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Posted on ZDNet News: Dec 22, 2004 11:47:00 PM

Less is less.

Microsoft seemed to put that message right into the name of its latest Windows version: Windows XP Reduced Media Edition.

Ordered by European regulators to sell a version of Windows without a built-in media player and denied a stay on Wednesday from an appeals court, Microsoft said it will deliver both Home and Professional versions of the scaled-back operating system to computer makers in January. The Reduced Media editions will be available only in Europe.

Microsoft group product manager Matt Pilla said the company wanted to be as clear as possible about what customers are--or aren't--getting. "As descriptive as we can be in the name, to reduce confusion, the better," Pilla said.

In addition to lacking a copy of Windows Media Player, the new version of Windows won't be able to do things like play a CD or MP3 file or transfer music to a portable device--at least not without additional software from another company. Among the limited media features that do remain are the ability to play .wav files using Sound Recorder as well as a moviemaking program that is separate from Windows Media Player.

"This is the first time we are being required to offer to consumers a version of Windows that provides them with less value rather than more," Microsoft general counsel Brad Smith said in an interview Wednesday.

Customers who opt for the media-player-free version won't be getting a bargain. The EU ordered that Microsoft couldn't charge more for the version sans player, but it didn't say that Microsoft had to charge less.

"I am anticipating that it will be offered on exactly the terms that the court's--I should say that the commission's--decision permits it to be offered, which is the same price as the version of Windows that we offer today," Smith said during a conference call with reporters.

Those who do want the version will also have to head to Europe, as Microsoft said it does not plan to offer the software elsewhere.

"We have no plans to offer this version of Windows outside of the European Economic Area at this time, and I don't expect we'll have any such plans in the future," Smith told reporters. The EEA includes the European Union countries as well as Switzerland and Norway.

Smith said Microsoft has been working on developing the stripped-down version of Windows in advance of Wednesday's ruling.

"We've had technical teams working very hard over a series of months now on all of those steps, and there will be some additional work for the final stages of testing this additional version of Windows, but I think it's fair to say that most of the technical work is behind us," Smith said. "We do have some final stages ahead."

Microsoft said that all of the things that are supposed to work do work, though it still expects support calls from customers expecting features that aren't there.

"There's things that a customer is going to expect that won't work," said Dave Fester, general manager of Microsoft's Windows consumer unit, in an interview. "Customers (using) all operating systems have come to expect certain base functionality, whether it is Windows, Mac or Linux."

Smith did not say what the exact price tag will be for complying with the EU order, but did say "It's not the kind of cost figure that one would consider to be material for a company the size of Microsoft."

