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By Ina Fried
Posted on ZDNet News: Oct 5, 2005 6:36:00 PM

The U.S. Patent Office has rejected two Microsoft patents over the FAT file format, but the software maker said Wednesday that it's not ready to give up its battle to protect its widely used method for storing data.

The patent office delivered its ruling late last month but made it public this week. With one of the patents, the decision is what's considered a final rejection, while with another it's considered nonfinal. In both cases, Microsoft has the ability to pursue its claims further.

The rejections come after a re-examination of the patents was sought by the Public Patent Foundation, which argued that they were invalid because there was "prior art," that is, evidence that others had done similar work before Microsoft's patent application. A U.S. Patent Office examiner issued a preliminary rejection of one Microsoft patent in September 2004.

Though developed for Windows, the FAT format has become a common means of storing files on all manner of computers, as well as on removable flash memory cards used in digital cameras and other devices. It is also used by the open-source Samba software that lets Linux and Unix computers exchange data with Windows computers, and by Linux itself to read and write files on Windows hard drives.

There has been concern that if the FAT patents are upheld, Microsoft may claim that Linux infringes on Microsoft technology and will seek a royalty. Any monetary compensation could threaten the operating system, which under General Public License (GPL) terms may not be distributed if it contains patented technology that requires royalty payments.

A Microsoft representative said Wednesday that the company considers the latest rejections somewhat of a victory because the examiners have rejected the prior-art claims. Microsoft said the latest rejections are centered on how the inventor of the patents is listed.

"None of the prior art submitted by the Public Patent Foundation stood up under examination," Microsoft Director of Business Development David Kaefer said in a statement. "The issues that have come up in these re-examinations have nothing to do with (non-Microsoft) prior art. Instead, the issues involve a question over whom--at Microsoft--should be properly listed as an inventor."

A Public Patent Foundation representative was not immediately available for comment.

Microsoft announced plans to license the FAT format in December 2003, as part of a stepped-up intellectual-property licensing push. It announced at the time that flash memory seller Lexar Media was taking a license for its FAT format technology.

