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By Ina Fried
Posted on ZDNet News: May 13, 2005 12:00:00 AM

Microsoft is developing a new version of Windows aimed at companies that want to better secure their older machines, the company confirmed Thursday.

Code-named Eiger, the product is basically designed to turn older PCs into a thin client, which is a terminal that gets most of its information from a central server. Unlike traditional thin clients, though, a few programs can be run locally, including Internet Explorer, Windows Media Player and antivirus software.

Microsoft is pitching the software at customers who can't or don't want to buy new PCs, but are concerned that their older computers are not secure and hard to manage. In many cases, upgrading those machines to standard Windows XP just isn't an attractive option, even if it is technically possible

"If they wanted to run Windows XP, it really doesn't run very well; it might take 20 minutes to boot," said Barry Goffe, a group product manager in Microsoft's Windows client unit. "Eiger is a solution we are building, designed specifically for these customers."

Just when Eiger will be available is unclear, however.

Goffe said the product is in the very early stages of product development, with the company this week offering a preview version to a few dozen early customers. He did not give a date for a final launch of the product or say how the company will price it.

"While most of those customers will likely buy new PCs with a new OS, some of those customers are not in a position, either financially, politically or for some other reason, to buy new hardware," he said.

Although Eiger will offer security and other improvements, in many cases it won't be as widely capable as the older OS it is replacing. Microsoft won't guarantee that it will run most of the hundreds of thousands of Windows programs. The company won't even promise support for Office, perhaps the most ubiquitous of Windows programs. Office and other business software will be able to be run off a server and viewed on Eiger-based PCs using Microsoft's remote desktop software or thin client software from Citrix and others.

Goffe said Eiger is not intended to be a long-term fix for companies with older PCs. Rather he sees it as a bridge to Windows XP, or perhaps Longhorn.

"If they can't buy the hardware now, Eiger is a good solution," he said. "It's really designed to help them bridge the gap. By far the best solution is for them to buy a new PC with a new OS."

Goffe also acknowledges that probably only a small fraction of the machines running an older Microsoft OS will want to take the path proposed with Eiger.

One of the benefits to Microsoft is that each machine that moves from an older OS to Eiger is one less unpatched machine that can easily fall prey to viruses or other malicious code. Customers, too, have complained that they have no way to make older machines safe without replacing them with new ones.

"From a security perspective, there are a lot of unhappy customers out there because they are running older machines that can't be patched," Goffe said.

Under the hood, Eiger is a hybrid of Windows XP with Service Pack 2 and Windows XP Embedded. The software gets its code name from a mountain in Switzerland.

To run Eiger, Microsoft is recommending a Pentium II processor and 128MB of memory; However the software will also run on machines with an older Pentium processor and as little as 64MB of memory.

Goffe said Microsoft also has a list of other features that it won't get to with Eiger, things like support for more programs that can be run locally and the ability to connect to handhelds or other devices. Microsoft calls that wish list "Monch," named for the mountain that sits next to Eiger.

Microsoft enthusiast site Bink.nu first published details on Eiger and Monch last month, but Microsoft had declined to comment on the products.

