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By Ina Fried
Posted on ZDNet News: Sep 17, 2004 7:17:00 PM

Microsoft is trying to get to know its pirates a little better.

The software maker has launched a pilot program in which some visitors to the main Windows download page are being asked to let the software maker check to see whether their copy of the operating system is licensed.

Visitors do not have to partipate in the program to get their downloads. They'll also get their downloads if they do participate and their copy of Windows turns out to be unlicensed. But Microsoft said the program is a first step in trying to provide a better experience for customers using legitimate copies of Windows.

Since the program is optional at this stage, Microsoft expects that most of those who know their software is bogus will not take part.

"I would expect that people who know they are running pirated Windows are going to be very interested to know what we are doing, but they could easily choose to not opt in," said David Lazar, a director in the Windows client unit.

Those whose copies are found not to be genuine will be encouraged to go back to the company from whom they bought the PC or software upgrade. They'll also be given other information on obtaining genuine software before being allowed to download whatever software they were seeking. In its current form, the program offers no particular benefit for those who are running licensed software.

Eventually, Microsoft could make the program mandatory. The company could also prevent those that have unlicensed copies of Windows from downloading software updates on Microsoft's site.

Still, Lazar said, it is a sensitive group of customers Microsoft is targeting with the program--namely, people who bought a computer that they thought had a legitimate copy of Windows, but are somewhat unsure. Microsoft wants those people as customers, so it wants to be sure to treat them kindly, even as the company seeks to encourage legitimate Windows use.

"We've got to pilot the infrastructure," Lazar said. "We're kind of making a value judgment (on whether a copy of Windows is genuine). We want to make sure we get that correct and the experience for everyone is a positive one."

Lazar said Microsoft's goal is to have 20,000 users go through the procedure before deciding how to expand or modify the program, an effort that he estimates could take anywhere from six weeks to three months.

Dubbed the Windows Genuine Advantage, the program is part of Microsoft's overall antipiracy campaign, Lazar said, noting that the company's efforts fall into three categories: education, enforcement and engineering. The new program is part of the company's effort to engineer its software to encourage legitimate use, Lazar said.

The Business Software Alliance, of which Microsoft is a key member, estimates that piracy costs software makers $29 billion annually, although some have taken issue with the means by which the group calculates those figures.

Lazar stressed that Microsoft is not blocking access to any updates, in particular to Windows XP Service Pack 2, which the company is encouraging all customers to upgrade to. The company is not requiring customers to have a genuine copy of Windows to get SP2, though it has blocked a few registration codes that have been known for several years as pirated.

