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Posted on ZDNet News: May 20, 2004 6:01:00 PM

A leading free-software group has vowed to fight portions of a request to release information that could help the SCO Group in its legal battle against Linux.

In the latest twist in SCO's closely watched $5 billion lawsuit against IBM, the Free Software Foundation has said it does not plan to turn over certain internal documents and communications with key open-source proponents, as SCO had asked in a subpoena.


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"I'm not going to permit a fishing expedition at the Free Software Foundation from a party that has shown a great deal of hostility to the Free Software Foundation and its community," FSF general counsel Eben Moglen said on Thursday. "We will not produce material that is the subject of attorney-client privilege, and I don't think anybody expects us to."

SCO sent the eight-page subpoena last November, but it was on hold for procedural reasons until April, and the FSF did not publish it on the Web until this week. It asks the nonprofit group for information about e-mail and records of conversations between its staff, FSF founder Richard Stallman and Linux kernel creator Linus Torvalds, about the enforcement of free software licenses and the vetting of source code to ensure it's not intellectual property. The subpoena also requests copies of any contracts or agreements the foundation might have with IBM, Red Hat, SuSE and any other "Linux distributor or company."

Moglen said that he was negotiating with SCO's lawyers and hoped to persuade them to narrow their request. "I will fight if compelled," he said. "I do not expect, at present, not to be able to reach an agreement. But I always expect to be able to reach an agreement with people acting in good faith."

SCO is taking a wait-and-see approach. "We believe their materials have some relevancy to our case. They mention, for example, that they have confidential documents relating to Unix, and we would be really interested in that," SCO spokesman Marc Modersitzki said. He noted, however, that until SCO reviews what the open-source group divulges, it's difficult to predict what role the information might have in its lawsuit against IBM.


Flashback
News.com's related coverage of
SCO’s claims against Linux

SCO sues Big Blue
over Unix, Linux (March 6, 2003)

SCO: Unix code
copied into Linux (May 1, 2003)

SCO targets
Linux customers (May 14, 2003)

Torvalds: What,
me worry? (July 8, 2003)

Red Hat files
suit against SCO
(Aug. 4, 2003)

SCO sets Linux
licensing prices
(Aug. 5, 2003)

SCO attacks open-source
foundation
(Oct. 28, 2004)

Novell offers legal
protection for Linux
(Jan. 13, 2004)

SCO sues Novell
over copyright claims
(Jan. 20, 2004)

SCO suits target
two big Linux users
(March 3, 2004)

Court orders SCO
to show more code
(March 3, 2004)

Document shows SCO
prepped lawsuit
against BofA
(March 4, 2004)

Red Hat seeks to
reawaken SCO case
(April 20, 2004)

AutoZone wants SCO case
put on hold
(April 27, 2004)

DaimlerChrysler: Dismiss
SCO suit
(April 29, 2004)


SCO rattled the computing world in March 2003 when it filed a lawsuit against IBM, a case that has expanded to target AutoZone and DaimlerChrysler as well. SCO, based in Lindon, Utah, claims ownership of key Unix copyrights and alleges IBM moved Unix technology to Linux, thus violating its Unix contract with SCO. The company has since gone on to seek licensing fees from other Linux users.

IBM, however, says it believes it has a perpetual and irrevocable right to use Unix. Founded in 1985, the FSF is dedicated to promoting free software--meaning software that is distributed in an open-source manner under a license that means it must stay open--and is the coordinator of the GNU project. The operating system known as Linux relies on a wealth of GNU components.

"This is a broad subpoena that effectively asks for every single document about the (General Public License) and enforcement of GPL since 1999. They also demand every document and e-mail that we have exchanged with Linus Torvalds, IBM, and other players in the community," Bradley Kuhn, FSF's executive director, said in a letter written Tuesday and published on the organization's Web site. "In many cases, they are asking for information that is confidential communication between us and our lawyers, or between us and our contributors."

