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By Stephen Shankland
Posted on ZDNet News: Jul 20, 2004 7:32:00 PM

Hewlett-Packard on Tuesday sought to distance itself from a June 2002 memo in which an HP executive said Microsoft planned to use patents as the basis for a legal attack on open-source software.

"Basically, Microsoft is going to use the legal system to shut down open-source software," said Gary Campbell, then vice president of strategic architecture in HP's office of the chief technology officer, in a memo to several HP executives. "Microsoft could attack open-source software for patent infringements against (computer makers), Linux distributors, and, least likely, open-source developers."

The memo was written as Linux began to emerge from relative obscurity to become an increasingly popular alternative to Microsoft's proprietary operating system. Among the advantages cited for Linux: It offered lower setup costs and greater participation in how the software was written. HP, a supporter of open-source software, also has been one of Microsoft's closest allies.

Campbell said Microsoft was "specifically upset about" three widely used software packages: Samba, used for sharing files between Windows, Linux and other systems by emulating Windows file and print software; Apache; used to host Web sites; and Sendmail, used to route e-mail around the Internet and internal networks.

The memo, first reported by open-source news site Newsforge, is authentic but "not relevant today" for both HP customers and open-source software users in general, said HP spokeswoman Elizabeth Phillips. "Since the memo is over two years old, we believe today's situation is different for the industry in general."

"HP is not aware of any patent infringement" regarding Samba, Apache and Sendmail, Phillips said. She declined to say whether Campbell's opinions were based on information from Microsoft.

Top Linux seller Red Hat--which includes Samba, Apache and Sendmail in its products--was reassuring in a statement. "We feel confident that our open-source solutions do not infringe on the valid intellectual property rights of others," spokeswoman Leigh Day said. Representatives of Novell, the No. 2 Linux seller, weren't immediately available for comment.

So far, Microsoft apparently hasn't sued anyone over open-source software patent infringements, but it has begun a more aggressive intellectual property licensing program. Microsoft didn't immediately respond to requests for comment.

Microsoft has called open-source software viral because of a provision in the widely used General Public License (GPL). That provision requires a programmer who wants to include GPL-covered software as part of a larger program to release the larger program under the GPL as well. Microsoft executives also have called the GPL "Pac-Man-like" and a "cancer."

Microsoft says it has now changed tactics, switching to a more pragmatic "Get the Facts" campaign that argues that Linux is more expensive to run than Windows. Microsoft has funded several studies on comparative costs.

Intellectual property issues of open-source software have come to the fore with the legal claims made by the SCO Group, a company that argues that Linux infringes copyrights of Unix, the operating system on which it's based. SCO's claims don't include any patent infringement accusations.

In response to SCO's actions, including a demand that Linux users pay for SCO intellectual property licenses or face the threat of legal actions, HP launched an indemnification program to protect Linux users. That program doesn't protect customers from legal attacks from Microsoft, Phillips said, and HP refused to say whether any current patent cross-licensing agreement does.

Campbell, currently vice president and CTO of HP's Enterprise Servers and Storage group, said in the memo that HP needed to reduce its legal "exposure" from open-source software. He suggested "lowering the profile" of open-source products--one method being to stop installing Linux on computers and letting sales partners handle that task.

He painted a bleak picture of protecting against a Microsoft patent attack. "At this point we have no information on who would defend open source with another patent portfolio," Campbell said. "IBM does not appear to have a plan. Dell backed out of a lot of Linux activity and laid off their Linux marketing group, and Intel went radio silent on Linux publicity in March."

But some in the open-source world now have begun a more active patent defense. Red Hat, for example, doesn't like patents but has an official policy of trying to obtain them to ward off potential legal actions.

"Contrary to the picture some folks paint of the open-source community, we've got folks who are very innovative," said Mark Webbink, Red Hat's general counsel for intellectual property, in a recent interview. The Linux seller shares the patents with those with a similar open-source philosophy: "We obtain patents, and we share the benefit of those patents with parties who use a variety of open-source licenses," he said.

Webbink said that many companies amass patents to build a shield against other companies, but that it's unusual for companies to use their patents as a sword.

ZDNet UK's Rupert Goodwins contributed to this report.

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Copying, stealing and exploiting others ideas is nothing new in the world of computers. It has been going on long before microsoft was king!!