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Dumb  Jeff Spicoli | 12/22/04
now?!?  eLurker | 12/22/04
i left out  eLurker | 12/22/04
But corporations do NOT want Media Player.  DonnieBoy | 12/22/04
and there  eLurker | 12/22/04
I think OEMs would also love the oportunity to feature other products.  DonnieBoy | 12/22/04
it will be interesting to see  eLurker | 12/22/04
True...but having MS put in a positioin to spend more  Laff | 12/23/04
No, the beauty is that Microsoft can not do that.  DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
i dont see it  eLurker | 12/23/04
If MS paid OEMs to install MediaPlayer, that would be charging less!!!!!!!!  DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
dude, you arent getting it  eLurker | 12/23/04
Donnieboy  CO_TechGuy | 12/23/04
No, they can NOT offer a version with Media Player for less. Period.  DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
well  eLurker | 12/23/04
Man, if they allowed what you are talking about, they could make the  DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
no  eLurker | 12/23/04
Do Not Want?  richhayes | 12/23/04
Well, you hit the nail on the head. Companies should be able to choose.  DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
Not universally true...  Confused by religion | 12/23/04
But not all want the added patch/support/upgrade costs.  DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
Holy cow!  CO_TechGuy | 12/22/04
WMP-less Version of Windows Costs MS More  P. Douglas | 12/22/04
Only costs more because of poor design.  DonnieBoy | 12/22/04
Dream On  P. Douglas | 12/22/04
Am I missing something?  Spoon Jabber | 12/22/04
yes  eLurker | 12/22/04
Thanks,  Spoon Jabber | 12/22/04
i am not sure  eLurker | 12/22/04
CD Player?  Spoon Jabber | 12/23/04
eLurker and Spoon Jabber  rapson | 12/23/04
You are right, and OEMs usually support Windows as well.  DonnieBoy | 12/22/04
Exactly!  systemcleaner | 12/22/04
Missing  richhayes | 12/23/04
It was Microsofts choice to make another version.  DonnieBoy | 12/22/04
it seems  eLurker | 12/22/04
Right, but they could make the install disks the same.  DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
the law  eLurker | 12/23/04
No, the law existed, they just had not been charged yet.  DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
could you  eLurker | 12/23/04
Go read all of the law if you want. The basic idea is:  DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
perhaps  eLurker | 12/23/04
Go argue the law with the court of first instance. To the rest of us, it is  DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
no need  eLurker | 12/23/04
What i don't get...  Monkey_MCSE | 12/23/04
They have to offer a version that DOES NOT INCLUDE Media Player.  DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
MS charges Thailand less, but not EU, for restriced versions... LIARS !!!  Plain Logic | 12/22/04
I agree.  systemcleaner | 12/22/04
it was  eLurker | 12/22/04
Lie.. how so?  d_jedi | 12/22/04
Does it really cost more money to develop it?  Jeff Spicoli | 12/23/04
Once again...  rapson | 12/23/04
It was a joke Carl  Jeff Spicoli | 12/23/04
 d_jedi | 12/23/04
Liars?  richhayes | 12/23/04
How is that lying?  rapson | 12/23/04
Does it really cost more money to develop it?  Jeff Spicoli | 12/23/04
Yes it does  P. Douglas | 12/23/04
Poor design  voska | 12/23/04
you need to provide more information to prove your point  hipparchus2000 | 12/24/04
Sorry, you're wrong - read the story.  Fred Fredrickson | 12/25/04
Windows cheaper?  ZAK706 | 12/22/04
Nevermind  ZAK706 | 12/22/04
Not sure if negative name is ok.  DonnieBoy | 12/22/04
ah, but  eLurker | 12/22/04
Not if they are intentionaly making one product sound bad.  DonnieBoy | 12/22/04
what they have made sound bad  eLurker | 12/22/04
Come on  dave95 | 12/22/04
Re: Come On  sullivanjc | 12/23/04
where are we going?  eLurker | 12/23/04
Well, "Windows Crippled" would get them in hot water.  DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
i still disagree  eLurker | 12/23/04
They can not do anything to make the other version less desirable.  DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
wrong  eLurker | 12/23/04
Man, it has to be equivalent. If they put up warnings telling you  DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
still wrong  eLurker | 12/23/04
No, it has to be equivalent. A name implying it won't work would  DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
