Dumb
Jeff Spicoli | 12/22/04
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now?!?
eLurker | 12/22/04
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i left out
eLurker | 12/22/04
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But corporations do NOT want Media Player.
DonnieBoy | 12/22/04
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and there
eLurker | 12/22/04
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I think OEMs would also love the oportunity to feature other products.
DonnieBoy | 12/22/04
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it will be interesting to see
eLurker | 12/22/04
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True...but having MS put in a positioin to spend more
Laff | 12/23/04
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No, the beauty is that Microsoft can not do that.
DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
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i dont see it
eLurker | 12/23/04
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If MS paid OEMs to install MediaPlayer, that would be charging less!!!!!!!!
DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
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dude, you arent getting it
eLurker | 12/23/04
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Donnieboy
CO_TechGuy | 12/23/04
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No, they can NOT offer a version with Media Player for less. Period.
DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
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well
eLurker | 12/23/04
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Man, if they allowed what you are talking about, they could make the
DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
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no
eLurker | 12/23/04
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Do Not Want?
richhayes | 12/23/04
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Well, you hit the nail on the head. Companies should be able to choose.
DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
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Not universally true...
Confused by religion | 12/23/04
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But not all want the added patch/support/upgrade costs.
DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
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Holy cow!
CO_TechGuy | 12/22/04
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WMP-less Version of Windows Costs MS More
P. Douglas | 12/22/04
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Only costs more because of poor design.
DonnieBoy | 12/22/04
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Dream On
P. Douglas | 12/22/04
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Am I missing something?
Spoon Jabber | 12/22/04
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yes
eLurker | 12/22/04
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Thanks,
Spoon Jabber | 12/22/04
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i am not sure
eLurker | 12/22/04
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CD Player?
Spoon Jabber | 12/23/04
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eLurker and Spoon Jabber
rapson | 12/23/04
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You are right, and OEMs usually support Windows as well.
DonnieBoy | 12/22/04
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Exactly!
systemcleaner | 12/22/04
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Missing
richhayes | 12/23/04
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It was Microsofts choice to make another version.
DonnieBoy | 12/22/04
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it seems
eLurker | 12/22/04
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Right, but they could make the install disks the same.
DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
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the law
eLurker | 12/23/04
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No, the law existed, they just had not been charged yet.
DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
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could you
eLurker | 12/23/04
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Go read all of the law if you want. The basic idea is:
DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
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perhaps
eLurker | 12/23/04
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Go argue the law with the court of first instance. To the rest of us, it is
DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
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no need
eLurker | 12/23/04
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What i don't get...
Monkey_MCSE | 12/23/04
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They have to offer a version that DOES NOT INCLUDE Media Player.
DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
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MS charges Thailand less, but not EU, for restriced versions... LIARS !!!
Plain Logic | 12/22/04
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I agree.
systemcleaner | 12/22/04
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it was
eLurker | 12/22/04
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Lie.. how so?
d_jedi | 12/22/04
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Does it really cost more money to develop it?
Jeff Spicoli | 12/23/04
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Once again...
rapson | 12/23/04
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It was a joke Carl
Jeff Spicoli | 12/23/04
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d_jedi | 12/23/04
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Liars?
richhayes | 12/23/04
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How is that lying?
rapson | 12/23/04
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Does it really cost more money to develop it?
Jeff Spicoli | 12/23/04
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Yes it does
P. Douglas | 12/23/04
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Poor design
voska | 12/23/04
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you need to provide more information to prove your point
hipparchus2000 | 12/24/04
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Sorry, you're wrong - read the story.
Fred Fredrickson | 12/25/04
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Windows cheaper?
ZAK706 | 12/22/04
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Nevermind
ZAK706 | 12/22/04
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Not sure if negative name is ok.
DonnieBoy | 12/22/04
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ah, but
eLurker | 12/22/04
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Not if they are intentionaly making one product sound bad.
DonnieBoy | 12/22/04
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what they have made sound bad
eLurker | 12/22/04
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Come on
dave95 | 12/22/04
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Re: Come On
sullivanjc | 12/23/04
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where are we going?
eLurker | 12/23/04
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Well, "Windows Crippled" would get them in hot water.
DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
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i still disagree
eLurker | 12/23/04
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They can not do anything to make the other version less desirable.
DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
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wrong
eLurker | 12/23/04
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Man, it has to be equivalent. If they put up warnings telling you
DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
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still wrong
eLurker | 12/23/04
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No, it has to be equivalent. A name implying it won't work would
DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
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please post
eLurker | 12/23/04
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The software is not equivalent,
CO_TechGuy | 12/23/04
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Man, if you think Microsoft can do anything they want to flaunt the ruling
DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
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sheesh
eLurker | 12/23/04
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additionally
eLurker | 12/23/04
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Did I miss something?
richhayes | 12/23/04
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No, they do NOT have to install Real, but OEMs will ship with something
DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
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obvious choice
richhayes | 12/24/04
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but whatever OEMs install will be able to be UNINSTALLED
JasonL31 | 12/26/04
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We're missing the bigger picture here.
sandbag150 | 12/22/04
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None of those things gives monopoly leverage
Spoon Jabber | 12/22/04
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YOU are missing the 'big picture'...
jtwing | 12/22/04
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Interesting
richhayes | 12/23/04
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Analogy way off the mark
Outside T. Box | 12/23/04
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all analogys fail
eLurker | 12/23/04
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McDonalds does not have a monoploly on burgers, and even if they did,
DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
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This could open up bigger problems
theido@... | 12/27/04
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And they said that it couldn't be done!
