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By Ingrid Marson
Posted on ZDNet News: Aug 22, 2005 2:26:00 PM

Linux founder Linus Torvalds is defending protection of the Linux trademark and insists that sublicensing is a loss-making operation.

Last month, a lawyer acting on behalf of Torvalds, wrote to 90 companies in Australia and asked them to relinquish any legal claim to the name Linux and to purchase a license from the Linux Mark Institute, a nonprofit organization that is the licensee for the Linux trademark.

Companies will need to pay between $200 and $5,000 to sublicense the Linux trademark, which led some in the open-source community to accuse Torvalds of cashing in on the success of Linux.

Torvalds denied on Saturday that he or anyone else is making money from sublicensing the Linux trademark, as the legal costs are higher than the license fees.

"Not only do I not get a cent of the trademark money, but even (the Linux Mark Institute, which actually administers the trademark) has so far historically always lost money on it," Torvalds said in a posting to the Linux Kernel Mailing List.

He explained that the "cease-and-desist or sublicense the mark" letters are a requirement of maintaining a trademark. He highlighted a posting made to the mailing list in 2000, which explained why such letters are necessary.

"Trademark law requires that the trademark owner police the use of the trademark," Torvalds said in the earlier posting. "This is nasty, because it means, for example, that a trademark owner has to be shown as caring about even small infringements, because otherwise the really bad guys can use as their defense that 'Hey, we may have misused it, but look at those other cases that they didn't go after, they obviously don't care.'"

Torvalds has also recently been accused of hypocrisy, with some in the open-source community claiming that his criticism of software patents is contradictory to his enforcement of trademarks. Torvalds did not comment on this issue in his new posting to the mailing list, but the founder of a prominent anti-software-patent site defended Torvalds on the issue.

Florian Mueller, who campaigned against the European Union software patents directive and was recently hailed as one of the most important figures in intellectual property, said Monday that trademarks and copyright are different from software patents.

"Software patents are a power play that benefits anti-competitive forces and productless extortioners, but copyright and trademarks generally reward those who create and market real products," Mueller said in a statement. "It's lawless and pointless to indiscriminately oppose intellectual-property rights."

Mueller warned that "anti-IP radicalism" could be detrimental to the image of open source. He claimed that some right-wing politicians agree with Bill Gates' view that restricting intellectual-property rights is tantamount to communism so it is important for the open-source community to disassociate itself from the viewpoint that it is against intellectual-property rights.

Ingrid Marson of ZDNet UK reported from London.

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since you mention bsd ...
then ill retract my post about you being a windows zealot :P

as bsd is, im sure, very stable as i have known people who use it and recommend it, i have also found linux to be very stable and reliable for me.

thank you have a nice day... (Read the rest)
Posted by: linuxoverwindows Posted on: 08/23/05 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
Makes sense  Tim Patterson | 08/22/05
Yup, just like open source patents.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/22/05
Wrong again Bit  Tim Patterson | 08/22/05
Never sais otherwise.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/22/05
The difference is  Michael Kelly | 08/22/05
Cut it anyway you like, OS is becoming more like the others.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/22/05
RE: Cut it anyway you like, OS is becoming more like the others.  Linux User 147560 | 08/22/05
Also from the article  Tim Patterson | 08/22/05
RE: It's a sign open source....  AmusedAtItAll | 08/22/05
Tilting at windmills for no reason.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/22/05
I would say your Linux world is about to change  John Zern | 08/22/05
pretty far fetched even from you  Monkey_MCSE | 08/22/05
Just ignore him  bhodges00 | 08/22/05
Is your understanding of Intellectual Propert Law limited to Patents?  B.O.F.H. | 08/22/05
Gee, I was replying to a story about trademarks.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/22/05
Good to see you spouting your anti-competitive rants!  B.O.F.H. | 08/22/05
That's funny  rapson | 08/22/05
Subtract 5 points for using common sense.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/22/05
No wonder you never lose any points  Jeff Spicoli | 08/22/05
Minus 10 points for a useless personal attack.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/22/05
Bzzzt! Wrong, Axey.  Judas I. | 08/22/05
Touche`  jacarter3 | 08/22/05
Hey how you doing tail rider?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/22/05
I think..  Patrick Jones | 08/22/05
Patents, Copyrights, and Trademarks are not even comparable  Michael Kelly | 08/22/05
True enought, and open source is now playing in all three ball parks.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/22/05
They were always in 2 of the 3  Michael Kelly | 08/22/05
I agree, GPL -3 should be interesting  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/22/05
From the story:  Confused by religion | 08/22/05
Easy  Patrick Jones | 08/22/05
I don't remember that story..  Monkey_MCSE | 08/22/05
Uh...wrong  marksashton | 08/22/05
But  Michael Kelly | 08/22/05
yes..  Patrick Jones | 08/22/05
It would have to be  Michael Kelly | 08/22/05
You are so wrong!  ShadeTree | 08/22/05
Which article did you read?  Patrick Jones | 08/22/05
I doubt anyone would mix them up...  el1jones | 08/22/05
people these days  linuxoverwindows | 08/23/05
MikeRoweSoft  SC-man | 08/22/05
microsoft was being stupid...  linuxoverwindows | 08/23/05
i wonder  linuxoverwindows | 08/23/05
Better get used to it folks ...  George Mitchell | 08/22/05
Well said George...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/22/05
Torvalds weighs in on Linux trademark row  Loverock Davidson | 08/22/05
LD, you are as bad with the rants as the zealots.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/22/05
ummm...  doh123 | 08/22/05
Since always  Loverock Davidson | 08/22/05
Here is the actual definiton of "Zealot".  Zogg | 08/23/05
Did you read the definition?  Loverock Davidson | 08/23/05
But you are excessively committed against Linux.  Zogg | 08/23/05
try a windows zealot.  linuxoverwindows | 08/23/05
2: a fervent and even militant proponent of something  linuxoverwindows | 08/23/05
hmmm, you must have missed this part  Monkey_MCSE | 08/22/05
I read it  Loverock Davidson | 08/22/05
anyone does...  linuxoverwindows | 08/23/05
Poor guy  IT Scion | 08/22/05
yeah, in fact...  linuxoverwindows | 08/23/05
I can understand Trademarking a name  John Zern | 08/22/05
step away from the keyboard and put the pipe down  Monkey_MCSE | 08/22/05
I trying to piont out that  John Zern | 08/22/05
Wrong  Michael Kelly | 08/23/05
exactly  linuxoverwindows | 08/23/05
Un-Copyrighted works are Public Domain  Michael Kelly | 08/22/05
Linux is owned by him.  Wagadonga | 08/22/05
This is bad publicity for linux  Loverock Davidson | 08/22/05
no tears here, either.  linuxoverwindows | 08/23/05
here neither  Loverock Davidson | 08/23/05
since you mention bsd ...  linuxoverwindows | 08/23/05
Maybe there is hope  jorwell | 08/23/05
Remebering the Original Trademark Issue  TDWinfo | 08/23/05

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