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By Michael Singer
Posted on ZDNet News: Aug 4, 2005 10:26:00 PM

Apple Computer fans are upset over a security chip found in a special x86-based PowerMac--a chip designed to prevent people from loading the company's new Intel-centered OS onto non-Apple machines.

Apple supplied the Intel-fitted PowerMac to members of its Apple Developer Connection, a group for software programmers. The PowerMac includes a microcontroller known as the Trusted Platform Module--TPM for short--that contains a digital signature necessary in order to install the Mac OSX operating system onto the box.

An ADC member, who asked not to be identified, confirmed the microcontroller's existence to CNET News.com.

Trusted Platform Module (TPM1.2)
Credit: Infineon Technologies

Representatives of Apple and Intel declined to comment on the inclusion of the TPM chip in the PowerMac.

The ADC source reported being able to install other operating systems like Windows and Linux onto the test box. But it was impossible, the source said, to install software from the DVD containing the Intel-configured Mac OS onto similar x86-based PCs that lacked a TPM.

Some Mac fans disagree with Apple's desire to prevent the loading of its Intel-based OS on non-Mac boxes. Another issue for some is that the TPM could compromise the privacy of users because of the identifying number built into the chip. The technology could also restrict the use of some digital media by enforcing digital rights management technologies.

Reactions on the OSx86 Forum, Slashdot and other fan sites ran the gamut from annoyance to just plain resentment against Apple for joining Microsoft, Advanced Micro Devices, Hewlett-Packard and Lenovo in support of the technology.

"The 'bru ha ha' is that it won't just be the ADC people that have to deal with TPM. Everyone that buys a new Mac will. That's what the big deal is. No one wants to deal with the TPM," said an OSx86 Forum moderator known as Mashugly.

One fan threatened to remove his Apple tattoo should the company include the security chip in its new Macintosh products, which are expected to be on sale by next summer.

Those overly concerned with the issue may have short memories. During the announcement back in June, Apple said its machines would not support other operating systems outside of the Mac OSX, but the company also said it would not be able to prevent underlying software from Microsoft or a Linux distribution from being installed.

Apple is currently transitioning its computers to Intel processors from the PowerPC chips made by IBM. In addition to hardware, Apple is supplying software and other resources as part of its Developer Transition Kit.

A representative with Apple did say that the computers shipped to developers are the same as the one Apple CEO Steve Jobs used during a demo onstage at the company's developer conference in June.

Participating developers received a PowerMac that runs on an Intel D915GUX motherboard powered by a Pentium 4 660 Prescott that reaches top speeds of 3.60GHz, the ADC source said.

The existence of the TPM chip, manufactured by Infineon Technologies, is no guarantee that Apple will be using it in the final Macintosh products shipping next year. But industry analyst Pete Glaskowsky says it is highly likely, considering that Apple has the controller installed now.

"Apple does not want just anybody that has the right Intel motherboard to install the beta version of its software."

Glaskowsky also surmised that Apple developers will come across more surprises as they familiarize themselves with the new Mac architecture.

The ADC source said one welcome surprise was that the combination of Intel chips and the Mac OSX seems to have led to the ability to perform tasks and play games incredibly fast.

