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By Declan McCullagh
Posted on ZDNet News: Jul 22, 2004 9:55:00 PM

The chairman of the U.S. Senate Committee on the Judiciary said Thursday that a ban on file-trading networks is urgently required but agreed to work with tech companies concerned that devices like Apple Computer's iPod would be imperiled.

Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, said he intended to move ahead with the highly controversial Induce Act despite objections from dozens of Internet providers and Silicon Valley manufacturers. The Induce Act says "whoever intentionally induces any violation" of copyright law would be legally liable for those violations.

Hatch added, however, that he welcomed comments from critics. "If you help us, we just might get it right," he said. "If you don't, we're going to do it. Something has to be done. There's no way to solve these problems so everyone's totally pleased."

The Induce Act, which enjoys broad support in the music industry and from a handful of software companies, is designed to overturn an April 2003 ruling from a California judge that said StreamCast Networks, which distributes Morpheus, and Grokster were not liable for copyright infringements that took place using their software. Critics of the bill warn that it could make hardware makers like Apple and Toshiba--and even journalists--liable for products and reviews that could "induce" the public to violate copyright law.

Vermont's Patrick Leahy, the top Democrat on the panel, echoed Hatch's comments. "Nobody wants to undermine the iPod or any other piece of technology out there," he said. "We have to understand that some people use P2P technology in ways that are wrong and illegal."

The Business Software Alliance, which counts as members Microsoft, Apple and Adobe Systems, initially applauded the Induce Act in a favorable statement last month that called it a "reasonable balance between antipiracy and technological innovation."

But by the time Thursday's hearing took place, BSA President Robert Holleyman had become far more tepid in his appraisal of the bill. Holleyman testified that the measure would be acceptable only if it were rewritten "to ensure that only bad actors are found liable."

Gary Shapiro, president of the Consumer Electronics Association, suggested that the Senate wait for the courts to figure out which file-swapping networks are legal. "Right now, I don't think legislation is necessary, because the harm is greater than any benefit that may be derived," he said.

More than 40 trade associations and advocacy groups voiced similar sentiments in a letter to senators July 6. The Induce Act "would chill innovation and drive investment in technology" overseas, said the letter, signed by CNET Networks, eBay, Google, Intel, MCI, TiVo, Verizon Communications, Sun Microsystems and Yahoo. CNET Networks is the publisher of News.com.

