On TV.com: BATTLESTAR Galactica Maxim Photoshoot
BNET Business Network:
BNET
TechRepublic
ZDNet

By Stephen Shankland
Posted on ZDNet News: May 10, 2005 7:37:00 PM

The chief executives of Microsoft and Red Hat held a private meeting in New York, CNET News.com has learned, an indication that relations between the rivals might be warming.

Microsoft's Steve Ballmer and Red Hat's Matthew Szulik met for more than an hour at a McCormick & Schmick's restaurant in New York in late March, sources familiar with the situation said. Microsoft initiated the meeting, one source indicated.

Red Hat declined to comment for this story. But Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates, although not commenting on the Ballmer-Szulik get-together, said in an interview Monday that Microsoft is interested in meeting with open-source companies.

"There are some of those (open source) players that are looking at commercial-type revenues. We'll certainly spend time with those people to see what we have in common and what we can do for customers together," Gates said. However, he added, "I wouldn't say that there is some big, new development."

Microsoft generally favors proprietary software whose underlying source code is a closely controlled secret. Red Hat, on the other hand, supports open-source programming, in which source code may be freely seen, modified and redistributed by anyone. The company's chief product, Red Hat Enterprise Linux, is arguably the most successful example of an open-source project being packaged for commercial sale.

Microsoft has shown no signs of losing its aggressive competitiveness, but it has been willing to work with rivals of late. One notable example was a detente with Sun Microsystems in April 2004 that settled Sun's antitrust suit and led to deals to share patents and make sure that the companies' products interoperate.

Microsoft also has settled antitrust matters with software maker Burst.com, Novell and Time Warner's America Online.

Open-source software efforts once were a fringe phenomenon, chiefly of interest to students and technical experts. Now, however, several open-source projects have become forces to be reckoned with, often having a corporation backing them.

Projects that compete directly with Microsoft's products include not just server software such as Apache, MySQL and JBoss, but also include desktop software such as OpenOffice.org.

Meetings between competitors' high-level executives aren't unheard-of. But Microsoft and Red Hat aren't just competitors for selling operating systems--they also are opposed on the issue of software philosophy.

Even though Microsoft has embraced the ideas of having an active developer community, it has long criticized the General Public License that underlies Linux. In some cases, executives have called it "Pac-Man-like" and a "cancer." The license requires that software derived from a GPL program also be covered by the GPL, a provision Microsoft and others have termed "viral."

Despite some attacks on open-source programming, Microsoft has tried to take a more conciliatory stance in recent years. It has tried instead to argue that open-source software is inferior to its own products on the basis of cost, features and legal protections through its "Get the Facts" campaign.

Red Hat hasn't pulled any punches either.

In a 2001 speech, Red Hat's chief technology officer at the time, Michael Tiemann, disparaged Microsoft's shared-source initiative, which aims to emulate some of the principles of the open-source and free-software movements but that often doesn't give programmers as many rights to source code.

"It is not so much a license, I think, as it is a treaty crafted by executives trying to buy time while they quiet the internal rebellion that is Microsoft's own civil war," Tiemann said.

SponsoredWhite Papers, Webcasts, and Downloads

  • Talkback
  • Most Recent of 41 Talkback(s)
That will never happen
Not with Red Hat at least. Contrary to what people think, all Red Hat's code base is GPL'ed, there is NOT a single package that has a doubtious stand against the GPL, BSD or any other valid FLOSS lice... (Read the rest)
Posted by: thetargos Posted on: 05/12/05 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
In other news...  DebianDog | 05/10/05
Not shocking  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/10/05
Well, they do have piracy in common.  Anton Philidor | 05/10/05
While..  vdraken | 05/10/05
Interesting.  doe_z | 05/10/05
They are really only trying to figure out how to fight this animal  DonnieBoy | 05/10/05
Bill Gates's explanation sounds plausible.  Anton Philidor | 05/10/05
but when msft speaks there's...  Arm A. Geddon | 05/10/05
Sounds like Microsoft is trying to find out more about this animal.  DonnieBoy | 05/10/05
A Microsoft-Red Hat warming trend?1  Loverock Davidson | 05/10/05
Microsoft is just gathering information for the attack.  DonnieBoy | 05/10/05
And who says  Michael Kelly | 05/10/05
True, Red Hat is no slouch, and MS knows they can't destroy the source.  DonnieBoy | 05/10/05
Another thing, RH does not want to throw the first stone at a sceaming  DonnieBoy | 05/10/05
I have no problems with that  Loverock Davidson | 05/10/05
The probem for Microsoft, there is no Linux to kill.  DonnieBoy | 05/10/05
I wouldn't be surprised ...  George Mitchell | 05/10/05
Let's think about this ...  Henaway | 05/10/05
John Lennon  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/10/05
Good point  John Le'Brecage | 05/10/05
That will never happen  thetargos | 05/12/05
Quick!! Get Matthew Szulik to a doctor!!!  Xunil_Sierutuf | 05/10/05
Its Microsoft's new strategy ...  George Mitchell | 05/10/05
This could be good  nightshade0143 | 05/10/05
It's good for you, and bad for a distributor...  John Le'Brecage | 05/10/05
Sounds good for the user, too.  Anton Philidor | 05/10/05
I believe that's what I said....  John Le'Brecage | 05/10/05
Acknowledging a point...  Anton Philidor | 05/11/05
WMAD: all paranoia, all the time...  John Le'Brecage | 05/10/05
Right on John!  George Mitchell | 05/10/05
patents I do believe is the magic word!!  Arm A. Geddon | 05/10/05
How bout DRM and multimedia codecs  osreinstall | 05/10/05
Redhat needs to explain this  matrixdomain | 05/10/05
Ya done matrix, Great article from Fortune  Squawkbox | 05/10/05
there's more  matrixdomain | 05/10/05
year 2007  michael-t | 05/10/05
Analysis  ash_hooper@... | 05/10/05
Business is Business  jorwell | 05/10/05
Now how many of you had heart attack just over the headline  FilledOut | 05/11/05
Mike Cox is standing on the railing of a bridge somewhere  archerjoe | 05/11/05
their = there  archerjoe | 05/11/05

What do you think?

advertisement
advertisement

White Papers, Webcasts, and Downloads

Enterprise Applications

  • Check out some of the easiest and most powerful ways to boost productivity while saving money on your application infrastructure. See ZDNet's comprehensive Enterprise Application resource center, now!
  • New Online Dashboard
  • Read about top issues IT decision-makers face every day, plus get cost effective solutions to real life IT problems. Oracle Topline