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Posted on ZDNet News: Aug 27, 2004 7:58:00 PM

The decision to scale back Longhorn was spurred by developers and computer makers who valued on-time delivery over advanced data management features, according to Windows chief Jim Allchin.

In an interview Friday with CNET News.com, Allchin explained that the decision announced Friday to strip an advanced file system dubbed WinFS from Longhorn was made to ensure that the new OS could be shipped in 2006.

"My goal is to have Longhorn the highest-quality OS we've ever shipped," said Allchin, the software giant's group vice president for platforms. "At one level, you could say, 'I've had enough,' and so we're on a path to drive up the quality level."

Specifically, Allchin said that when the company was finalizing Windows XP Service Pack 2 and updates to Media Center and Tablet software, he turned his attention to Longhorn and realized that the project's ambitions and time tables were not in sync.

Allchin indicated that PC makers and chipmaker Intel were eager to see that the next version of Windows would take advantage of hardware improvements--and that they could plan for certain release in 2006. He noted that the PC makers' concerns about Longhorn's release "had been ratcheting up" during the first half of 2004.

The winding down of the other Windows-related projects "gave me the time to sort of step back and say, 'OK, are we on the right path, given the feedback?' And I've had feedback of, 'Are you going to have an OS there to support the hardware improvements that we are doing? Are you going to help us on the deployments? And by the way, we love your vision...but can you give us higher assurance about when it's going to be available?'"

In early July, "I said to myself, 'We should change.' And we've been thinking through that since then." Allchin then met with top executives, including CEO Steve Ballmer and Chairman Bill Gates, to explain his concerns and then conferred with some project leaders about how feasible it was to extract WinFS from Longhorn.

Asked whether any personnel had been reassigned as a result, Allchin said, "We're going to be clearer about responsibilities...but no changes workwise at all."

Removing WinFS likely stalls, for at least another couple years, the company's longstanding dream of a file system that connects a file name with its contents, who authored it and other information. WinFS is widely viewed as a technology that will significantly enhance the ability to store and retrieve the thousands of documents, e-mail messages, music files and other data that are being stored on PCs. The company now expects WinFS to be in the beta-testing phase when Longhorn in available to consumers in 2006.

Allchin said the moves will keep the company from having to scale back WinFS and will enable Microsoft to implement it on PCs and servers at the same time, something internal Microsoft testers said was important.

Despite the removal of WinFS from Longhorn, Allchin was adamant that the new OS will contain enough features to be compelling for consumers and PC makers.

"There's no question--we made some trade-offs here. I couldn't do everything that everybody wanted from the customer perspective, and they were very clear in what trade-off they wanted us to make," he said.

Still, he said, dubbing Longhorn without WinFS as "Shorthorn" is "derogatory," because the operating system "is packed full of capabilities." Some of the features he mentioned were "great roaming support," .Net Framework 2.0, "new browsing capabilities," the "fresh" user interface, improved migrations and deployments, "more resilience to malware" and "a new photo experience."

Then again, without WinFS as a focal point for what to expect in Longhorn, Allchin conceded that people may not understand what Longhorn is all about. Microsoft has largely talked about Longhorn from the perspective of what it means to a developer and has yet to talk about the changes to the user interface and the more consumer-oriented benefits that would come with the software.

As a result, Longhorn had come to be thought of largely from the major architectural changes Microsoft was making.

"I don't think people have any idea what Longhorn really is all about," he said. "There's so many great capabilities that we're working on that we haven't shared."