please post  eLurker | 12/23/04
The software is not equivalent,  CO_TechGuy | 12/23/04
Man, if you think Microsoft can do anything they want to flaunt the ruling  DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
sheesh  eLurker | 12/23/04
additionally  eLurker | 12/23/04
Did I miss something?  richhayes | 12/23/04
No, they do NOT have to install Real, but OEMs will ship with something  DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
obvious choice  richhayes | 12/24/04
but whatever OEMs install will be able to be UNINSTALLED  JasonL31 | 12/26/04
We're missing the bigger picture here.  sandbag150 | 12/22/04
None of those things gives monopoly leverage  Spoon Jabber | 12/22/04
YOU are missing the 'big picture'...  jtwing | 12/22/04
Interesting  richhayes | 12/23/04
Analogy way off the mark  Outside T. Box | 12/23/04
all analogys fail  eLurker | 12/23/04
McDonalds does not have a monoploly on burgers, and even if they did,  DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
This could open up bigger problems  theido@... | 12/27/04
And they said that it couldn't be done!  PCcritic | 12/22/04
Not quite  rapson | 12/23/04
Rapson continues with his Microsoft dill.  systemcleaner | 12/23/04
i hate to do it  eLurker | 12/23/04
Blah, blah, blah,... eLurker - the sequel to Bitty No_Ax.  systemcleaner | 12/24/04
yes  eLurker | 12/25/04
He meant Merry Winter Solstice....:)  Laff | 12/28/04
no i didnt  eLurker | 12/29/04
And now it is all apparent that it was all about Microsoft lies.  systemcleaner | 12/23/04
Easy solution ...  George Mitchell | 12/22/04
Unfortunately...  John Le'Brecage | 12/22/04
Good points ...  George Mitchell | 12/22/04
Real should also think about paying OEMs to pre-install their software.  DonnieBoy | 12/22/04
not following your math  eLurker | 12/22/04
No, Microsoft can not pay OEMs to sell the version with Media Player.  DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
nope, still not adding up  eLurker | 12/23/04
Might Quicktime also be in the running?  Laff | 12/23/04
Anyway you look at it, Microsoft would give them a deal to sell with MP.  DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
well, thanks  eLurker | 12/23/04
DB  CO_TechGuy | 12/23/04
Guys, any way that they make the version with WMP cheaper would'nt be legal  DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
sigh  eLurker | 12/23/04
Pay for media player  richhayes | 12/23/04
Yes, Microsoft can offer Media Player as a download, free or paid.  DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
and...  eLurker | 12/23/04
Man, think about what you are saying. With Media player, it can NOT cost  DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
no, what i am saying  eLurker | 12/23/04
The Europeans are not stupid, they will NOT alow slight of hand tricks.  DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
i would imagine  eLurker | 12/23/04
Again, the Europeans are not that stupid, they know all the tricks.  DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
but they *havent*  eLurker | 12/23/04
Right, MS can do anything they want as long as:  DonnieBoy | 12/23/04
and  eLurker | 12/23/04
profit  richhayes | 12/24/04
Let nature run its course  theido@... | 12/27/04
Message has been deleted.  chiwawa | 12/22/04
Not required  rapson | 12/23/04
Brad Smith forgets.... or does he?  John Le'Brecage | 12/22/04
You're not suggesting  Spoon Jabber | 12/22/04
Technically, he is correct...  Confused by religion | 12/22/04
requirement?  John Le'Brecage | 12/23/04
Double standards are no surprise  Fred Fredrickson | 12/25/04
don't forget tripple dipping  JasonL31 | 12/26/04
whoops  JasonL31 | 12/26/04
Neither..  d_jedi | 12/22/04
Value?  John Le'Brecage | 12/23/04
re: value  eLurker | 12/23/04
I quite agree....  John Le'Brecage | 12/23/04
Unknown  richhayes | 12/23/04
You know I think scaled back Windows could backfire  voska | 12/23/04
It's neither really  trlauer | 12/23/04
It's neither really  trlauer | 12/23/04
Crippled Windows.  Anton Philidor | 12/25/04
Reduced Woes Edition...  michael-t | 12/22/04
Microsoft treats others like they are all stupid.  systemcleaner | 12/22/04
re:  eLurker | 12/22/04
Well..  Jeff Spicoli | 12/23/04
'Little guy'?  rapson | 12/23/04
Message has been deleted.  Jeff Spicoli | 12/23/04
Wow Jeff....Tell you what instead of those reather  Laff | 12/23/04
Wow Jeff  dave95 | 12/23/04
i am reminded...  eLurker | 12/23/04
My question is this...IF the rich pay more, do they  Laff | 12/23/04