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Posted by: DemonX Posted on: 11/10/05 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
Microsoft is just wasting time here and hurting their image.  DonnieBoy | 10/05/05
All I hear is  ickusslime@... | 10/05/05
I am so old I remember watching Him  OldMarine | 10/05/05
Correction  Loverock Davidson | 10/05/05
SAMBA  enrico_macias | 10/05/05
Why would SaMBa pay FAT royalties?  B.O.F.H. | 10/05/05
Say what?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/05/05
And is Fedora Samba?  Michael Kelly | 10/05/05
Please read BOFH's ENTIRE post.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/05/05
OK  Michael Kelly | 10/05/05
Only if you are using a FAT or VFAT driver!  B.O.F.H. | 10/05/05
Mine doesn't  voska | 10/06/05
lol  eLurker | 10/05/05
Hurting their image? What image?  Midnite1 | 10/05/05
Ummm, you mean the image they are battling Linux??  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/05/05
New Way To Spell Microsoft: D-E-N-I-E-D  itanalyst | 10/05/05
No, it's a simple name change.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/05/05
Another mark against patent encumbered software  Sabz5150 | 10/05/05
Interesting that Linux is now encumbering their code with patents too.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/05/05
One shining difference  Sabz5150 | 10/05/05
Not true at all.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/05/05
Not always  Sabz5150 | 10/05/05
First the SCO backed by Microsoft ???  I'm Ye, the MS SHILL . | 10/05/05
I admit it  CobraA1 | 10/05/05
I don't believe that Samba actually uses FAT.  Yen_z | 10/05/05
No, Samba doesn't use FAT  cthompson | 10/05/05
Cpm used all most the same protocols  OldMarine | 10/05/05
Nope  Troll Hunter | 10/06/05
CPM from Digital and Fat12  mrrobertbuenger@... | 10/07/05
It doesent  Suicida| | 10/05/05
FAT, SMB, Samba and Linux  bowenw@... | 10/06/05
Microsoft's Linux-related patents rejected  Loverock Davidson | 10/05/05
Sensationalistic headline  rapson | 10/05/05
So  Loverock Davidson | 10/05/05
MSoft - Linux & the rest of the world  marinom@... | 10/06/05
Actually  Michael Kelly | 10/05/05
I'm just trying to figure out  Loverock Davidson | 10/05/05
Linux  KTLA | 10/05/05
Those other OSes  Michael Kelly | 10/05/05
Thanks (NT)  Loverock Davidson | 10/05/05
You are corr3ect, it's not just Linux releated.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/05/05
Linux-related?  node357 | 10/05/05
What a farcical question!  John Le'Brecage | 10/06/05
Its what i've been saying all along  Loverock Davidson | 10/06/05
How long has FAT been around?  Bill4 | 10/05/05
Since 1980  cthompson | 10/05/05
Wang winchester drives  OldMarine | 10/05/05
MS - in 1976  KTLA | 10/05/05
I'm not sure if I understand your arguement.  el1jones | 10/05/05
What are you smoking?  KTLA | 10/05/05
It should be NULLED Anyhow  Ed_Meyers | 10/05/05
To Ed_Meyers  KTLA | 10/05/05
KTLA- Microsoft Wants it Reinstated  Ed_Meyers | 10/05/05
Ed - We're not arguing the patent window  KTLA | 10/05/05
I Have Faith in The USPTO  Ed_Meyers | 10/05/05
Long enough the patent office rejected the prior art argument.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/05/05
Rejected?  IT_User | 10/05/05
What a surprise  JusPassinThrough | 10/06/05
The patents aren't for FAT per se  Yagotta B. Kidding | 10/05/05
Samba implements CIFS/SMB, not FAT!  B.O.F.H. | 10/05/05
Stop repeating yourself.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/05/05
Stop spamming the talkbacks.  B.O.F.H. | 10/05/05
A sure way...  zztong | 10/05/05
Microslop  Midnite1 | 10/05/05
My rep and I are enraged...  Mike Cox | 10/05/05
Congratulations!!!  tic swayback | 10/05/05
I thought that too! (nt)  Michael Kelly | 10/05/05
that was great  Real World | 10/05/05
Your rep??  Midnite1 | 10/05/05
OMG  cubmiester | 10/06/05
you and your rep...  bmh129 | 10/06/05
Did anyone catch this part?  ibabadur1 | 10/05/05
Yeah, nice try on their part...  el1jones | 10/05/05
sigh  KTLA | 10/05/05
Everybody ease up  IT_User | 10/05/05
Not really  KTLA | 10/06/05
I agree on that ...  George Mitchell | 10/05/05
Question George  Linux User 147560 | 10/05/05
No problem ...  George Mitchell | 10/05/05
The problem is multi-boot systems.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/05/05
Maybe  ibabadur1 | 10/05/05
Removable media  Michael Kelly | 10/05/05
Not really.  Linux User 147560 | 10/05/05
Hmm, Linux on th eaverage users desktop.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/05/05
FUD  Real World | 10/06/05
You knowledge is about a decade old  voska | 10/06/05
NTFS  zijiang | 10/06/05
Easy solution ...  George Mitchell | 10/05/05
LILO and GRUB do not require FAT  node357 | 10/05/05
He's not talking about the loaders  Bill4 | 10/05/05
Current version of Windows don't typically use FAT.  B.O.F.H. | 10/05/05
XP upgraded from 9x does  CobraA1 | 10/05/05
That's very small group though  voska | 10/06/05
and most notebooks are preinstalled XP with FAT  PhilippeV | 10/07/05
FAT vs NTFS  aleximor@... | 10/07/05
Windows works like this.  DemonX | 11/10/05
Really just saying fats still around  DemonX | 11/10/05
Just wondering  JusPassinThrough | 10/06/05
time to throw out the dual boot  wrench_ninja | 10/07/05
Royalties  Yagotta B. Kidding | 10/05/05
. . . and  CobraA1 | 10/05/05
Expiration  Yagotta B. Kidding | 10/06/05
FAT Created for Windows????  AdmiralGKar | 10/05/05
PC-DOS v1.00  BiltongBill | 10/06/05
Exactly...  jasonp@... | 10/07/05
The biggest loser isnt Linux  mrlinux | 10/06/05
Apple too  PhilippeV | 10/07/05
FAT chance MS  cburgess | 10/06/05
Patent system needs to be abolished, at least for software  boobasaurus | 10/06/05
Microsoft patents  jkeels | 10/06/05
Surprised they denied it!  An_Axe_to_Grind | 10/06/05
They will get it eventually, even with prior art  The_Q | 10/06/05
Not really  JusPassinThrough | 10/06/05
Developed for Windows?  JDThompson | 10/06/05
Microsoft is desperate  basilf@... | 10/06/05
Public rights abused by Microsoft; invalid patent claims  PhilippeV | 10/07/05
Microsoft used FAT12 for floppies as far back as DOS 1.0  pdog | 10/07/05
Wrong. FAT is used instead of NTFS on most PC  PhilippeV | 10/07/05
Bad PR for M$  jwschull@... | 10/07/05
Stop Software Patents  jupco | 10/11/05

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