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By Andrew Colley
Posted on ZDNet News: Aug 11, 2004 5:46:00 PM

Linus Torvalds has been called on to help an Australian open-source advocate in a battle to stop local companies from trying to trademark the word "Linux."

Linux Australia Inc.--which represents open-source developers orbiting the Linux software platform--has asked the Linux creator to prove his right to trademark the term in Australia, much as he did in the United States in 1997.

"It's been proven for America, and now we need to do the same for Australia because, obviously, the word Linux has been used in Australia by different people than use it in the U.S.," said Jeremy Malcom, a lawyer representing Linux Australia.

Linux Australia Inc. entered the debate originally as an attempt to protect its own name, after a South Australian company applied to register it as a trademark.

According to Malcom, the open-source organization has been using the name as an unregistered trademark since the mid-1990s. But they were "pipped at the post" in lodging an official trademark application for the name with IP Australia, the government's intellectual-property regulator, in May last year by Adelaide-based Linux Australia Pty. Ltd.

"Linux Australia is widely known in the open-source community as being a nonprofit organization for the Linux community as a whole, and to have a corporation using that name out in the marketplace is only going to cause confusion," Malcom said. "We don't think that's going to be to anyone's benefit."

Malcom said Linux Australia Inc. received a letter from the would-be trademark owners on Sept. 9, 2003, seeking its "cooperation" after examiners returned an "adverse response" to the South Australian applicants.

That appears to have prompted Linux Australia Inc. to take action, volunteering to take up the cause on behalf of Torvalds and the international Linux community.

Shortly after Linux Australia Inc. questioned the Adelaide-based company's request in January this year, it lodged its own trademark application for the word "Linux." However, IP Australia also questioned that application, as it didn't appear to have Torvalds' support.

"We've got some more information coming from Linus Torvalds as the trademark owner, and that will assist us getting that through, hopefully," Malcom said.

Malcom said the information would help prove that Torvalds' use of word Linux has continued for longer than any of the competing local trademarks bearing the name.

It wouldn't be the first time Torvalds has had to make such a case. Torvalds had to wrestle the term back under the control of the open-source community after lawyers representing William Della Croce, who had registered the name as a trademark, started demanding royalties in 1996 from U.S. Linux vendors for using the word.

According to Malcom, the application would stop the word Linux from being used by companies like Linux Australia without approval for commercial purposes, but would not place proprietary limits on the use of the name by the general public.

It's unclear how long Linux Australia Pty Ltd.'s application went unnoticed by Linux Australia Inc., but it appears unlikely that its claim on the word synonymous with the open-source software will succeed.

"Without Linux Australia Inc.'s cooperation, it wasn't going to be registered," Malcom said.

Linux Australia Pty Ltd. did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Andrew Colley of ZDNet Australia reported from Sydney.

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i read that... but why would there even need to be a legal action? the tradmark-giver-outers should have looked at the application and asked "Do you have documentation from MR. Torvalds that you have his permission for this? No? buh-bye!"... (Read the rest)
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Where's Alexis de Tocqueville's Book?  Nigel Johnstone | 08/11/04
That is a good question.  el1jones | 08/11/04
Torvalds response is HILARIOUS  itanalyst | 08/11/04
Awesome!  Martin Marvinski | 08/11/04
Can everyone say LINDOWS???  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/11/04
Hmmm... Okay.. I'll bite.. what about it? (i'll regret this)  el1jones | 08/11/04
I can say pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis  Letophoro | 08/11/04
Does that hurt?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/11/04
Not Really  Letophoro | 08/11/04
So "Linux" is not a common word?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/11/04
Trademark dates  Letophoro | 08/11/04
So is Windows.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/11/04
Re: So is Windows.  Letophoro | 08/11/04
Nice try..  Patrick Jones | 08/11/04
Really?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/11/04
Once again, nice try..  Patrick Jones | 08/11/04
Nope, sorry no_axe.  John Le'Brecage | 08/11/04
Let it drop Ax, you have poor footing on this one ...  ac2_z | 08/11/04
Psssst, your are right...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/11/04
Not quite  Michael Kelly | 08/11/04
Once again, Apples and Oranges  Patrick Jones | 08/11/04
An answer  John Le'Brecage | 08/11/04
Evil? No. Wrong? Yes.  Michael Kelly | 08/11/04
Oh yeah?!?  Martin Marvinski | 08/11/04
What are you trying to say here?  tic swayback | 08/11/04
say what?  ryusen | 08/11/04
Again with the insults???  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/11/04
There was no insult..  Jeff Spicoli | 08/11/04
NWOR  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/11/04
Oh, my!!!  Martin Marvinski | 08/11/04
want to try and actually make a valid point?  ryusen | 08/11/04
It's all up to you...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/11/04
did i...  ryusen | 08/11/04
delusional....  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/11/04
you still don't have a point to make on this topic? (nt)  ryusen | 08/11/04
ok....  ryusen | 08/12/04
Let me ask you this...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/11/04
There's No Doubt  itanalyst | 08/11/04
Let me add...  doe_z | 08/11/04
Mine all talk to each other.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/11/04
Let me ask you this...  tic swayback | 08/11/04
If I tell I am riunning Linux, you can't tell anything.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/11/04
Cute, but silly, semantic argument No Ax  tic swayback | 08/11/04
It's all about semantics isn't it?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/11/04
I think I have it  mlybbert | 08/11/04
Not evil, just foolish  tic swayback | 08/11/04
Hmmm ...  mlybbert | 08/11/04
An honest responce.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/11/04
Trademark and Situational Ethics  mlybbert | 08/11/04
Let me ask you this also  itanalyst | 08/11/04
Spoken like a true zealot.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/11/04
VERY nice response by John Le'Brecage.  doe_z | 08/11/04
Thank you.  John Le'Brecage | 08/11/04
um...  ryusen | 08/11/04
Actually  Letophoro | 08/11/04
that's my point...  ryusen | 08/11/04
My Bad (NT)  Letophoro | 08/11/04
Read the article  Fred Fredrickson | 08/11/04
i know they will likely fail..  ryusen | 08/12/04
Well ...  mlybbert | 08/11/04
"coke" is STILL generic for "soda pop"...  kd5auq | 08/11/04
You know I've never heard that before  voska | 08/11/04
I think it's a Southern thing  tic swayback | 08/11/04
I've heard it...  Martin Marvinski | 08/11/04
Pop vs Soda vs Coke ...  ac2_z | 08/11/04
And then many say...  The King's Servant | 08/12/04
Sometimes generic terms are regional  mlybbert | 08/11/04
What about Xerox?  itanalyst | 08/11/04
And the list continues ...  ac2_z | 08/11/04
Great job  mlybbert | 08/11/04
M$ is evil for doing this  NonZealot | 08/11/04
Not funny at all  Michael Kelly | 08/11/04
I don't have to do anything  NonZealot | 08/11/04
Yes it does  Michael Kelly | 08/12/04
NonZealot = No Ax To Grind  itanalyst | 08/11/04
No Ax Psychological Profile...  Stellardyne | 08/11/04
What did you do with all the money?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/11/04
Nice try, but as usual, your 100% wrong.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/11/04
As usual, your wit outweighs your wisdom  itanalyst | 08/12/04
And you are refering to his...  The King's Servant | 08/12/04

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