In my humble opinion...
ShadeTree | 04/16/04
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You are correct IF...
kd5auq | 04/16/04
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You are correct IF...
seosamh_z | 04/16/04
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Where did you get this idea?
tic swayback | 04/16/04
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..which is of no current market value except to squeeze blood out of turnip
hal9000mx | 04/17/04
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MArket value? They just sold a license!!!
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
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So did SCO
tic swayback | 04/17/04
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Grasping at straws now?
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
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You're confusing separate issues
tic swayback | 04/17/04
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Difference is..
d_jedi | 04/17/04
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Not really
tic swayback | 04/17/04
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.. but
d_jedi | 04/17/04
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As much as it pains me...
BitTwiddler | 04/16/04
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Nope, sorry
IT_User | 04/16/04
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A bit of a strawman
tic swayback | 04/16/04
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A bit of a strawman
seosamh_z | 04/16/04
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Isn't that what they're doing?
tic swayback | 04/16/04
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Isn't that what they're doing?
seosamh_z | 04/16/04
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Makes no difference at all.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
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MS versus the USPTO?
tic swayback | 04/17/04
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More to it... Courts will be involved.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
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Not really
IT_User | 04/17/04
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Are you saying there is no appeal?
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
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Again, MS versus the US Government
tic swayback | 04/17/04
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MS v Government
richhayes | 04/17/04
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I agree (to an extent)
d_jedi | 04/17/04
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The basis of the request for re-examination
IT_User | 04/16/04
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Spot on
Fred Fredrickson | 04/17/04
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agreed
jimk_z | 04/16/04
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Patents, copyrights, good; duration BAD
markgros@... | 04/17/04
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what IP?
lotta_anger | 04/19/04
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6 words: "Method of swing on a swing" [nt]
escoles@... | 04/19/04
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Sounds Weak To Me
ballgame | 04/16/04
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Only if the food they are charging you for is not theirs
IT_User | 04/16/04
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Sounds like No_Ax was right
rapson | 04/16/04
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No axe?
OhMyGosh | 04/16/04
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From my understanding they never charged royalities for the use
hal9000mx | 04/17/04
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I don't think cost is the issue.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
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Not so much that No_Ax has been proved right
IT_User | 04/16/04
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good thing
JoeMama_z | 04/16/04
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Huh? How much more right could I have been???
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
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Re-read my post
IT_User | 04/17/04
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So then I am right. Thank you for saying it.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
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Was this license for the sole purpose
IT_User | 04/17/04
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I would say it's 90% of the reason.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
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Will MS really bring a knife
IT_User | 04/17/04
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Hmmm, has MS fought IBM before?
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
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Thank you Carl, but I fear...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
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Perhaps it's because so many open source advocates are so young
hal9000mx | 04/17/04
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I wouldn't argue that a bit.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
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Re: Thank you Carl, but I fear...
gmallen@... | 04/17/04
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Weel, I wondered who the first one would be...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
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Can you show us something from last April?
tic swayback | 04/17/04
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No, but feel free to do it if you want.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
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I can't really be bothered either
tic swayback | 04/17/04
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It doesn't really matter does it.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
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How about "potentially right"
tic swayback | 04/17/04
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Nice, but no.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
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Again, time for you to put up or shut up
tic swayback | 04/17/04
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Actually I remember the topic coming up last year
voska | 04/19/04
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If the licence was free, who'd object?
Robert Carnegie | 04/19/04
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I don't see the problem here
voska | 04/19/04
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Samba? Huh?
Yagotta B. Kidding | 04/16/04
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Ta Yago.
Fred Fredrickson | 04/17/04
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SAMBA impplements SMB/CIFS protocol
oldskool | 04/18/04
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Uh, yeah, Samba
xxyl | 04/19/04
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FAT may have prior art. But NTFS should be safe.
dlu | 04/16/04
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NTFS?
tic swayback | 04/16/04
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A requirement
IT_User | 04/16/04
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Sorry tic, they do exist and I am using them.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
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Whatever
tic swayback | 04/17/04
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WinFS IS NOT a file system!
George Mitchell | 04/17/04
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Hmm.
rkadowns | 04/17/04
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Oracle allows for that too
voska | 04/19/04
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FAT may have prior art. But NTFS should be safe.
hal9000mx | 04/17/04
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Huh, no one uses NTFS???
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
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Actually, that's not all
IT_User | 04/17/04
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ALL PC'S SHOULD USE NTFS
V Sanders | 04/17/04
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Why not?
Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 04/18/04
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re : Huh, no one uses NTFS???
V Sanders | 04/17/04
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That is funny. LOL
rkadowns | 04/17/04
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MS/OSS Cultural Disconnects
escoles@... | 04/19/04
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hogwash - what's so "unique" about Windows in business?
oldskool | 04/19/04
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Any one with a hard drive larger than 2 GB
voska | 04/19/04
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Is NTFS very original though?
reynos | 04/18/04
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Unbelievable
rkadowns | 04/16/04
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Actually
MkIIISupra | 04/16/04
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Patents
hal9000mx | 04/17/04
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Freedom
anilalias | 04/16/04
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Reality
IT_User | 04/16/04
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Unbelieveably slanted story
Spam-ZD | 04/16/04
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Except...
rapson | 04/19/04
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Why do organisations like this have to do the USPTO's job for them
hipparchus2000 | 04/17/04
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That's an excellent question
IT_User | 04/17/04
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M$ watch your back
drichards1953 | 04/17/04
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USPTO
rkadowns | 04/17/04
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Gee, I must have turned the light on for someone.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
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Don't sprain your wrist...
tic swayback | 04/17/04
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You are mistaken...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
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Pitching softballs
tic swayback | 04/17/04
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expensive to "fight" patent? why
hipparchus2000 | 04/17/04
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It's not that simple.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
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Only expensive for MS
tic swayback | 04/17/04
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Their lawyers are free?