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is it bad to wish death on idiots like Orin Hatch?(NT)  Monkey_MCSE | 07/22/04
Only if you use anything less than a pair of pliers and a blowtorch!  Jeff Spicoli | 07/22/04
nope  hmumm | 07/22/04
If we can't share, start shooting happy  cybershoplifter | 07/23/04
Ban by legislation or memo - Impossible  bwills2w | 07/22/04
It's possible  Seething Ganglia | 07/22/04
I suspect...  Fred Fredrickson | 07/23/04
Fool me once  Yagotta B. Kidding | 07/22/04
Missed that quote first time around  GMTobias | 07/23/04
The best that money can buy  auratum@... | 07/22/04
Ban p2p networks, like e-mail, IM, the internet  tic swayback | 07/22/04
Well, for one thing..  JimSatterfieldW | 07/23/04
P2P for VOIP  voska | 07/23/04
Apply your logic to cd burners  tic swayback | 07/23/04
Not so...  AbsolutelyNot | 07/23/04
RIAA Lies, CD Sales not hurt by filesharing  tic swayback | 07/22/04
Focus on Quality... not Quantity.  cchenoweth | 07/23/04
Software authors hurt more by shady businessmen than filesharers  tic swayback | 07/22/04
that was a great aritcle...  ryusen | 07/23/04
old Senators GET OUT!  nograin | 07/22/04
What???  ordaj@... | 07/22/04
What does this mean for M$ Windows?  GMTobias | 07/23/04
News groups  voska | 07/23/04
From what I read  voska | 07/23/04
The inducer in this case is not Microsoft  GregSalts | 08/10/04
Can't please everyone?  alterego_z | 07/22/04
Here is what bugs me  buxxmaster | 07/22/04
they'll ban ecryption next...set your watch by it  nograin | 07/22/04
Well, hell its only the BILL OF RIGHTS  erichbf@... | 07/22/04
Niether Republicans OR Democrats  buxxmaster | 07/23/04
Funny thing about the BILL OF RIGHTS...  DigitalKid | 07/23/04
In name only  AbsolutelyNot | 07/23/04
Any network?  RicD_ | 07/22/04
Any network which does not impose DRM...  Seething Ganglia | 07/22/04
lol  userxp | 07/23/04
Who is the real owner of your computer?  iberemoreiracampos@... | 07/26/04
So where does Usenet fit into this?  Michael Kelly | 07/22/04
Usenet will go away...  Seething Ganglia | 07/22/04
You're right...  emartin_z | 07/23/04
Start a march......  Chipper1963 | 07/22/04
Animals' legal representatives  Anton Philidor | 07/23/04
Animals' legal representatives  Chipper1963 | 07/23/04
A government of laws  Anton Philidor | 07/23/04
I don't need a permit to hunt and fish  voska | 07/23/04
Glad there's some benefit...  Anton Philidor | 07/23/04
Maybe...  AbsolutelyNot | 07/23/04
Actually, march on the HOR or the Senate Building  buxxmaster | 07/23/04
You're marching on the wrong target...  ordaj@... | 07/23/04
Hatch is such an id10T  Arrg | 07/22/04
If we can't share, start shooting!  cybershoplifter | 07/23/04
And that is a GOOD thing !  realitycheck101 | 07/22/04
You're just the slime of the earth...  cybershoplifter | 07/22/04
Yeah  GMTobias | 07/23/04
Yup, Microsoft will go away because of this  voska | 07/23/04
it took me a while, but i see your point...  ryusen | 07/23/04
bribes or just another luditte??  lotta_anger | 07/22/04
Neither  Anton Philidor | 07/23/04
Contact this guy & let him know what...  bchesmer | 07/22/04
If not him, then...  AbsolutelyNot | 07/23/04
senator has an eye on my wallet  M_c | 07/23/04
How Much Money does the RIAA and MPAA put into this Senator's Pocket?  Bill_gates_Is_SATAN | 07/23/04
I think a better question...  Stellardyne | 07/23/04
soft money - what does the senator think of that abuse?  V Sanders | 07/23/04
Hatch $159,860, Leahy $220,450  tic swayback | 07/23/04
What a CROCK!  Bill_gates_Is_SATAN | 07/23/04
For real (links provided)  tic swayback | 07/23/04
at last count $150,000...  ryusen | 07/23/04
P2P is no Copyright Rally Cry  ParadigmOdyssey | 07/23/04
If we can't share, start shooting happy  cybershoplifter | 07/23/04
I would be careful of what you say  Bill_gates_Is_SATAN | 07/23/04
But It's The Truth!!!  cbw_bird@... | 09/28/05
Bribery works wonders  Amberhawk | 07/23/04
He wanted to share his craptastic music  cybershoplifter | 07/23/04
Missing the point  johnnyu | 07/23/04
Music has gone down hill  voska | 07/23/04
Anyone who trully cares...  bjbrock | 07/23/04
Hatch needs to be voted out  BitTwiddler | 07/23/04
So how's the Senator propose to ban P2P networks running overseas?  James T. Kirk | 07/23/04
Message has been deleted.  Protector | 07/23/04