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Posted by: Outside T. Box Posted on: 12/13/04 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
Why do they care about what PC makers want ?  worknman | 08/27/04
Does linux work with the hardware?  loser_z | 08/27/04
based on what analysis  hipparchus2000 | 12/12/04
They don't care about PC makers, but they have to at least pretend.  DonnieBoy | 08/27/04
you mean  JasonL31 | 12/10/04
WinFS is the future  loser_z | 08/27/04
WinFS is the future, as in...  B.O.F.H. | 08/27/04
As in...  loser_z | 08/27/04
Couple points...  B.O.F.H. | 08/27/04
you are quite possibly correct in the unemployed part..  Monkey_MCSE | 08/27/04
If you don't work for Microsoft...  ejsecco | 08/31/04
whatever  CobraA1 | 08/27/04
Another new moniker!  Linux User 147560 | 08/28/04
We have a winner!  AbsolutelyNot | 08/30/04
I've used Linux for ten years, what is this SEGV thing  hipparchus2000 | 12/12/04
As in...  loser_z | 08/27/04
Every year,huh?  IT_User | 08/27/04
Amazingly, it happened already... it's called reiser4  Xunil_Sierutuf | 08/27/04
yup  CobraA1 | 08/27/04
Longhorn chops off linux littlehorn  loser_z | 08/27/04
Remind us again n 2006 or 2007.  DonnieBoy | 08/27/04
Longhorn: The Little Horn  Linux_Developer | 08/27/04
Longhorn: The Little Horn - what it means Dan7Rev13  pbva | 08/30/04
Longhorn: The Little Horn - what it means Dan7Rev13  pbva | 08/30/04
this guys got a real problem  hipparchus2000 | 12/12/04
Who CARES? ....  kd5auq | 08/27/04
I CARE, I want MS to have the BEST OS  loser_z | 08/27/04
We all want the best OS, but ...  kd5auq | 08/27/04
Windows XP Pro works for me then  loser_z | 08/27/04
the problem with XP is the Spyware  JasonL31 | 12/10/04
Socialist?  IT_User | 08/27/04
PC makers want Longhorn in 2006!  Heatlesssun | 08/27/04
NO market for 'linux' hardware  loser_z | 08/27/04
Again, come back in 2006 or 2007 when Shorhorn has shipped.  DonnieBoy | 08/27/04
pathetic rant from puerile rubbisher  hipparchus2000 | 12/12/04
I know HP & IBM can make Lunux work,  kd5auq | 08/27/04
Costs to much money to support all of that  loser_z | 08/27/04
So "Shorthorn" it is. That fits pretty good.  DonnieBoy | 08/27/04
Limp horn Linux sounds good to me  loser_z | 08/27/04
The first goal is just a critical mass. That may happen soon.  DonnieBoy | 08/27/04
You are a nut, kudos to those who brainwashed you  loser_z | 08/27/04
Well, I don't pray to the Microsoft god.  DonnieBoy | 08/27/04
Not so much profit for Microsoft?  ejsecco | 08/31/04
Kudos, kudos, kudos  Linux_Developer | 08/28/04
He wants to be No_Ax  AbsolutelyNot | 08/30/04
Re: Shorthorn it is  alterego_z | 12/12/04
I'm ashamed of you all!!!!  ryusen | 08/27/04
Well, I feel better now  loser_z | 08/27/04
This is an imposter, notice the "." at the end?  DonnieBoy | 08/27/04
Alias...  MacVet | 08/27/04
Will the REAL ZZ please stand up  loser_z | 08/27/04
first of all...  ryusen | 08/27/04
I wondered when you would show up -  Confused by religion | 08/27/04
i'm not schizophrenic...  ryusen | 08/27/04
Anyone who have read your posts...  Monkey_MCSE | 08/27/04
We don't allways remember who the MS flakes are.  DonnieBoy | 08/27/04
i caught it and got my post in another article deleted  Monkey_MCSE | 08/27/04
Oh no it is the Matin Marvinski debacle reduxed  Squawkbox | 08/27/04
Ummm I meant MARTIN, no typing fingers  Squawkbox | 08/27/04
squash him?  ryusen | 08/27/04
Linux is for socialists?  ejsecco | 08/31/04
Limp Linux 2% market share on desktop  loser_z | 08/27/04
Limp ding-a-lings with Billy's them around.  DonnieBoy | 08/27/04
at least get your facts right if you're going to post  hipparchus2000 | 12/12/04
Legacy will kill MS if they don't wise up!!!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/27/04
it's a trap...  ryusen | 08/27/04
Sounds like OSX  tic swayback | 08/27/04
exactly...  ryusen | 08/27/04
I disagree tic.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/04
Hopefully emulation and virtualization will alleviate some legacy problems  CobraA1 | 08/29/04
problem being...  ryusen | 08/30/04
I agree, but they have to get some stuff working first!  B.O.F.H. | 08/27/04
It does work!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/04
Not sure where you are going with that.  B.O.F.H. | 08/29/04
Virtualization?  Zogg | 08/27/04
It's possible, but SLOOOOOOOW.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/04
Maybe, but it's better than keeping it integrated with Windows  CobraA1 | 08/29/04
Wakey wakey, it's 2004 already  Zogg | 08/29/04
So much for the Patented Filesystem, eh? (NT)  none none | 08/27/04
Sorry, your wrong. Patents are already in place.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/04
It's You're, not Your (NT)  Grammarian | 08/30/04
Thank you mommy.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/31/04
But how is that ever going to happen?  Linux_Developer | 08/28/04
Simple...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/04
Simple...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/04
If Linux can do it  Linux User 147560 | 08/28/04
Simply no camparison. Linux has no legacy.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/04
True or not  Linux User 147560 | 08/28/04
Hardware?  CobraA1 | 08/29/04
Very true, and....  NemesisNL | 08/29/04
Um, we will still need DOS..  Patrick Jones | 08/30/04
"I don't think people have any idea..."  Anton Philidor | 08/27/04
Say som'm about how the cry for MS software wafts across the skies... (NT)  Linux_Developer | 08/27/04
It has wafted, it will waft  Anton Philidor | 08/29/04
It gets even worse!!!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/04
Be careful what you wish for...  Anton Philidor | 08/29/04
WindowsXP-Wimp  chiwawa | 08/28/04
Listening to the post's  tycase@... | 08/30/04
Shorthorn...  msdead | 08/30/04
On time delivery over features???? hahahaha  jon.townend@... | 08/30/04
neither is good  hipparchus2000 | 12/12/04
Shorthorn  d_jedi | 08/30/04
Longhorn I and II  kevdevraleigh | 08/30/04
OS or bunch of Applications  zdnetforum | 08/30/04
There is no difference.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/31/04
XP  jumby@... | 08/30/04
We NEED a 'Shorthorn"  shanedr | 09/03/04
The truth about FS  rograham1@... | 09/06/04
since that would minimize the need for legions of customers' "engineers" to  hipparchus2000 | 12/12/04
how about SHORN then?  hipparchus2000 | 12/12/04
Don't call it ShortHorn, call it LegHorn. It fits.  Outside T. Box | 12/13/04

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