The FSF's Kuhn added that as SCO's lawsuit against IBM drags on for more than a year, his organization will have to make some tough decisions on how to answer the SCO subpoena and the potential costs involved if his group fights it. The foundation receives the bulk of its funding in contributions from individuals.

CNET News.com's Stephen Shankland contributed to this report.

A leading free-software group has vowed to fight portions of a request to release information that could help the SCO Group in its legal battle against Linux.

In the latest twist in SCO's closely watched $5 billion lawsuit against IBM, the Free Software Foundation has said it does not plan to turn over certain internal documents and communications with key open-source proponents, as SCO had asked in a subpoena.


Get Up to Speed on...
Open source
Get the latest headlines and
company-specific news in our
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"I'm not going to permit a fishing expedition at the Free Software Foundation from a party that has shown a great deal of hostility to the Free Software Foundation and its community," FSF general counsel Eben Moglen said on Thursday. "We will not produce material that is the subject of attorney-client privilege, and I don't think anybody expects us to."

SCO sent the eight-page subpoena last November, but it was on hold for procedural reasons until April, and the FSF did not publish it on the Web until this week. It asks the nonprofit group for information about e-mail and records of conversations between its staff, FSF founder Richard Stallman and Linux kernel creator Linus Torvalds, about the enforcement of free software licenses and the vetting of source code to ensure it's not intellectual property. The subpoena also requests copies of any contracts or agreements the foundation might have with IBM, Red Hat, SuSE and any other "Linux distributor or company."

Moglen said that he was negotiating with SCO's lawyers and hoped to persuade them to narrow their request. "I will fight if compelled," he said. "I do not expect, at present, not to be able to reach an agreement. But I always expect to be able to reach an agreement with people acting in good faith."

SCO is taking a wait-and-see approach. "We believe their materials have some relevancy to our case. They mention, for example, that they have confidential documents relating to Unix, and we would be really interested in that," SCO spokesman Marc Modersitzki said. He noted, however, that until SCO reviews what the open-source group divulges, it's difficult to predict what role the information might have in its lawsuit against IBM.


Flashback
News.com's related coverage of
SCO’s claims against Linux

SCO sues Big Blue
over Unix, Linux (March 6, 2003)

SCO: Unix code
copied into Linux (May 1, 2003)

SCO targets
Linux customers (May 14, 2003)

Torvalds: What,
me worry? (July 8, 2003)

Red Hat files
suit against SCO
(Aug. 4, 2003)

SCO sets Linux
licensing prices
(Aug. 5, 2003)

SCO attacks open-source
foundation
(Oct. 28, 2004)

Novell offers legal
protection for Linux
(Jan. 13, 2004)

SCO sues Novell
over copyright claims
(Jan. 20, 2004)

SCO suits target
two big Linux users
(March 3, 2004)

Court orders SCO
to show more code
(March 3, 2004)

Document shows SCO
prepped lawsuit
against BofA
(March 4, 2004)

Red Hat seeks to
reawaken SCO case
(April 20, 2004)

AutoZone wants SCO case
put on hold
(April 27, 2004)

DaimlerChrysler: Dismiss
SCO suit
(April 29, 2004)


SCO rattled the computing world in March 2003 when it filed a lawsuit against IBM, a case that has expanded to target AutoZone and DaimlerChrysler as well. SCO, based in Lindon, Utah, claims ownership of key Unix copyrights and alleges IBM moved Unix technology to Linux, thus violating its Unix contract with SCO. The company has since gone on to seek licensing fees from other Linux users.

IBM, however, says it believes it has a perpetual and irrevocable right to use Unix. Founded in 1985, the FSF is dedicated to promoting free software--meaning software that is distributed in an open-source manner under a license that means it must stay open--and is the coordinator of the GNU project. The operating system known as Linux relies on a wealth of GNU components.

