My god, what a bunch of bumbline idiots.
DonnieBoy | 06/02/04
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Yes the EU is but they can't help themselves.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/04
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The EU did a great job here, they were patient, nailed em.
DonnieBoy | 06/02/04
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Bull slip!
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/04
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Still, the fine is a drop in the bucket for Microsoft.
DonnieBoy | 06/02/04
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More Bull slip!!!
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/04
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So you are trying to say that the EU is NOT an important market???
DonnieBoy | 06/02/04
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The market (consumer) has nothing to do with it.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/04
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So again, tell us why you care, this is only about Europe.
DonnieBoy | 06/02/04
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No Axe is a bigger liar than dubya (nt)
stephen732@... | 06/02/04
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Puma, what an idiotic statement!
Spoon Jabber | 06/03/04
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and would file a suit against the management team if they didn't!
NemesisNL | 06/03/04
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Further, it's not the fine, it's the political idiots...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/04
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So are you trying to say that they can not remove the media player????
DonnieBoy | 06/02/04
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No, that is your opinion!
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/03/04
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Oh, spagetti code is best?? Forget modules??
DonnieBoy | 06/03/04
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Poor Bitty's ******* in quite a knot...
MacCanuck | 06/03/04
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NWOR
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/03/04
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Run away Bit ... run away...
MacCanuck | 06/03/04
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Speaking of unsubstantiated accusations
Spoon Jabber | 06/03/04
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Defeat snatched from the jaws of victory...
MacCanuck | 06/03/04
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Joseph, that's a little better
Spoon Jabber | 06/03/04
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A remedy is only effective....
NemesisNL | 06/03/04
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It is funny that
michael-t | 06/02/04
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think about it...
ryusen | 06/02/04
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Another BOGUS urban myth.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/04
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Oh, this is great, you install Media Player later, and not the same????
DonnieBoy | 06/02/04
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I and the majority WANT it that way.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/04
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Oops, that's 95% of the people.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/04
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Fascinating demographics
IT_User | 06/02/04
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You may be right, Judge Jackson was an idiot after all.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/04
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Mind digging out the quote?
IT_User | 06/02/04
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Word gam4es for stupid people, find some else to play.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/04
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cute cop out...
ryusen | 06/02/04
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No, just smart enough to evade an idiots game of words.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/04
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You, Ax, are the one that made the statement
IT_User | 06/02/04
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I'll make you a deal IT-User. I will ask.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/04
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IT-User, stop with the word games and answer below.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/04
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re: No, just smart enough to evade an idiots game of words.
ryusen | 06/02/04
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there's a ncie laoded question...
ryusen | 06/02/04
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Ok, I'll change it to this.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/04
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still not good enough,
ryusen | 06/02/04
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Yes, but Microsoft testified that was not a problem.
DonnieBoy | 06/02/04
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Once more just for you.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/03/04
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Sounds like you are agreeing that MS gets a huge advantage bolting it on.
DonnieBoy | 06/03/04
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me too
V Sanders | 06/02/04
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Perpetuated by Microsoft
IT_User | 06/02/04
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And he is 100% correct.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/04
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And just why is that?
IT_User | 06/02/04
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Read slowly now. Loss of functionality.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/04
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Nice evasion
IT_User | 06/02/04
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Yes you evade it nicely.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/04
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Hmm, ya got way off topic
IT_User | 06/02/04
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this comming from the guy who keeps...
ryusen | 06/02/04
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Cal it what you want, it doesn't remove the stench.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/04
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what stench?
ryusen | 06/02/04
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The stench of pirates. (thieves)
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/04
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piratign a free product?
ryusen | 06/02/04
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Why should they?
richhayes | 06/03/04
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Maybe the most important heard by court of first instance.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/04
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Here we go again. All the legal details, drag em through the mud again,
DonnieBoy | 06/02/04
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Drag the EU commision threw the mud, they live in it@!
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/04
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Yes, revenge! Screw yourself, but get revenge.
DonnieBoy | 06/02/04
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Gawd forbid the EU folks deal with so called "legal details".
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/04
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Donnieboy, explain the term "near monopoly" to me.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/04
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While your at it, tell me how a court finds you "near" guilty.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/04
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Hey, I have it.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/04
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So it is not all black and white, just forge the laws???