PCcritic | 12/22/04
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Not quite
rapson | 12/23/04
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Rapson continues with his Microsoft dill.
systemcleaner | 12/23/04
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i hate to do it
eLurker | 12/23/04
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Blah, blah, blah,... eLurker - the sequel to Bitty No_Ax.
systemcleaner | 12/24/04
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yes
eLurker | 12/25/04
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He meant Merry Winter Solstice....:)
Laff | 12/28/04
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no i didnt
eLurker | 12/29/04
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And now it is all apparent that it was all about Microsoft lies.
systemcleaner | 12/23/04
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Easy solution ...
George Mitchell | 12/22/04
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Unfortunately...
John Le'Brecage | 12/22/04
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Good points ...
George Mitchell | 12/22/04
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Real should also think about paying OEMs to pre-install their software.
DonnieBoy | 12/22/04
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not following your math
eLurker | 12/22/04
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No, Microsoft can not pay OEMs to sell the version with Media Player.
DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
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nope, still not adding up
eLurker | 12/23/04
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Might Quicktime also be in the running?
Laff | 12/23/04
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Anyway you look at it, Microsoft would give them a deal to sell with MP.
DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
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well, thanks
eLurker | 12/23/04
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DB
CO_TechGuy | 12/23/04
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Guys, any way that they make the version with WMP cheaper would'nt be legal
DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
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sigh
eLurker | 12/23/04
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Pay for media player
richhayes | 12/23/04
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Yes, Microsoft can offer Media Player as a download, free or paid.
DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
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and...
eLurker | 12/23/04
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Man, think about what you are saying. With Media player, it can NOT cost
DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
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no, what i am saying
eLurker | 12/23/04
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The Europeans are not stupid, they will NOT alow slight of hand tricks.
DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
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i would imagine
eLurker | 12/23/04
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Again, the Europeans are not that stupid, they know all the tricks.
DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
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but they *havent*
eLurker | 12/23/04
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Right, MS can do anything they want as long as:
DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
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and
eLurker | 12/23/04
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profit
richhayes | 12/24/04
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Let nature run its course
theido@... | 12/27/04
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Message has been deleted.
chiwawa | 12/22/04
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Not required
rapson | 12/23/04
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Brad Smith forgets.... or does he?
John Le'Brecage | 12/22/04
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You're not suggesting
Spoon Jabber | 12/22/04
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Technically, he is correct...
Confused by religion | 12/22/04
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requirement?
John Le'Brecage | 12/23/04
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Double standards are no surprise
Fred Fredrickson | 12/25/04
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don't forget tripple dipping
JasonL31 | 12/26/04
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whoops
JasonL31 | 12/26/04
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Neither..
d_jedi | 12/22/04
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Value?
John Le'Brecage | 12/23/04
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re: value
eLurker | 12/23/04
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I quite agree....
John Le'Brecage | 12/23/04
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Unknown
richhayes | 12/23/04
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You know I think scaled back Windows could backfire
voska | 12/23/04
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It's neither really
trlauer | 12/23/04
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It's neither really
trlauer | 12/23/04
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Crippled Windows.
Anton Philidor | 12/25/04
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Reduced Woes Edition...
michael-t | 12/22/04
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Microsoft treats others like they are all stupid.
systemcleaner | 12/22/04
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re:
eLurker | 12/22/04
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Well..
Jeff Spicoli | 12/23/04
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'Little guy'?
rapson | 12/23/04
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Message has been deleted.
Jeff Spicoli | 12/23/04
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Wow Jeff....Tell you what instead of those reather
Laff | 12/23/04
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Wow Jeff
dave95 | 12/23/04
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i am reminded...
eLurker | 12/23/04
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My question is this...IF the rich pay more, do they
Laff | 12/23/04
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my question to you
eLurker | 12/23/04
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E as far as I can tell about corporatiions ie CEO's, owners
Laff | 12/26/04
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my point is
eLurker | 12/26/04
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I doubt this situation can be changed in any fashion
Laff | 12/26/04
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what is your point?
systemcleaner | 12/23/04
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what on earth is your problem?
eLurker | 12/23/04
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Yeah
rapson | 12/24/04
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Don't know?
systemcleaner | 12/24/04
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Can you remember what you wrote?
systemcleaner | 12/24/04
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you have really crossed the line
eLurker | 12/25/04
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Weirdo
systemcleaner | 12/25/04
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big mouth.
systemcleaner | 12/25/04
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nwor
eLurker | 12/25/04
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Replacements are more secure?