"This is a broad subpoena that effectively asks for every single document about the (General Public License) and enforcement of GPL since 1999. They also demand every document and e-mail that we have exchanged with Linus Torvalds, IBM, and other players in the community," Bradley Kuhn, FSF's executive director, said in a letter written Tuesday and published on the organization's Web site. "In many cases, they are asking for information that is confidential communication between us and our lawyers, or between us and our contributors."

The FSF's Kuhn added that as SCO's lawsuit against IBM drags on for more than a year, his organization will have to make some tough decisions on how to answer the SCO subpoena and the potential costs involved if his group fights it. The foundation receives the bulk of its funding in contributions from individuals.

CNET News.com's Stephen Shankland contributed to this report.

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Posted by: LongShipUser Posted on: 05/21/04 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
(NT) Grasping at straws. How sad.  James T. Kirk | 05/20/04
ROTLMAO.. I picture Darl doing a Rodney Dangerfield skit...  Xunil_Sierutuf | 05/20/04
Of course they said no  jdunn_z | 05/20/04
"Forced expenses"?  psuedostratified | 05/20/04
Absolutely  James T. Kirk | 05/20/04
Yeah I would  voska | 05/20/04
Most excellent post!!!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/20/04
BULL.  doe_z | 05/20/04
They are protecting their rights???  IT_User | 05/20/04
Um they are the ones claiming to be "open"...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/20/04
you remember what they claim is open?  ryusen | 05/20/04
Oh, let's look shall we???  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/20/04
what ethical questions are being questioned?  ryusen | 05/20/04
This is dealing with SCO, remember?  IT_User | 05/20/04
software vs correspondence  CobraA1 | 05/20/04
talk about misleading:  ryusen | 05/20/04
Re: talk  issthatso | 05/20/04
or  blahblahblah | 05/21/04
Yeah but this is ZDnet reporting  Albee_Freeoneday | 05/21/04
We have nothing to hide????  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/20/04
EVERYBODY has something to hide  Michael Kelly | 05/20/04
Makes no difference.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/20/04
For someone with 'No Axe to Grind' ...  George Mitchell | 05/20/04
the SCO "support group"  blahblahblah | 05/20/04
They're all just so fishy!  George Mitchell | 05/21/04
N A G  LongShipUser | 05/21/04
Way to go...  wploger | 05/20/04
No, I have a problem with...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/20/04
Oh good lord  wploger | 05/20/04
Pardon me???  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/20/04
And if your knowledge is zero  Iain_Peters | 05/20/04
precisely  blahblahblah | 05/20/04
Hmm...  LongShipUser | 05/21/04
Of course  IT_User | 05/20/04
hmm  blahblahblah | 05/20/04
Excuse me!  George Mitchell | 05/20/04
They have nothing to look for  Robert Crocker | 05/20/04
buying time before the stock totally dies  blahblahblah | 05/21/04
here we go...  blahblahblah | 05/20/04
source open but not the secret dealings  dg mh | 05/20/04
From your lips...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/20/04
cleanliness  blahblahblah | 05/21/04
What is FSF hiding from???  BFD | 05/20/04
I agree, for all the claims of "openness"...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/20/04
FUD mode engaged...  Fred Fredrickson | 05/20/04
"for all the claims.... "  kd4yum@... | 05/20/04
Who doesn't have 'fish in the water'?  George Mitchell | 05/20/04
by that logic  blahblahblah | 05/21/04
or could it be....  ryusen | 05/20/04
So what?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/20/04
then let the court decide...  ryusen | 05/20/04
What are you?  jjon2121 | 05/20/04
Poor Bitty  Fred Fredrickson | 05/21/04
Re: So what? & "I see ZERO difference..."  jezter~ | 05/21/04
This isn't strange.  doe_z | 05/20/04
Oh, shades of Look and Feel!  kd4yum@... | 05/20/04
Looking at the subpoena  Robert Crocker | 05/20/04
Yes  IT_User | 05/20/04
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