Peter Gabriel on the death of the RIAA  tic swayback | 07/23/04
Microsoft's take  Anton Philidor | 07/23/04
Straddling the line  tic swayback | 07/23/04
Actually, march on the HOR or Senate building  buxxmaster | 07/23/04
Baby and the bath water???  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/23/04
We are standing up  tic swayback | 07/23/04
I'd have a period if I lost internet for 1-5yrs  cybershoplifter | 07/23/04
Sorry, no excuses allowed.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/23/04
How would they stop you?  voska | 07/23/04
You need more information to draw a conclusion  Anton Philidor | 07/23/04
Both sides are being heard  tic swayback | 07/23/04
Two out of three ain't good.  Anton Philidor | 07/23/04
Right on the money  tic swayback | 07/23/04
Hmmm, maybe, and sort of...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/23/04
Nope, can't be the music's free alone, or ...  Anton Philidor | 07/23/04
And why are CD sales increasing  voska | 07/23/04
Has NOTHING to do with it.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/23/04
what it has to do with...  ryusen | 07/23/04
Posted in the wrong place  voska | 07/23/04
Huh?  tic swayback | 07/23/04
His point is correct.  Anton Philidor | 07/23/04
It's actually stolen goods  voska | 07/23/04
Careless language  tic swayback | 07/23/04
Read "the first place" to be the provider of the download  Anton Philidor | 07/23/04
Not in this case  AbsolutelyNot | 07/23/04
Referring to a different thread?  Anton Philidor | 07/23/04
Referring to a different thread?  Anton Philidor | 07/23/04
DMCA does not prohib back ups  voska | 07/23/04
Chance to find & hear new music, Then go out & buy the CD  cbw_bird@... | 09/28/05
How about a graduated blackout?  buxxmaster | 07/23/04
but...  ryusen | 07/23/04
Actually it's a criminal level  voska | 07/23/04
Why is congress frustrated??  voska | 07/23/04
Same reason as RIAA... Lack of control  Anton Philidor | 07/23/04
But it still doesn't explain why  voska | 07/23/04
Because that is their job.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/23/04
Ah Ha! Got you!  voska | 07/23/04
Not even close...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/25/04
Major labels only put out low talents  voska | 07/26/04
Here's a legal way to solve the p2p problem  tic swayback | 07/23/04
With upload and download caps  voska | 07/23/04
Consumers hurt by  FilledOut | 07/23/04
BAN THE RIAA  Bill_gates_Is_SATAN | 07/23/04
memo to Senator Hatch  bybelknap | 07/23/04
Am I A Pirate? Should I Be In Jail?  BlackDiamond | 07/23/04
Yes you are  johnek_z | 07/23/04
Fuzzy area  tic swayback | 07/23/04
Actually you can resell it  voska | 07/23/04
Sorry, I wasn't clear  tic swayback | 07/23/04
NP  voska | 07/23/04
WONG, you don't get a license  voska | 07/23/04
Yes you are, jail time no.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/23/04
you're wrong and you know it...  ryusen | 07/23/04
While you are not technically incorrect  MEMSmaker | 07/23/04
Be more productive to say No_Ax is right  Anton Philidor | 07/23/04
Not with fair use  voska | 07/23/04
In your case you didn't pirate anything  voska | 07/23/04
look up what piracy is in this case:  ryusen | 07/23/04
Congressional record on what could be affected  AbsolutelyNot | 07/23/04
Next Up : Ban IRC  johnek_z | 07/23/04
US Copyright Office wants to outlaw the VCR  tic swayback | 07/23/04
It's all about the money  cchenoweth | 07/23/04
GOOD GRIEF! Of course it's abotu the money!!!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/23/04
Whose money?  tic swayback | 07/23/04
On that we agree.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/23/04
Or the $250,000 campaign contribution  voska | 07/23/04
my rant....  ryusen | 07/23/04
Scorched earth policy  tic swayback | 07/23/04
i only wish...  ryusen | 07/23/04
Bills related to computer usage  AbsolutelyNot | 07/23/04
How will this bill jibe with the rest of the laws?  AbsolutelyNot | 07/23/04
Let's ban cars too!  fullebr@... | 07/23/04
Even if...  DarthRidiculous | 07/24/04
P2P  Minodier | 07/26/04
What a waste of time and money!!!!  georgemd@... | 07/26/04
Is the sky the limit?  strawbrn | 07/26/04
more fascist views from an american?  disgustedofpurley | 08/18/04

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