An example or two:

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Posted by: lonegull101@... Posted on: 05/25/05 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
Oh please  NemesisNL | 07/20/04
No, a patent is a patent  IT_User | 07/20/04
But they'd still want to know..  el1jones | 07/20/04
That does NOT count, think of ELOAS.  DonnieBoy | 07/20/04
You could wait until the term expired, if you chose  IT_User | 07/20/04
Well, an intelectual property attack is still possible.  DonnieBoy | 07/20/04
Sorry, your wrong.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
I've never heard it pronounced so probably the answer is NO:)  Laff | 07/21/04
But on the other hand  IT_User | 07/20/04
Attacking Microsoft  georgep_z | 07/20/04
That's a really good point. REALLY GOOD.  el1jones | 07/20/04
Undoubtedly many  IT_User | 07/20/04
Nobody is stupid enough to fire the first shot until . . .  K B | 07/21/04
Sounds like you have copyright confused with patents.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
it's all relevent  V Sanders | 07/20/04
You don't acknowledge  IT_User | 07/20/04
I'm not sure V. Ms is still way too powerful to just out and out slap  Laff | 07/21/04
It's not illegal, but is it MORAL?  kd5auq | 07/20/04
True, people suing MS over patents are immoral.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
You got that right!  voska | 07/21/04
What keeps Microsoft in check...  Yen_z | 07/20/04
Sounds like with SW patent law is having the opposite effect.  enduser_z | 07/20/04
Copying others is NOT innovation.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
Then why does MS constantly over use and abuse...  MacCanuck | 07/21/04
Don't know, and don't care.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
What planet did you just arrive from?  IT_User | 07/21/04
Funny coming from one with MS-coloured glasses...  MacCanuck | 07/21/04
Since the beginning  lonegull101@... | 05/25/05
Sure it is  voska | 07/21/04
Wow!  bchesmer | 07/21/04
Yup, true enough, until they crossed blades with MS.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
Win95/98/ME is OS/2  Yen_z | 07/21/04
Pure speculation.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
Links please?  IT_User | 07/21/04
It's a double edged sword here  voska | 07/21/04
Quite right  IT_User | 07/21/04
Tabloid news, made up stories  Enterprise. Analyst | 07/20/04
(NT) Enterprise. Analyst, GET A LIFE!  bchesmer | 07/21/04
Now that was FUNNY:)  Laff | 07/21/04
Just like the Halloween Papers??? Huh Enterprise Anal.ist?  Plain Logic | 07/20/04
IBM DOES have a plan!  George Mitchell | 07/20/04
Bad guess by an HP employee  Anton Philidor | 07/20/04
Wrong!  bchesmer | 07/21/04
SCO suit about Unix  Anton Philidor | 07/21/04
Actually  IT_User | 07/21/04
I'm thinking of different large companies.  Anton Philidor | 07/21/04
Cry Havoc and let loose the dogs of war!  Squawkbox | 07/20/04
I prefer: Release the hounds  Anton Philidor | 07/20/04
How about "May the flee's of a thousand camels, infest your arm pits"  Laff | 07/21/04
You seem to be confused.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
Granted on the one issue MS has not sued...directly that is, but there is  Laff | 07/21/04
True, Sun is a bigger investor...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
SUN has also been threatened by Linux/Open Source.  Laff | 07/21/04
Yup, many real companies are against open source.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
Well Baystar and the Royal Canadian Bank did not seem interested in the  Laff | 07/21/04
Royal Canadian Bank??  voska | 07/21/04
My bad..you are porbably correct about the name.  Laff | 07/21/04
Voska, would you explain, please...  Anton Philidor | 07/21/04
Explanation  voska | 07/21/04
So Voska..what system was this bank using?  Laff | 07/22/04
Microsoft will be a big target in patent wars  voska | 07/21/04
Or, software patents will come to an end.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
As They Should !!!  Update victim | 07/21/04
Amen  IT_User | 07/21/04
One can hope(NT)  voska | 07/21/04
Before you reply, read the posts  Squawkbox | 07/21/04
Ah, you must mean like Sun and RealMEdia..  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
Here this website might help you  Squawkbox | 07/21/04
Your "old school" doesn't hold much interest for me.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
At least you read the posts.  Squawkbox | 07/21/04
Always do, I may not always agree...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
Reason number {OVERFLOW} why Microsoft is evil.  Xunil_Sierutuf | 07/21/04
Hey Teach  PmAc_z | 07/21/04
Wah Wah Wah wah wahhhhhhh..  Xunil_Sierutuf | 07/21/04
Keep it up, your posts show everyone,,,  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
LOL... Bitty Bitty Bitty...  Xunil_Sierutuf | 07/21/04
No, your just stating...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
I've been saying it was coming. The only question is when.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
Will someone please give me the definative evidence that Linux/Open sourse  Laff | 07/21/04
You don't understand patents.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
