeah, but we all know monopolies have different rules  JWatson77 | 12/20/03
MS shills follow cult leader, gates, go beserk  NoB$ | 12/19/03
Like versus Hate  ShadeTree | 12/19/03
made with quality in the USA  stephen732@... | 12/19/03
Made where?  BullBuster | 12/19/03
Toyota-Lexis and Honda-Integra make better cars than Ford or GM just like  MacGeek2121 | 12/22/03
Patriots love freedom, terrorists want to destroy freedom  Rick_K | 12/19/03
not  JWatson77 | 12/20/03
Like Versuse Hate  mrlinux | 12/22/03
Better to upgrade than be stagnet  usapride | 12/19/03
Better to upgrade...good for the economy  MCL_z | 12/19/03
your right usapride  nite_w0lf | 12/19/03
I Switched My School to Lindows  cygnet@... | 12/19/03
Horse hockey! Name the school!!!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/19/03
Don't...  GRindinAxTaRupy | 12/19/03
Learn to post...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/19/03
take  ryusen | 12/19/03
What would you know about it?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/19/03
i know that you do this:  ryusen | 12/19/03
Are you....  Rick_K | 12/19/03
Why?  nucrash | 12/19/03
No one asked you to do anything did they?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/19/03
it is the school of...  stephen732@... | 12/19/03
I know of school that did this too  voska | 12/22/03
I know school that switched  voska | 12/22/03
Why??  NemesisNL | 12/20/03
Bull Carp!! Name your "business"  No_Ax_Has_No_Clue | 12/20/03
I have heard of OpenOffice in schools  JWatson77 | 12/20/03
What did the principal do when he found out?  Anton Philidor | 12/19/03
What COULD the principal do?  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 12/20/03
Governments  Anton Philidor | 12/20/03
Did you make up the rules?  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 12/20/03
No, I've lived them.  Anton Philidor | 12/20/03
So what you're saying is...  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 12/21/03
You two forgot a major point  balsover | 12/22/03
Michael Anthony might know  IT_User | 12/21/03
Keeps the IT sector moving  usapride | 12/19/03
Let's be clear with our terms  IT_User | 12/21/03
To Whom The Bell Tolls  GODRULZ | 12/22/03
Don't understand all these whinners  JJ_z | 12/19/03
Outstanding post!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/19/03
except you missed the point  ryusen | 12/19/03
Odd  JJ_z | 12/19/03
you're miss understanding me  ryusen | 12/19/03
What about other software ?  JJ_z | 12/22/03
it should apply to everythign that's this key  ryusen | 12/22/03
Because...  JJ_z | 12/22/03
re: because  ryusen | 12/23/03
No, you missed his point.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/19/03
huh?  stephen732@... | 12/19/03
do the conditions say...  ryusen | 12/19/03
when somebody  JWatson77 | 12/21/03
No, but it was integrated in a number of their products  balsover | 12/21/03
Sun just wants Microsoft gone  FilledOut | 12/21/03
And good riddance to an old nuisance  GODRULZ | 12/22/03
An opinion of course  FilledOut | 12/23/03
Where's the whinn?  IT_User | 12/21/03
It is not really that difficult folks  Netizen Kane | 12/19/03
of course it makes business sense  ryusen | 12/19/03
That would be useful information.  Anton Philidor | 12/19/03
hmmm  JWatson77 | 12/21/03
Clarification  Netizen Kane | 12/22/03
Absolutely Correct  JimSatterfieldW | 12/22/03
Sun is a 2-faced hypocrit  al.belcher@... | 12/19/03
and what was ms?  JWatson77 | 12/20/03
microsoft has support?  lotta_anger | 12/20/03
I like the idea  JWatson77 | 12/20/03
You can't have it both ways....?!?!  rock06r | 12/20/03
sorry  JWatson77 | 12/21/03
Adapt or become extinct  desiboy | 12/20/03
Sun has a new product line  rock06r | 12/20/03
if some guy 10X your size  JWatson77 | 12/21/03
No, they think...  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 12/21/03
good to see you have  JWatson77 | 12/21/03
we had all kinds of fun with Win2k sp4  JWatson77 | 12/21/03
For most consumers, the only needed Sun  FilledOut | 12/21/03
OH YEA?!?  edb@... | 12/22/03
Daily lockups on XP? I have never seen that  balsover | 12/22/03
No XP lockup probs for me  FilledOut | 12/23/03
Like DOS,NT4, and 95 were any different  Suicida| | 12/22/03
Where does this upgrade control stop?  Quaint_Data | 12/22/03
windows 98 is still the simplest  Quaint_Data | 12/22/03
Huh ? Have you ever really changed more than 1 components on an XP box ?  JJ_z | 12/23/03
There are also several companies who sell AMD/Intel comps  FilledOut | 12/23/03
Java Fix  richhayes | 12/23/03
I use .net Framework!  GraysonPeddie | 12/23/03
and when  JWatson77 | 12/23/03
$un, guess you can't phase out Solaris 2.5 and 2.51  FilledOut | 12/23/03
Instead of buying Windows XP again...  GraysonPeddie | 12/23/03
Oops. I should have replied to a message...  GraysonPeddie | 12/24/03
yur right on about not buying any os,not just xp  driv101 | 08/27/04

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