DonnieBoy | 06/02/04
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WHAT LAW?
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/03/04
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No court case is black and white. You need to evaluate the evidence.
DonnieBoy | 06/03/04
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Evidence against what law?????????
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/03/04
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Are you trying to say they don't have antitrust law in Europe????
DonnieBoy | 06/03/04
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NO NO NO
scifirules@... | 06/03/04
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IT_User, help donnie and explain "near monopoly" to me.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/04
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AX, i read the EU doc, it talked about "dominant position"
oldskool | 06/03/04
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Yes, I know what Monti boy claims.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/03/04
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Bad news. The EC reached the same conclusion
Jay Cash | 06/03/04
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Come on guys, explain it...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/04
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Sounds like it pisses you off that not everything is black and white.
DonnieBoy | 06/02/04
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Laws are printed in "black and white".
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/03/04
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So why do we need a Jury for a murder case??
DonnieBoy | 06/03/04
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Murder is against the law, "near" murder is, who knows what???
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/03/04
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So when is it self defence and when is it murder? Same problem!!
DonnieBoy | 06/03/04
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Hmmm, seems the MS haters have no clue either...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/04
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So why do the European haters even care???
DonnieBoy | 06/02/04
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Very short sighted!
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/03/04
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Look, the EU countries unanimously supported Monti and the decision.
DonnieBoy | 06/03/04
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And I ask you once more, show me the law you are talking about.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/03/04
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The basic idea of the law is very very clear.
DonnieBoy | 06/03/04
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Come on in IT-User, if your not afraid that is.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/04
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Present
IT_User | 06/02/04
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Exactlly the point.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/03/04
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wow.. you really must liek talking to yourself eh?
ryusen | 06/02/04
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No, I like having you follow behind me.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/03/04
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in what? post volume? *heh* (nt)
ryusen | 06/03/04
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Naw, I like seeing your sig "below" mine.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/03/04
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a group of brain dead political rejects
NemesisNL | 06/03/04
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No_Ax, step away from the computer!
B.O.F.H. | 06/02/04
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Why don't you?
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/04
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I notice you didn't explain it either.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/04
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Exactly, whey does he even care, this only effects Europeans!!
DonnieBoy | 06/02/04
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Problem for MS is EU requires disclosure of API specifications
oldskool | 06/03/04
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Hogwash!
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/03/04
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read the EU document ... US DOJ issue does force peering
oldskool | 06/03/04
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Not over yet
Anton Philidor | 06/03/04
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Actually the difference is the focus of EU vs. US antitrust law
oldskool | 06/03/04
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Same problem you don't seem to grasp.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/03/04
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this isn't over yet
V Sanders | 06/02/04
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There is no requirement for MS to sell anything in Europe.
DonnieBoy | 06/02/04
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MS wants to follow the law, but there isn't one!
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/03/04
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Forget the law, stick to contracts ... MS is screwed
oldskool | 06/03/04
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I see where you made your mistake.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/03/04
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my mistake is simply expecting MS to deliver on its potential!
oldskool | 06/03/04
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One more time just for you.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/03/04
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Wow, great stategy, tell the EU their laws do not exist and they're stupid
DonnieBoy | 06/03/04
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No "near monopoly" law exists. If you know of one, show me.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/03/04
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Go read the law if you want. Just like murder, it's NOT black and white
DonnieBoy | 06/04/04
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I agree with DonnieBoy
doe_z | 06/02/04
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As the World Turns...
IT_User | 06/02/04
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I agree with IT_User
Brasonte | 06/03/04
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Why you are dead wrong.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/03/04
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Who is Monti boy?
Jay Cash | 06/03/04
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Stuff that!
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/03/04
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I just might.
doe_z | 06/03/04
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But you miss the real point.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/03/04
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I am not taking sides.
doe_z | 06/03/04
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Boy, this story sure brought out the NBM shills - especially No_Ax
Plain Logic | 06/02/04
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And why do suppose it struck such a nerve? Why do they care?
DonnieBoy | 06/02/04
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Once more donnieboy, this is NOT about consumers.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/03/04
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Buy off?
IT_User | 06/03/04
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Hoes are often bought with fame and fortune.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/03/04
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i complained, but no one listened...
ryusen | 06/03/04
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I don't believe you!
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/03/04
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Misinformation flowing thick and fast.