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I am a pc service technician, and just finished restoring a Dell with the win xp on Dells own cd. Of course MS did not validate it and told me to call the computer manufacturer. What BULL is this???... (Read the rest)
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One more method to drive  Linux User 147560 | 09/17/04
exactly  Jeff Spicoli | 09/17/04
I know what you mean  NonZealot | 09/17/04
Better example...You stuff you pocket with jewels  Laff | 09/20/04
Microsoft Certified Professional, Slackware User  m_clarkson | 09/20/04
Hardly...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/04
Wrong term.  cbiltcliffe@... | 09/18/04
I agree with your No-Axe assessment  Aragorn_z | 09/20/04
Who will leave their systems unpatched  lengua99 | 10/24/04
Or  seosamh_z | 09/18/04
..or..  Jeff Spicoli | 09/18/04
Ah but  seosamh_z | 09/18/04
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The straw that breaks the camel's back.  Zogg | 09/17/04
Indeed  karn | 09/17/04
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every pc sold by major manufactures has windows pre-loaded  V Sanders | 09/17/04
And an excellent upgrade you made!  Linux User 147560 | 09/17/04
yeah  V Sanders | 09/17/04
maybe someday IBM  V Sanders | 09/17/04
Read up buddy  mattgilley98@... | 09/18/04
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That's a thought, but  richdave | 09/20/04
Or...  mattgilley98@... | 09/20/04
HP offer Linux Laptop  maxwellatl | 09/17/04
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As I understand it...  Zogg | 09/18/04
Because  DarbyOhara | 09/18/04
Bull feathers  nartoon | 09/20/04
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As in ALL things, buyer beware.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/04
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Touche  voska | 09/20/04
Who said anything about "fault"???  Zogg | 09/19/04
And Dell doesn't give you disks, either  AbsolutelyNot | 09/20/04
Re: Good Faith?  none none | 09/18/04
As a Windows user you would know.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/04
Good faith...  Brasonte | 09/20/04
No Installation Disks  UnknownHacker@... | 09/20/04
Most Store bought PCs don't come with OS disks  voska | 09/20/04
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go buy a copy  blahblahblah | 09/17/04
OEM license  seosamh_z | 09/18/04
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I have the solution.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/04
Re: I have the solution.  none none | 09/18/04
Hmmm, Adobe has done it for two years.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/04
different  ickusslime@... | 09/18/04
I agree, that is the solution..  d_jedi | 09/19/04
If M$ built it more securely  UnknownHacker@... | 09/20/04
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RE: I know what you mean  uno@... | 09/18/04
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that would work....  ickusslime@... | 09/18/04
Won't work  voska | 09/20/04
No Brain to Grind Either  iconoclastt | 01/26/05
That would be a good analogy if only you the criminal  Laff | 09/20/04
Read it again.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/04
So lets talk security then.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/04
Like to hear yourself speak?  cbiltcliffe@... | 09/18/04
as i said before...  ickusslime@... | 09/18/04
Ya knew it would come to this  Squawkbox | 09/17/04
I know what you mean  NonZealot | 09/17/04
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Excellent explanation  DarbyOhara | 09/18/04
STUPID CAR ANALOGIES!!!!  cbiltcliffe@... | 09/18/04
Well DUH!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/04
new viruses will just miss with the registry enteries to make  V Sanders | 09/17/04
nasty  blahblahblah | 09/17/04
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Well there are  Linux User 147560 | 09/17/04
just used windows update  V Sanders | 09/17/04
I guess ms developers are too buzy trying to figure out a way to snoop  V Sanders | 09/17/04
Missed the point...  shadowjk | 09/20/04
Yes  lengua99 | 10/24/04
MS has every right to refuse service to unlicensed users.  George Mitchell | 09/17/04
agreed  blahblahblah | 09/17/04
Of course, they do  John L. Ries | 09/17/04
That depends ...  George Mitchell | 09/18/04
haha- what sufferings  gsbtech | 09/19/04
Credits? BWAA-HAA-HAA!  AbsolutelyNot | 09/20/04
You got that right!  mlynch1234 | 09/20/04
MS has every right to refuse service to unlicensed users.  Zontor_z | 09/20/04
Lowering the price may also reduce piracy  deepsnow | 09/20/04
You can get the OEM copy other ways  wresnick | 09/24/04
Sleepless in Seattle, Brain Dead in Redmond  Chad_z | 09/17/04
I know what you mean  NonZealot | 09/17/04
Dipping into their customers' back pockets because of fading desktop mnpoly  Jeff Spicoli | 09/17/04
I know what you mean  NonZealot | 09/17/04
For Software, the car analogy does not work well.  DonnieBoy | 09/18/04
good point  gsbtech | 09/18/04
Re: I know what you mean  none none | 09/18/04
your analogies stink  iconoclastt | 01/26/05
