On MovieTome: New HARRY POTTER pics are here!
BNET Business Network:
BNET
TechRepublic
ZDNet

By Ina Fried, News.com
Posted on ZDNet News: Mar 3, 2005 8:41:00 PM

SAN FRANCISCO-- Microsoft is aiming to have its first cluster version of Windows ready in time for a supercomputing conference this fall.

Software Architect Marvin Theimer said on Thursday that the company hopes to have a beta, or test version, by this summer, with the final version of Windows Server 2003 Compute Cluster Edition ready by the SC05 supercomputing conference in November.

The company has not announced final pricing for the operating system, but Theimer said the additional computers, or nodes, of a cluster will be priced at a discount.

"When you buy a cluster, the price per node in the cluster is going to be reduced" compared to regular Windows, Theimer said in a presentation at the Intel Developer Forum here. "We want to be competitive with something like Red Hat."

However, Theimer said the cluster version will include some restrictions on how the version can be used to prevent companies from performing standard Web hosting or other functions.

CNET News.com first reported Microsoft's plans to offer a tailored version of Windows last May. Microsoft confirmed its supercomputer plans last June.

The first version will reproduce many basic features of Linux clusters, Theimer said.

For example, it will include support for the Message Passing Interface, or MPI, the communication foundation of cluster software. And it will include programming tools for writing software that runs on clusters.

Theimer also outlined Microsoft's goals for two follow-up versions. The next version of the Compute Cluster edition will extend to Microsoft's .Net programming infrastructure, letting developers write software using the C# programming language, he said. Although such code runs more slowly than C programs running directly on Windows, writing programs in C# that run atop .Net is easier and more secure.

Often, Theimer said, it's more important to have a program as soon as possible than to have it running at peak performance, he said.

"Anything that improves my development time is worth the trouble," he said.

That version also will be able to manage "cycle harvesting" jobs that put otherwise-idle PCs to productive use, he said. Cycle harvesting--best exemplified by the SETI@Home project to scour radio telescope signals for extraterrestrial communication--only is useful for about 10 percent of high-performance technical computing tasks, he added.

A third version will include developer improvements to ease programming on clusters. It also will include high-level management tools and will help customers integrate their high-performance computing equipment with the rest of their infrastructure, he said.

Theimer said this market became interesting to Microsoft as the use of clusters moved beyond government and academic settings into businesses. Car companies and drug companies are among the early users of such clusters, he said, noting that Microsoft has a cluster internally that its treasury uses to evaluate the company's vast investment portfolio.

The other factor that makes the market compelling is the availability of off-the-shelf software for various industries to do such computing work. In the past, companies had to write their own custom applications.

Even Microsoft's Excel can benefit, he said, noting that some businesses have worksheets that can take hours to calculate. Today, such work requires third-party add-ons such as software from Platform Computing. However, Theimer said that Microsoft may be interested in offering that capability itself. "Microsoft is also looking at this," Theimer said.

SAN FRANCISCO-- Microsoft is aiming to have its first cluster version of Windows ready in time for a supercomputing conference this fall.

Software Architect Marvin Theimer said on Thursday that the company hopes to have a beta, or test version, by this summer, with the final version of Windows Server 2003 Compute Cluster Edition ready by the SC05 supercomputing conference in November.

The company has not announced final pricing for the operating system, but Theimer said the additional computers, or nodes, of a cluster will be priced at a discount.

"When you buy a cluster, the price per node in the cluster is going to be reduced" compared to regular Windows, Theimer said in a presentation at the Intel Developer Forum here. "We want to be competitive with something like Red Hat."

However, Theimer said the cluster version will include some restrictions on how the version can be used to prevent companies from performing standard Web hosting or other functions.

CNET News.com first reported Microsoft's plans to offer a tailored version of Windows last May. Microsoft confirmed its supercomputer plans last June.

The first version will reproduce many basic features of Linux clusters, Theimer said.

For example, it will include support for the Message Passing Interface, or MPI, the communication foundation of cluster software. And it will include programming tools for writing software that runs on clusters.

Theimer also outlined Microsoft's goals for two follow-up versions. The next version of the Compute Cluster edition will extend to Microsoft's .Net programming infrastructure, letting developers write software using the C# programming language, he said. Although such code runs more slowly than C programs running directly on Windows, writing programs in C# that run atop .Net is easier and more secure.

Often, Theimer said, it's more important to have a program as soon as possible than to have it running at peak performance, he said.

"Anything that improves my development time is worth the trouble," he said.

That version also will be able to manage "cycle harvesting" jobs that put otherwise-idle PCs to productive use, he said. Cycle harvesting--best exemplified by the SETI@Home project to scour radio telescope signals for extraterrestrial communication--only is useful for about 10 percent of high-performance technical computing tasks, he added.

A third version will include developer improvements to ease programming on clusters. It also will include high-level management tools and will help customers integrate their high-performance computing equipment with the rest of their infrastructure, he said.

Theimer said this market became interesting to Microsoft as the use of clusters moved beyond government and academic settings into businesses. Car companies and drug companies are among the early users of such clusters, he said, noting that Microsoft has a cluster internally that its treasury uses to evaluate the company's vast investment portfolio.

The other factor that makes the market compelling is the availability of off-the-shelf software for various industries to do such computing work. In the past, companies had to write their own custom applications.

Even Microsoft's Excel can benefit, he said, noting that some businesses have worksheets that can take hours to calculate. Today, such work requires third-party add-ons such as software from Platform Computing. However, Theimer said that Microsoft may be interested in offering that capability itself. "Microsoft is also looking at this," Theimer said.