I've alway's believed that NOTHING is impossible, many things are  Laff | 07/21/04
You don't understand Microsoft  Taz_z | 07/21/04
Sorry to disappoint...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
Severely disappointed  Taz_z | 07/21/04
I figured you wouldn't like the facts.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
*sneeze*  php_developer | 07/21/04
Marketing at Microsoft agreed not to disclose anything to you?  B.O.F.H. | 07/22/04
Now think about the possibility  IT_User | 07/21/04
I Hate Patents Period.  GreatInca | 02/02/05
IBM has already invested billions  Michael Kelly | 07/21/04
Hmmm, and how much did they invest in OS/2?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
The story of OS/2 is indeed a sad one. IBM had foolishly pased the tourch  Laff | 07/21/04
Hmmm, you try to turn defeat..  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
I'm not sure what you mean by that post...What I said was IBM did get it's  Laff | 07/21/04
My mistake...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
Well as I said to V Sanders payback is one thing...being stupid is another  Laff | 07/21/04
Very little  IT_User | 07/21/04
You rabid?  chiwawa | 07/21/04
Hey No_Ax... you were saying about reputations?  Xunil_Sierutuf | 07/21/04
Aw, you got another name calling zealot to agree.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
Ummm, pardon me???  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
Objectivity, Bitty? SCO's stock price says it all.  Xunil_Sierutuf | 07/21/04
Don't you mean Red Hats stock?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
As of Jul 21, 2004 1:27 PM  B.O.F.H. | 07/21/04
Junk stock is junk stock regardless of the name.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
Exactly my point.  chiwawa | 07/21/04
copy ?  Update victim | 07/21/04
Sorry, I almost forgot QDOS. (NT)  Update victim | 07/21/04
You are so boring  AmusedAtItAll | 07/21/04
MS=FOX NEWS+SLANTED  Nullifidian | 07/21/04
Don't you mean...  Spoon Jabber | 07/21/04
How come Liberal is such a bad word anyway?  Laff | 07/21/04
Neither should be  rapson | 07/21/04
It's sad and amusing at the same time.  Laff | 07/22/04
It didn't used to be  Spoon Jabber | 07/22/04
Ah Spoon you do have your pasion and usually you are level headed.  Laff | 07/22/04
The "plank" is a given  Spoon Jabber | 07/22/04
We do have a lot of fun, don't we:)  Laff | 07/22/04
The "plank" is a given (repost, stupid "no preview")  Spoon Jabber | 07/22/04
What if you son, and or daughter choose to be Muslim?  Laff | 07/23/04
That would suck!  Spoon Jabber | 07/23/04
Yes it would SUCK! Or at least I wold imagine it would  Laff | 07/23/04
Is that really how Americans see the rest of the world?  tgardner@... | 08/03/04
Rev, never got the chance...  Spoon Jabber | 07/22/04
Tell you what, IF you go into a country and are shot at because you are  Laff | 07/23/04
Why can't their loved ones decide for themselves?  Spoon Jabber | 07/23/04
As I said in a previous post...We have no right to expect  Laff | 07/23/04
Alright, now I'm ticked!  Spoon Jabber | 07/23/04
You have an ex too...who'd a thunk it? Two great catches like us...:)  Laff | 07/24/04
Oh, almost forgot  Spoon Jabber | 07/22/04
Muslims have a long history....And a proud one.  Laff | 07/23/04
Uhhh....hhhuh, hhhuh, you said long (NT)  Spoon Jabber | 07/23/04
Not sure what that meant......:)  Laff | 07/23/04
OH...me stupid! Now I get it...hee hee hee  Laff | 07/23/04
Beavis and Butt-head!  Spoon Jabber | 07/23/04
Yes I remember that show.....  Laff | 07/23/04
Remeber what I said about the Republicans and Independants that voted for  Laff | 07/23/04
If someone's vote is swayed by that movie...  Spoon Jabber | 07/23/04
Never seen a Moore movies myself, don't plan to either.  Laff | 07/23/04
I agree!  Spoon Jabber | 07/23/04
Open Source supporters have their heads in the sand.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
Could be, May be, What if, all points yes. However all I'm asking for is  Laff | 07/21/04
I agree completely...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
NOT AGAIN! I agree...and only time will tell who the winner is, or if  Laff | 07/21/04
Scary isn't it?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
What are you trolling about?  chiwawa | 07/21/04
This does seem to be a good point No Ax.  Laff | 07/21/04
You've just described...  Spoon Jabber | 07/21/04
Hey Spoon how ya doing?  Laff | 07/21/04
I would say that is acceptable!  Spoon Jabber | 07/21/04
Are you on drugs or have lost it completely?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
Play NICE! Don't make me seperate you two:)  Laff | 07/21/04
By Open Source supporters, you include...  B.O.F.H. | 07/21/04
Ah, you seem to mean customers.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
I suppose we can also exclude...  B.O.F.H. | 07/21/04
I don't see them doing anything.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
"White knight" to save Linux?  B.O.F.H. | 07/21/04
Patents  Update victim | 07/21/04
GPL is cool. Its legal piracy!  GreatInca | 02/02/05

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