Fading? Buwahahahahaha  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/04
Great, no more offline downloads.  mobrien_12@... | 09/17/04
Haha!  richarja | 09/17/04
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It's all about revenue, MS doesn't want you to update  gsbtech | 09/18/04
Same reason Open Source doesn't I suppose.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/04
they have  V Sanders | 09/19/04
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man, you got issues  DarbyOhara | 09/18/04
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I know what you mean  NonZealot | 09/18/04
Please!!!.  cbiltcliffe@... | 09/18/04
He's like Mike Cox..  d_jedi | 09/19/04
Give it up already  AbsolutelyNot | 09/20/04
TechDiva..You're Da Bomb happy  eulagree | 09/20/04
It goes more like this:  lengua99 | 10/24/04
Have IP address, will track.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/04
So based upon your theory?  B.O.F.H. | 09/18/04
Simple, thieves are STUPID.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/04
Too technical a question for you?  B.O.F.H. | 09/18/04
I tried (really hard) to make it simple for you.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/04
I think I have you figured out? maybe  B.O.F.H. | 09/18/04
You need SOME intelligence  tgrady | 09/20/04
For tgrady: free for the taking in the "wild"  AbsolutelyNot | 09/20/04
We All Do Stupid Things...  eulagree | 09/19/04
Uhhh... did you forget that most  Linux User 147560 | 09/19/04
Smart Criminals  voska | 09/20/04
Setting logs  tgrady | 09/20/04
But what if the laptop was  Linux User 147560 | 09/20/04
You all missed this...  Blackdog_z | 09/18/04
Yeah, OK!  SmartITGuy | 09/18/04
Piracy is good for Microsoft. They actually encourage it.  DonnieBoy | 09/18/04
MS will not get much sympathy  gsbtech | 09/18/04
But piracy is part of the problem!  George Mitchell | 09/18/04
If I purchase a product - it's mine  gsbtech | 09/18/04
Really?  George Mitchell | 09/18/04
I have to disagree with your analogy  gsbtech | 09/18/04
they are  V Sanders | 09/19/04
SW Licenses  tgrady | 09/20/04
When you change the US Constitution, be sure to tell us.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/04
I give up...  gsbtech | 09/18/04
It may be technically legal to screw your customers in many cases.  DonnieBoy | 09/18/04
One Computer One Single Purchase  ParadigmOdyssey | 09/20/04
Bypassing  AbsolutelyNot | 09/20/04
So how do you use a computer  lengua99 | 10/24/04
PEOPLE WONT USE IT UNLESS......  TekkWise@... | 09/18/04
this will not effect the distributers  gsbtech | 09/18/04
NEWS: WalMart to begin asking for reciept for returned goods.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/04
none of these analogies fit  gsbtech | 09/18/04
WalMart is a government?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/04
heh.. walmart is bigger than some governments.  gsbtech | 09/18/04
Like any corporation with enough money...  AbsolutelyNot | 09/20/04
A good analogy!  AbsolutelyNot | 09/20/04
Car seat  victor@... | 09/20/04
bad analogy  pinback_z | 10/29/04
I agree, good analogy  pinback_z | 10/29/04
Yes, Microsoft has every right, legally.  DonnieBoy | 09/18/04
no-ax, MS WOULD NEVER OFFER A RETURN OF WINDOWS  V Sanders | 09/18/04
I have Lots to return:  UnknownHacker@... | 09/20/04
with WinFS  V Sanders | 09/18/04
Explain that.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/04
if you want me to use it, prove to me it wont be abused  V Sanders | 09/18/04
You've all missed the point  oo7curtis | 09/18/04
Apparently so have you.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/04
not sure but..  gsbtech | 09/18/04
haha - so true  V Sanders | 09/18/04
Bull hockey.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/20/04
not anymore  V Sanders | 09/18/04
Open Office  gsbtech | 09/19/04
Re: Open Office  none none | 09/20/04
Sometimes you don't get to read the EULA  AbsolutelyNot | 09/20/04
In your dreams.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/20/04
Dinosaurs disappear  add7 | 09/20/04
You missed the boat  tgrady | 09/20/04
Doesn't Microsoft Already Include...  eulagree | 09/19/04
Forgot To Mention...  eulagree | 09/19/04
One step closer...  IT_Critic | 09/20/04
Non-problem  JMVella | 09/20/04
MS is a Pusher and Public Utility  TrustMe_z | 09/20/04
Are you serious or being sardonic?  caharts2@... | 01/30/05
browser in the OS, to cut off the Air Supply  educateme@... | 09/20/04
Buy a MAC?  tgrady | 09/20/04
NT  Kerry Lies | 09/20/04
Its Would Be Interesting To Know ..  ParadigmOdyssey | 09/20/04
What about  richdave | 09/20/04
Yes! Microsoft can reach me at...  msdead | 09/24/04
Software theft is like insurance fraud -- it's wrong but seems ok  bstrouss@... | 10/29/04
have licenses, but install using same license  rcd_z | 01/26/05
Software License  hjrich | 01/26/05
Genuine Microsoft software licenses  caharts2@... | 01/30/05
old enough to remember  morwen | 02/03/05
A better idea yet!  EsotericX10@... | 02/05/05
Welcome to check my software license any day  tfuller1@... | 03/03/05
annoyed at activation w/ legit xp  bpryor46 | 04/28/05
XP and Dell  cpumike1 | 06/28/06

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