Anton Philidor | 06/02/04
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And where did those facts come from?
IT_User | 06/02/04
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Yes, a slanted discussion
Anton Philidor | 06/03/04
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Moving toward middle ground?
IT_User | 06/03/04
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We can, but let's clarify the issues.
Anton Philidor | 06/03/04
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I'm willing to try
IT_User | 06/06/04
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Monti is highly respected in Europe.
DonnieBoy | 06/02/04
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I don't know how respected Monti is in Europe...
Anton Philidor | 06/03/04
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Anton, you misunderstand me.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/03/04
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We're not disagreeing.
Anton Philidor | 06/03/04
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You are right, my bad.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/03/04
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Who's Monti boy?
Jay Cash | 06/03/04
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old argument, EU refuted it effectively, MS stole 96% of WGS market!
oldskool | 06/03/04
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After reading your post ...
Anton Philidor | 06/03/04
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Your proposition seems reasonable
IT_User | 06/03/04
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I wasn't reporting a proposal
Anton Philidor | 06/03/04
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were close to agreeing here but you confuse US and EU issues
oldskool | 06/04/04
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I disagree adamently.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/03/04
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Offense and remedy
Anton Philidor | 06/03/04
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I am not understanding your point ... its not whats in the document
oldskool | 06/03/04
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Differences of degree
Anton Philidor | 06/03/04
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what do you expect MS to say ... LOL "we guilty as sin"?
oldskool | 06/03/04
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Your argument falls apart for the following reason.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/03/04
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After reviewing
michael-t | 06/02/04
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Microsoft are welcome to withdraw from Europe
whisperycat | 06/03/04
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In fairness
IT_User | 06/03/04
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Show me this law!
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/03/04
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Wait a minute...
seosamh_z | 06/03/04
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yawn ++
whisperycat | 06/03/04
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Same old usless ranting...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/03/04
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You don't have to title your posts (NT)
seosamh_z | 06/03/04
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You may do it any way you like, I reserve the same right.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/03/04
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I was referring to the Jello Guy
seosamh_z | 06/03/04
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Why is Monti boy leaving? Because EU has lost confidence in him.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/03/04
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isn't his term up, and isn't a precedent valid?
oldskool | 06/03/04
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Wrong on soooo many levels.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/03/04
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nobody (even MS) want MS's code ... its the specs we need!
oldskool | 06/03/04
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Ok, lets go with that.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/03/04
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Okay lets go with that
IT_User | 06/03/04
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Nice dodge, nothing more.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/03/04
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VOLVO but that's a separate market but why does SW need new law?
oldskool | 06/03/04
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By the way ... a healthy OS vendor enables its ISVs to innovate
oldskool | 06/03/04
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3 posts, none of which address the facts or issues.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/03/04
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I answered square on - where's your response?
IT_User | 06/03/04
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Volvo is exactly the same issue
oldskool | 06/04/04
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Of course that goes for all the other commissioners as well
IT_User | 06/03/04
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$600 MILLION buys a lot of votes.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/03/04
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Oh yeh!
IT_User | 06/03/04
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For a company with somwhere around $40 Million,
B.O.F.H. | 06/03/04
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correction: $40+ Billion
B.O.F.H. | 06/03/04
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And they showed their displeasure bye voting unanamously to support him????
DonnieBoy | 06/03/04
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Please see: $600 million buys a lot of votes.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/03/04
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And no more credible here than above.
IT_User | 06/03/04
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600 million is less than 1% of cash on hand for MS.
DonnieBoy | 06/04/04
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This same Monti guy....
LinuxLover74 | 06/03/04
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True, and it's still in court.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/03/04
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Jus one thing - who is Monti boy?
Jay Cash | 06/03/04
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The full monty on Monti
seosamh_z | 06/03/04
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Someone explain please
scifirules@... | 06/03/04
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Someone explain please
seosamh_z | 06/03/04
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server protocols ...
scifirules@... | 06/03/04
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The problem is that is really isn't "free" ...
Plain Logic | 06/03/04
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Who decides
seosamh_z | 06/03/04
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server protocols..
seosamh_z | 06/03/04
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Bingo
rapson | 06/04/04
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try again ... money and actions show your off target!
oldskool | 06/04/04
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LinuxCAD at last available for Windows
please ignore my post | 06/04/04
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