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most of these used computers will presumably have OEM win95/win98 on
And in most cases this will be the OEM software that was
shipped with the computer. This sort of sounds like a gouging
scheme somehow to me.
Traditionally a vast number of these computers h... (Read the rest)
Posted by: hipparchus2000 Posted on: 05/16/05 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
Silly Wabbit, older PCs are for Linux..  Xunil_Sierutuf | 05/12/05
Not any more...  ye | 05/12/05
Now that I would have to have verified to believe.  Laff | 05/12/05
I second that  nucrash | 05/12/05
You're welcome to try it yourself...  ye | 05/12/05
KDE and GNOME eye-candy are just as bloated...  Knorthern Knight | 05/12/05
Yes Fedora 3 is a pig  osreinstall | 05/13/05
RULE: Run Up to date Linux Everywhere  David Mohring | 05/12/05
If...if...if  ye | 05/12/05
*Replace* not remove functionality  David Mohring | 05/12/05
But does it have feature parity?  ye | 05/12/05
WHAT functionality? You need to be  michael-t | 05/12/05
I asked for feature parity...  ye | 05/12/05
No surprise :  michael-t | 05/12/05
Make a feature list  toomuchgreeatea@... | 05/12/05
Remember, KDE and Gnome are GUIs, not Linux..  Xunil_Sierutuf | 05/12/05
More than that...  ye | 05/12/05
I've used XP with 128 once before.. not pretty..  Xunil_Sierutuf | 05/12/05
I have...  ye | 05/12/05
Suggestion  toomuchgreeatea@... | 05/12/05
Right.....  michael-t | 05/12/05
Re-take your logic class, please.  CobraA1 | 05/12/05
SuSE 9.3  Linux User 147560 | 05/12/05
Right, I Believe You  nikoli | 05/13/05
Where do you live?  Linux User 147560 | 05/13/05
Addnedum  Linux User 147560 | 05/13/05
Yep, Linux has been there, done that  BobF_z | 05/13/05
Damn Small Linux, LTSP and saving with WINE  David Mohring | 05/12/05
Feature parity...  ye | 05/12/05
386/25...? Now you're just being plain silly.  Xunil_Sierutuf | 05/12/05
How so?  ye | 05/12/05
Maybe you can give a list  toomuchgreeatea@... | 05/12/05
You still have one of those that actually runs?  balsover | 05/13/05
He says how Linux won't run on it with  Hugh Jass | 05/14/05
Microsoft & Older PC's  wadeprater | 05/12/05
Microsoft tries to breathe life into older PCs  Loverock Davidson | 05/12/05
All depends upon the pricing.  Judas I. | 05/12/05
It would be worth it  Loverock Davidson | 05/13/05
Are your clients running apps via Terminal Services  Hugh Jass | 05/14/05
Both  Loverock Davidson | 05/14/05
Should be good for business  DarthRidiculous | 05/12/05
MS is openly  michael-t | 05/12/05
ye,it's the vulnerable 'features' that Linux lacks ...  David Mohring | 05/12/05
It's no longer XP...  ye | 05/12/05
OK, does a USELESS XP have the 'feature parity' of USEFULL Linux?  David Mohring | 05/12/05
David, David, you  michael-t | 05/12/05
My point exactly:  michael-t | 05/12/05
Now MS not only offers 'light-weight' kernel but  michael-t | 05/12/05
Big Fat Zero, until MS finally fixes TermSrvr client license lease bugs  wti | 05/13/05
I'm impressed  mlindl | 05/13/05
License costs  Roger Ramjet | 05/13/05
Maybe.. But not necessarily...  Wolfie2K3 | 05/13/05
The Great MS Solution!  Reverend MacFellow | 05/13/05
DOWN boy.. DOWN!  Wolfie2K3 | 05/13/05
most of these used computers will presumably have OEM win95/win98 on  hipparchus2000 | 05/16/05
and just how is this different from winCE?? and no guarantee for backwards  wessonjoe | 05/13/05
The difference between Windows embedded and WinCE  balsover | 05/13/05
Eiger/Tiger...Another Masterful MS Innovation  itanalyst | 05/13/05
The Eiger Sanction!  Reverend MacFellow | 05/13/05
THE EIGER SANCTION!  Reverend MacFellow | 05/13/05
Good move by MS!  George Mitchell | 05/13/05
No  Reverend MacFellow | 05/13/05
What's wrong with this picture?  MepisLINUXuser | 05/13/05
haha - they had to bolt IE in  JasonL31 | 05/14/05
long time coming  timpin1@... | 05/15/05
Why?  Altern_z | 05/15/05
Not really...  jvahabzadeh | 05/16/05
I forgot to mention...  jvahabzadeh | 05/16/05
Wow I learned something from this talkback  hipparchus2000 | 05/16/05

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