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By Stephen Shankland
Posted on ZDNet News: Sep 24, 2004 11:45:00 AM

A top Red Hat executive has attacked the open-source credentials of its sometime business partner Sun Microsystems.

In a Web log posting Thursday, Michael Tiemann, Red Hat's vice president of open-source affairs, criticized Sun for its support of software patents and its decision to keep Java a proprietary software.

"If you won't open-source Java, you won't take the right positions on software patents, and you keep doing things that benefit nobody but Microsoft, why should (we) trust what you ask us to do?" Tiemann asked Sun President Jonathan Schwartz.

Michael Tiemann

Tiemann wrote in response to a Schwartz blog posting from earlier in September addressed to the OpenOffice.org community, in which the vocal executive advised: "Please do not listen to the bizarro numbskull anti-Sun conspiracy theorists. They were lunatics then, they are lunatics now, they will always be lunatics. We love the open-source community--we spawned from it. We'll protect that community, that innovation, and our place in it, with all our heart and energy."

Though Sun sells Red Hat's version of Linux on its servers based on Xeon and Opteron chips, it has the Raleigh, N.C.-based rival in its crosshairs. "We are absolutely targeting Red Hat specifically," Schwartz said earlier this week.

Sun derided Tiemann's posting. "It's gratifying to know that Tiemann is a regular reader, but he's just using his Web postings as a marketing vehicle to take theater to the next level," spokesman Noel Hartzell said. "Sun is more than happy to address specific concerns, but we're not going play them out through the media. If people want to address them directly, let's talk about them like civilized business folks."

Tiemann, a pioneer in building a business around open-source software, joined Red Hat in 1999, when the Linux seller acquired his company, Cygnus Solutions. Red Hat has steadfastly produced only open-source software, in contrast to other Linux backers, such as IBM and Novell.

Sun has made major open-source moves, such as releasing its StarOffice competitor to Microsoft Office as the open-source OpenOffice. The Santa Clara, Calif.-based company also plans to make its prized Solaris operating system open-source software by the end of the year. At the same time, it keeps other packages, such as its Java Enterprise System server software, proprietary.

Tiemann said that to the open-source community, actions speak louder than words. He suggested that Sun isn't doing enough to support the collaborative programming philosophy.

"Would you promise that any open-source developer can use any of your patents in open-source code without fear of a lawsuit from you?" Tiemann asked. "Would you create a fund to defend open-source developers against the predatory practice of other patent holders? Would you put your financial muscle and lobbying credibility behind fighting software patents--something our community universally hates because it threatens our ability to innovate?"

One trigger of Tiemann's complaint is an April agreement between Sun and Microsoft that settled lawsuits between the companies. According to a patent agreement, signed in April and filed this month with the Securities and Exchange Commission, Microsoft agreed not to sue Sun for patent infringement in OpenOffice but didn't extend the same agreement to OpenOffice licensees.

"You get what you negotiate for. Sun is showing us they care not at all...about the OpenOffice.org community," Tiemann said in an interview. Sun should have secured such protection, a move that would have paralleled IBM's pledge not to launch patent attacks against the Linux kernel, he said.

"Does IBM know where the Linux kernel is going in the future? No. But they gave an open-ended commitment to provide safe harbor. You'd think with billions of dollars flowing (from Microsoft to Sun), Sun would be able to get a better deal (for) the open-source community," Tiemann said.

Tiemann began his blog in August, but "This is the first time where I felt compelled to respond to Schwartz," he said.

Tiemann had been Red Hat's chief technology officer for years, but he moved into the open-source lobbying and ambassador position several months ago.

"His new role reflects what his interests are, where his top strengths lie. We wanted him to make as much impact as possible," spokeswoman Leigh Day said. For technical leadership, "Right now, we feel like we have our bases covered with three vice presidents of engineering in place."

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funny you should say that...
I would love to be this guy's rep! Oh the money I could make on Mike Cox... get out the check book baby!

Having said that, and being an admin in a next to completely Microsoft shop, I will say... (Read the rest)
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Just warms the heart  FilledOut | 09/24/04
What Hypocrites  htotten | 09/24/04
How dare you point out facts!!!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/24/04
Don't worry  Yagotta B. Kidding | 09/24/04
Excuse my ignorance, but...  Michael Kelly | 09/24/04
Enterprise management.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/24/04
If I'm wrong correct me, but...  Michael Kelly | 09/24/04
No facts here, move along  Yagotta B. Kidding | 09/24/04
They are Both Hypocrites  P. Douglas | 09/24/04
Red Hat is fully committed to Open Source  jwulf | 09/24/04
THANK YOU.  doe_z | 09/24/04
Facts don't belong here  Yagotta B. Kidding | 09/24/04
thank you  sqr(cos(180)) | 09/24/04
What hypocrisy?  Yagotta B. Kidding | 09/24/04
Be quiet  Kamakazii | 09/24/04
What's yours is ours, what's mine is mine.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/24/04
Shudders..  d_jedi | 09/24/04
Walking the talk  Yagotta B. Kidding | 09/24/04
Interesting  michael-t | 09/24/04
Explain  daver_z | 09/24/04
Duh  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 09/24/04
What Microsoft did was try to destroy Java and make it incompatible.  DonnieBoy | 09/24/04
What would open-sourcing Java accomplish?  d_jedi | 09/24/04
Re: What would open-sourcing Java accomplish  P. Douglas | 09/24/04
Oh, I get it...  d_jedi | 09/24/04
It would imediately be distributed with every Linux/Unix distribution.  DonnieBoy | 09/25/04
Been there, done that  Yagotta B. Kidding | 09/24/04
You presume wrong  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 09/24/04
Red Hat exec takes Sun to task on open source  Loverock Davidson | 09/24/04
Sun attacked RH in a blog first  rpmyers1 | 09/24/04
My bad  Loverock Davidson | 09/24/04
Sun has been at it....  doe_z | 09/25/04
No carte blanche for patent infringement  d_jedi | 09/24/04
Isn't competition great!!  DonnieBoy | 09/24/04
Are all open source people whiners? (NT)  NonZealot | 09/24/04
Just two companies competing, nothing more.  DonnieBoy | 09/24/04
Some truth  Harry Butts | 09/24/04
???  AZflyman | 09/25/04
Schwartz is a Real Sentimental Guy  P. Douglas | 09/24/04
one to talk  V Sanders | 09/24/04
Two companies going the way of the dinosaur  Mike Cox | 09/24/04
Ha!  daver_z | 09/24/04
Re: "My rep delivered me" . . .  Plain Logic | 09/24/04
Mike Cox  sqr(cos(180)) | 09/24/04
Get over this sun/M$ thing please... Its way too old  edward@... | 09/25/04
Love those Virus  AZflyman | 09/25/04
8.0  CobraA1 | 09/26/04
You can have it.  djc1309@... | 09/27/04
funny you should say that...  john.gruber@... | 09/28/04
Just got some Office 2003 source code  Mike Cox | 09/24/04
Was one of the "critical Office functions" . . .  Plain Logic | 09/24/04
Sounds like Sun Started it  daver_z | 09/24/04
re : Duh  V Sanders | 09/25/04
What is the point  Darkintent | 09/26/04

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