Rodney Davis | 12/23/04
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Phone call for No_Ax!
Spoon Jabber | 12/22/04
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No_Ax Only "Selectively" Responds To Stories
itanalyst | 12/23/04
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it is also possible
eLurker | 12/23/04
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Psst... an open secret...
John Le'Brecage | 12/23/04
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lol
eLurker | 12/23/04
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Too bad you did not recall or did you pretend?
systemcleaner | 12/23/04
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you, sir
eLurker | 12/23/04
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It's easy...
rapson | 12/24/04
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Dill
Jeff Spicoli | 12/24/04
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I knew that...
rapson | 12/24/04
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you know
eLurker | 12/25/04
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I'm with you, eLurker
rapson | 12/27/04
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you, sir really have problems.
systemcleaner | 12/24/04
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nwor
eLurker | 12/25/04
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What was not reported by ZEDNUT
Squawkbox | 12/22/04
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How this is fair to any company
hipparchus2000 | 12/26/04
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Can you explain how
Commonsenseiseverything | 12/26/04
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that was IE that couldn't be removed
ctk76 | 12/22/04
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Try LitePC
Spoon Jabber | 12/23/04
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This makes sense..
d_jedi | 12/23/04
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I wonder... (not really)
John Le'Brecage | 12/23/04
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Can you say SPYWARE? ADWARE?
Rodney Davis | 12/23/04
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Some will...I'm sure. Some will not and that is the
Laff | 12/23/04
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Price trumps all in commodity market
Rodney Davis | 12/23/04
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I will grant you about the whole clue thing..but if
Laff | 12/23/04
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Yes there is...
Rodney Davis | 12/23/04
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Well you may be right "IF" a spyware/addware company
Laff | 12/23/04
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Even reputable computer makers...
Rodney Davis | 12/23/04
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Granted but if the theory of competition hold then
Laff | 12/27/04
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sure they will
JasonL31 | 12/26/04
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there are plent of OEMs to choose from
JasonL31 | 12/26/04
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One thing we can all agree on...
Salman Pak | 12/23/04
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Well in theory one might NEVER know. After all
Laff | 12/23/04
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Sue the real monopoly: Apple Corporation
Da-Man | 12/23/04
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Heh heh heh. Technically Apple has tons of competition.
Laff | 12/23/04
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But...
rapson | 12/23/04
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Actually MS used Apple as an example that it still
Laff | 12/23/04
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re:
eLurker | 12/23/04
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To tell the truth I do not know.
Laff | 12/23/04
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it is hard to say
eLurker | 12/23/04
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I think we agree and yet disagree here butt hat is normal
Laff | 12/23/04
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definitely normal enough
eLurker | 12/23/04
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I would agree in part
FilledOut | 12/24/04
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The EU shot themselve's in the foot?
Commonsenseiseverything | 12/23/04
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Care to break that into sentences and paragraphs?
John Le'Brecage | 12/23/04
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A new style...
rapson | 12/24/04
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More like Paradigm Oddessey
Confused by religion | 12/24/04
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Sorry you had a hard time with it.
Commonsenseiseverything | 12/24/04
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heh heh heh ...You think YOU have problems with writing
Laff | 12/26/04
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John Le'Brecage seemed to have a hard time
Commonsenseiseverything | 12/26/04
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No, it won't be like that
seosamh_z | 12/24/04
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Sure it will.
Commonsenseiseverything | 12/24/04
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Also keep in mind
Commonsenseiseverything | 12/24/04
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There's your problem
rapson | 12/24/04
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I am just looking at it from Microsoft's view point.
Commonsenseiseverything | 12/24/04
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I understand...
rapson | 12/24/04
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what drivel
hipparchus2000 | 12/26/04
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he is just mad
JasonL31 | 12/26/04
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You don't seem to understand multimedia in Windows.
Commonsenseiseverything | 12/26/04
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how?
JasonL31 | 12/26/04
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how is the right question I think.
Commonsenseiseverything | 12/26/04
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Many media players have their own codecs.
B.O.F.H. | 12/27/04
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Doesn't realy matter.
Commonsenseiseverything | 12/27/04
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Don't worry, Microsoft will find a way to make this work!
B.O.F.H. | 12/27/04
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Sorry, you lost me.
Commonsenseiseverything | 12/27/04
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interesting
CobraA1 | 12/25/04
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what is sad is
JasonL31 | 12/26/04
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Why is it sad?
Commonsenseiseverything | 12/26/04
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Well it's not like theft is unique to any nation or nations
Laff | 12/27/04
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ACE Codecs Pack (bundles Media Player Classic)
GreatInca | 01/31/05
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If you don't like DRM don't use Windows Media Player
GreatInca | 01/31/05
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