my question to you  eLurker | 12/23/04
E as far as I can tell about corporatiions ie CEO's, owners  Laff | 12/26/04
my point is  eLurker | 12/26/04
I doubt this situation can be changed in any fashion  Laff | 12/26/04
what is your point?  systemcleaner | 12/23/04
what on earth is your problem?  eLurker | 12/23/04
Yeah  rapson | 12/24/04
Don't know?  systemcleaner | 12/24/04
Can you remember what you wrote?  systemcleaner | 12/24/04
you have really crossed the line  eLurker | 12/25/04
Weirdo  systemcleaner | 12/25/04
big mouth.  systemcleaner | 12/25/04
nwor  eLurker | 12/25/04
Replacements are more secure?  Rodney Davis | 12/23/04
Phone call for No_Ax!  Spoon Jabber | 12/22/04
No_Ax Only "Selectively" Responds To Stories  itanalyst | 12/23/04
it is also possible  eLurker | 12/23/04
Psst... an open secret...  John Le'Brecage | 12/23/04
lol  eLurker | 12/23/04
Too bad you did not recall or did you pretend?  systemcleaner | 12/23/04
you, sir  eLurker | 12/23/04
It's easy...  rapson | 12/24/04
Dill  Jeff Spicoli | 12/24/04
I knew that...  rapson | 12/24/04
you know  eLurker | 12/25/04
I'm with you, eLurker  rapson | 12/27/04
you, sir really have problems.  systemcleaner | 12/24/04
nwor  eLurker | 12/25/04
What was not reported by ZEDNUT  Squawkbox | 12/22/04
How this is fair to any company  hipparchus2000 | 12/26/04
Can you explain how  Commonsenseiseverything | 12/26/04
that was IE that couldn't be removed  ctk76 | 12/22/04
Try LitePC  Spoon Jabber | 12/23/04
This makes sense..  d_jedi | 12/23/04
I wonder... (not really)  John Le'Brecage | 12/23/04
Can you say SPYWARE? ADWARE?  Rodney Davis | 12/23/04
Some will...I'm sure. Some will not and that is the  Laff | 12/23/04
Price trumps all in commodity market  Rodney Davis | 12/23/04
I will grant you about the whole clue thing..but if  Laff | 12/23/04
Yes there is...  Rodney Davis | 12/23/04
Well you may be right "IF" a spyware/addware company  Laff | 12/23/04
Even reputable computer makers...  Rodney Davis | 12/23/04
Granted but if the theory of competition hold then  Laff | 12/27/04
sure they will  JasonL31 | 12/26/04
there are plent of OEMs to choose from  JasonL31 | 12/26/04
One thing we can all agree on...  Salman Pak | 12/23/04
Well in theory one might NEVER know. After all  Laff | 12/23/04
Sue the real monopoly: Apple Corporation  Da-Man | 12/23/04
Heh heh heh. Technically Apple has tons of competition.  Laff | 12/23/04
But...  rapson | 12/23/04
Actually MS used Apple as an example that it still  Laff | 12/23/04
re:  eLurker | 12/23/04
To tell the truth I do not know.  Laff | 12/23/04
it is hard to say  eLurker | 12/23/04
I think we agree and yet disagree here butt hat is normal  Laff | 12/23/04
definitely normal enough  eLurker | 12/23/04
I would agree in part  FilledOut | 12/24/04
The EU shot themselve's in the foot?  Commonsenseiseverything | 12/23/04
Care to break that into sentences and paragraphs?  John Le'Brecage | 12/23/04
A new style...  rapson | 12/24/04
More like Paradigm Oddessey  Confused by religion | 12/24/04
Sorry you had a hard time with it.  Commonsenseiseverything | 12/24/04
heh heh heh ...You think YOU have problems with writing  Laff | 12/26/04
John Le'Brecage seemed to have a hard time  Commonsenseiseverything | 12/26/04
No, it won't be like that  seosamh_z | 12/24/04
Sure it will.  Commonsenseiseverything | 12/24/04
Also keep in mind  Commonsenseiseverything | 12/24/04
There's your problem  rapson | 12/24/04
I am just looking at it from Microsoft's view point.  Commonsenseiseverything | 12/24/04
I understand...  rapson | 12/24/04
what drivel  hipparchus2000 | 12/26/04
he is just mad  JasonL31 | 12/26/04
You don't seem to understand multimedia in Windows.  Commonsenseiseverything | 12/26/04
how?  JasonL31 | 12/26/04
how is the right question I think.  Commonsenseiseverything | 12/26/04
Many media players have their own codecs.  B.O.F.H. | 12/27/04
Doesn't realy matter.  Commonsenseiseverything | 12/27/04
Don't worry, Microsoft will find a way to make this work!  B.O.F.H. | 12/27/04
Sorry, you lost me.  Commonsenseiseverything | 12/27/04
interesting  CobraA1 | 12/25/04
what is sad is  JasonL31 | 12/26/04
Why is it sad?  Commonsenseiseverything | 12/26/04
Well it's not like theft is unique to any nation or nations  Laff | 12/27/04
ACE Codecs Pack (bundles Media Player Classic) happy  GreatInca | 01/31/05
If you don't like DRM don't use Windows Media Player  GreatInca | 01/31/05

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