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
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"the opposing party"
tic swayback | 04/17/04
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Halfway true.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
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Let me spell it out for you then
tic swayback | 04/17/04
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IP patents as a strategy is stupid from the get go!
oldskool | 04/18/04
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Stops Innovation arguments are bogus!!!
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
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Nothing to do with FAT
rkadowns | 04/17/04
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You are right, it's about WinFS.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
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what would happen if something was gpl's that was needed
V Sanders | 04/17/04
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Not really...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
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FAT's more important than you think
escoles@... | 04/19/04
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SAMBA has nothing to do with FAT
oldskool | 04/19/04
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Wrong
rkadowns | 04/19/04
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Maybe understanding what innovation and invention is might help
voska | 04/19/04
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Stops Innovation arguments are bogus!!!
sruk | 04/12/08
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One of two solutions for free software
George Mitchell | 04/17/04
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I agree 100%
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
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You either don't understand the GPL or you are FUDing
George Mitchell | 04/17/04
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You misunderstand me.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
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i.e. SCO
rkadowns | 04/17/04
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The difference is...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
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You people are just so obtuse.
George Mitchell | 04/17/04
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I see where you went wrong.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
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move along ... enuf hyperbole ... follow da money!
oldskool | 04/18/04
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Just the base is free
voska | 04/19/04
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who's "going to have to change with the market "?
hipparchus2000 | 04/17/04
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Wrong on a number of counts.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
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and how is this ANTI-Linux?
V Sanders | 04/17/04
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Very true...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
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Agreed.
doe_z | 04/17/04
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A moot point
Louis Ross Focke | 04/17/04
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Linus T. says you are wrong.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
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Selective Understanding Strikes Again
escoles@... | 04/19/04
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The REAL story.
doe_z | 04/17/04
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YOu REALLY need a letgal lesson.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
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Why?
doe_z | 04/17/04
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Much, much more to it.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
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Woah.... took it too far....
doe_z | 04/17/04
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No, it's the same.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
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I just don't see the advantage to MS
tic swayback | 04/18/04
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No_Ax has been a busy poster today!
B.O.F.H. | 04/17/04
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What cute little rant, care to discuss the topic.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
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You have been a busy little poster here!
B.O.F.H. | 04/17/04
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And still, nothig relevant to say.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
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some things that I haver concluded from your posts...
B.O.F.H. | 04/18/04
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How is it...
ShadeTree | 04/19/04
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minutes to kill (at most)
B.O.F.H. | 04/19/04
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But why would you want to?
rapson | 04/19/04
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Let me clarify...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
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'open source community'?
B.O.F.H. | 04/17/04
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Yes, all patent holders themselves.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
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Microsoft is not a good company to use as an example.
B.O.F.H. | 04/17/04
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Fair point, but it matters not.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
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well lets see
V Sanders | 04/17/04
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can ms use linux file syetm without having to obey GPL?(NT)
V Sanders | 04/17/04
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Yes.
doe_z | 04/17/04
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so as long as they abey the gpl license
V Sanders | 04/18/04
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Oops, my bad.
doe_z | 04/18/04
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You shouldn't be able to patent software
voska | 04/20/04
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As much as red hat charges
V Sanders | 04/17/04
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by fighting the patent
V Sanders | 04/17/04
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No.
doe_z | 04/17/04
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Not really the way it works.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
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FAT is patented?
michael-t | 04/18/04
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It's showing its age anyways
CobraA1 | 04/18/04
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FAT is still useful.
doe_z | 04/18/04
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For Windows, that is
CobraA1 | 04/18/04
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Huh? For *EVERYTHING* it is.
escoles@... | 04/19/04
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Paradygm shift - soon MS will need to license our computers
oldskool | 04/18/04
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Not quite to zero
CobraA1 | 04/18/04
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Yawn!
ShadeTree | 04/19/04
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Forget about OSS, its economy of scale that changes things
oldskool | 04/19/04
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Incredible logic
ShadeTree | 04/19/04
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I don't pay rent on my DSL modem
voska | 04/19/04
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Well of course group would say that
FilledOut | 04/19/04
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Its not about number of patents, but number of valid patents
oldskool | 04/19/04
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I see some people....
Stewart Cannon | 04/19/04
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Keeping the competition out
tero_t_vaananen@... | 04/19/04
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Not a secret
The-Bytemaster | 04/19/04
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What nobody seems to realize...
Yen_z | 04/19/04
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News on the IT Patent Issue
B.O.F.H. | 04/19/04
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The Purpose of Copyright and Patent Law
dunc@... | 04/21/04
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Group seeks to invalidate Microsoft patent
bigal58@... | 04/22/04
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Consider Microsoft's alternative
dpatjhh | 04/22/04
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RE: Group seeks to invalidate Microsoft patent
sruk | 04/12/08
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