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Excellent points
Right on! I've always maintained that the "Mac" experience was
about the OS, and not the hardware. While the heart of Mac is in
the OS in my opinion, we've all got to remember that Apple is a ... (Read the rest)
Posted by: teewinot Posted on: 08/10/05 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
Re: Apple Intel based Macintosh  IanX | 08/04/05
PowerMac  ndelc | 08/04/05
Whatever  nikoli | 08/04/05
thank you mi amigo  Jeff Spicoli | 08/04/05
Ok, Jeff time for your prozac  Delmont | 08/04/05
Hey, thugs are breaking into your house as we speak..  Jeff Spicoli | 08/04/05
I agree  ndelc | 08/04/05
Welcome back, Jeffero  Real World | 08/05/05
why thank you MJ  Jeff Spicoli | 08/05/05
I say this one doesn't stay here for 5 mins even  Protector | 08/05/05
been chugging along for more than an hour now..  Jeff Spicoli | 08/05/05
I care a lot  ndelc | 08/04/05
hardware requirements  Mr_Dave | 08/05/05
go back and reread...  woot! | 08/05/05
Are you serious?  Jeff Spicoli | 08/05/05
The general contractor...  woot! | 08/05/05
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaa (nt)  NonZealot | 08/04/05
Smaaaaaack!  MacCanuck | 08/05/05
Oh nooooooooooooo!  NonZealot | 08/05/05
Agreed  serpentmage | 08/05/05
?  Protector | 08/05/05
Criminal act....  Mike Cox | 08/04/05
re: Criminal act....  higaara | 08/04/05
No it's just that your skull is waaaay too thick  Jeff Spicoli | 08/04/05
Mike Cox is dead serious  nucrash | 08/04/05
God what a loser! Haven't you heard of Unix & Linux?  YuridaMan | 08/07/05
Hehe  NonZealot | 08/04/05
Microsoft ALREADY has been doing this  Jeff Spicoli | 08/04/05
RE: Hehe  crash89 | 08/04/05
I was thinking the very same thing  Crestview | 08/04/05
Big Difference  ndelc | 08/04/05
RE: Big Difference  hickum | 08/05/05
really  woot! | 08/05/05
I'm the pinhead?  ndelc | 08/05/05
Is that all , WOW !  EliteSysUser | 08/05/05
And?  ndelc | 08/05/05
If Apple value their customer so much...  joethemacfan | 08/05/05
So don't buy it  ndelc | 08/05/05
Don't worry I won't  joethemacfan | 08/05/05
Re:Don't worry I won't  ndelc | 08/05/05
Re: Re:Don't worry I won't  joethemacfan | 08/05/05
Waiting for 2 buttons  tic swayback | 08/06/05
Just wait  tic swayback | 08/05/05
Matter of priority  John L. Ries | 08/05/05
Message has been deleted.  EliteSysUser | 08/04/05
it does  Jeff Spicoli | 08/04/05
Used parts  TWRX | 08/04/05
my only contention..  Jeff Spicoli | 08/04/05
Your contention is correct ,,,  EliteSysUser | 08/05/05
Apple hardware sux !  nrkmann@... | 08/05/05
Here are my feelings , my sentiments ,,,  EliteSysUser | 08/05/05
The Mac Experience  mustangj36@... | 08/04/05
Re: Mac Experience  jbravo556 | 08/04/05
Hilarious you are....  Crestview | 08/04/05
This is why  Crestview | 08/04/05
And now for the opposing rumor ...  Len Rooney | 08/04/05
A Word for Discontent Mac Users  Harry Bardal | 08/05/05
What is wrong with you people?  Jkirk3279 | 08/08/05
Excellent points  teewinot | 08/10/05
If Apple does ID chips they are TOAST!!!  Jeff Spicoli | 08/04/05
Apple doesn't need to ID the chips  Mr_Dave | 08/05/05
If you mean MAC (not Mac) address...  Zinoron | 08/05/05
plus you could just swap out the nic  Jeff Spicoli | 08/05/05
swap out nic?  Mr_Dave | 08/05/05
ok a big puzzle for mac fan  toxicfreak | 08/04/05
Nonsense complaint  georgep_z | 08/05/05
Heh heh...  Grayson Peddie | 08/05/05
Apple, hardware company or software company?  jorwell | 08/05/05
Wang?  yyuko@... | 08/05/05
The comparison holds  jorwell | 08/05/05
Hardware company, definitely hardware company  tic swayback | 08/05/05
But is that a sound business strategy?  jorwell | 08/05/05
Apparently, yes  tic swayback | 08/05/05
Some facts  yyuko@... | 08/05/05
Mac prices...  Zinoron | 08/05/05
Apple will eat out Unix and Linux  Wagadonga | 08/05/05
Re: Apple will eat out Unix and Linux  yyuko@... | 08/05/05
Oh Yeah !  EliteSysUser | 08/05/05
Oh Yeah !  nightshade0143 | 08/05/05
Not that I'm advocating OSX or MS  OliverSeal | 08/05/05
Oh Yeah !  EliteSysUser | 08/05/05
RE:Not that I'm advocating OSX or MS  nightshade0143 | 08/05/05
gui & sessions  Mr_Dave | 08/05/05
RE: gui & sessions  nightshade0143 | 08/05/05
Oh Wait!  joethemacfan | 08/05/05
Oh wait !  EliteSysUser | 08/05/05
Apple is IS UNIX , they just tweaked the desktop  Protector | 08/05/05
To be more specific  tic swayback | 08/05/05
NeXTStep predates Linux  Jkirk3279 | 08/08/05
Apple is UNIX  EliteSysUser | 08/05/05
SCO shut out  tic swayback | 08/06/05
Mac Intel  AussieDownUnder | 08/05/05
You can't get ,mad at a cat fot acting like a cat  nightshade0143 | 08/05/05
Mac OS ALWAYS Propietary!  cbk_z | 08/05/05
Wait and see  tic swayback | 08/05/05
lol  sp29 | 08/05/05
not legitimately anyway....  OliverSeal | 08/05/05
pardon, wrong link happy  OliverSeal | 08/05/05
Thats just one way to get OS X to run on a PC  EliteSysUser | 08/05/05
Lemme just finish with this ,,,  EliteSysUser | 08/05/05
Completely Wrong  Jkirk3279 | 08/08/05
Are we surprised?  John L. Ries | 08/05/05
I'm not .  EliteSysUser | 08/05/05
Indeed  John L. Ries | 08/05/05
Trusted Platform Module on a PCI Card  xkmail | 08/05/05
Trusted Platform Module on a PCI Card  EliteSysUser | 08/05/05
So they are going through with that fascist technology.  HypnoToad | 08/06/05
And thats the bottom line , cause cold stone programmer man "  EliteSysUser | 08/06/05
Apple IS a proprietary OS and hardware company NOW  YuridaMan | 08/07/05
Surprised at the speed?  SDaveley | 08/09/05

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