  • Talkback
  • Most Recent of 279 Talkback(s)
Club Shepherd 2005 v1.00
This Microsoft, Production is THEE Bomb!!! I Know because, I Designed 99.95% of this awesome feature-filled Zone production, Club Shepherd 2005 v1.00, will, Solve EVERY PROBLEM AUTOMATEDLY, SPEAKING! ... (Read the rest)
Posted by: Bridge_SMASH Posted on: 03/16/05 You are currently: Logged In | Log out
Late again none none   | 03/03/05
Not only late again Linux User 147560   | 03/03/05
Don't underestimate MS RoberNet   | 03/05/05
Why Altern_z   | 03/05/05
The answer is Linux User 147560   | 03/06/05
60 percent? tic swayback   | 03/03/05
Shows to go ya Immanuel Tranz-Mischen   | 03/03/05
Yeah, right cicuta   | 03/04/05
Okay cashaww   | 03/04/05
by whom? cicuta   | 03/04/05
You forgot another Illegal practice. jpfitz@...   | 03/04/05
It's a matter of perspective cicuta   | 03/04/05
I don't think you even read lengua99   | 03/07/05
You sir... gumby830@...   | 03/04/05
OK, so now it's two against...everyone else? cicuta   | 03/04/05
Im in Humph   | 03/09/05
Except... Wolfie2K3   | 03/04/05
No competition.....no exception cicuta   | 03/05/05
You are incorrect Mack DaNife   | 03/04/05
Reason says MS is not a monopoly cicuta   | 03/04/05
bravo linuxoverwindows   | 03/05/05
Monopoly, I often win that game. agottschald   | 03/04/05
Microsoft whining tycase@...   | 03/04/05
How come some people seem to assume that ending Laff   | 03/04/05
That's it and that's all Jeff Spicoli   | 03/04/05
because they are more intellectual than us. linuxoverwindows   | 03/05/05
one more thing linuxoverwindows   | 03/05/05
TalkBack Whining eheimer   | 03/04/05
Right on dude! cicuta   | 03/04/05
i know that one... linuxoverwindows   | 03/05/05
that sums it up linuxoverwindows   | 03/05/05
Yeah, what he ^^^ said... MepisLINUXuser   | 03/05/05
Not only late but will be running a distant 4th or 5th shadowself   | 03/05/05
Decade late people say - 2 decades more like... Tim Carpenter   | 03/07/05
Yes, supercomputers to run a spreadsheet Sunny Jalolly   | 03/03/05
To the Unix/Linux/Os-10 mac, sparc, Eniac users Bloag   | 03/03/05
Ahem... Sunny Jalolly   | 03/03/05
Spreadsheet Bloag   | 03/03/05
How... Wolfie2K3   | 03/04/05
Yeah, and lengua99   | 03/07/05
Yeah sure osreinstall   | 03/07/05
You're choosing a poor sample Martin Marvinski   | 03/03/05
Bad sample Bloag   | 03/03/05
You make the big mistake... plasticmonkeyz   | 03/04/05
Please Note: agottschald   | 03/04/05
i'd have to agree ZZmage   | 03/04/05
Help with job search GrumpyOldMan   | 03/08/05
Familar with something that doersn't exist? No_Ax_to_Grind   | 03/03/05
Oh, Bitty... Martin Marvinski   | 03/04/05
Why do I get the impression you are a newbie? B.O.F.H.   | 03/04/05
You are giving me some nasty flashbacks! B.O.F.H.   | 03/03/05
And I used to think flashbacks were good Sunny Jalolly   | 03/03/05
So did I until.... B.O.F.H.   | 03/04/05
ah but you forget ZZmage   | 03/04/05
Oddly michael-t   | 03/03/05
Good Post... John Carroll  ZDNet | 03/03/05
Right on John....You said and I quote. Laff   | 03/03/05
As I noted... John Carroll  ZDNet | 03/03/05
Why.NET? Immanuel Tranz-Mischen   | 03/03/05
John is a Windows DRONE Jeff Spicoli   | 03/03/05
Re: Why .NET John Carroll  ZDNet | 03/03/05
Yes, John. They would be constrained by what Sun allows. Immanuel Tranz-Mischen   | 03/04/05
you people are boring.. Orbit_z   | 03/05/05
How? Robert Crocker   | 03/04/05
Easy John Carroll  ZDNet | 03/04/05
Easy (slight correction) John Carroll  ZDNet | 03/04/05
Sorry, John, but that doesn't even begin to correct your post. Immanuel Tranz-Mischen   | 03/04/05
elegant? intuitive? linuxoverwindows   | 03/05/05
Drone? Windroid, wintard... MepisLINUXuser   | 03/05/05
What programs? cashaww   | 03/04/05
Are you related to Lewis? Roger Ramjet   | 03/04/05
You're not responding to what I said... John Carroll  ZDNet | 03/04/05
Don't know about the others...butt speaking as an OSX/Mac Laff   | 03/03/05
Good for you, Brainiac. Immanuel Tranz-Mischen   | 03/03/05
were you able to solve the x-y graph plot? matrixdomain   | 03/03/05
FYI AmusedAtItAll   | 03/04/05
What the hell is a "financial physicist"? cicuta   | 03/04/05
financial physics Bloag   | 03/04/05
let me clear your confusion cicuta   | 03/04/05
EXCEL - Notavailable mietz   | 03/04/05
What Then When BSOD? whogoesthere   | 03/04/05
Macs? But of course! sdwood   | 03/04/05
dude you are da bom-diggity linuxoverwindows   | 03/05/05
Windows ease-of use ford_prefect   | 03/08/05
You must build some VERY basic spreadsheet No_Ax_to_Grind   | 03/03/05
How about satellite epehmeris data? Sunny Jalolly   | 03/03/05
Sure, now would you like to try No_Ax_to_Grind   | 03/03/05
Gosh, you can't take yes for an answer Sunny Jalolly   | 03/03/05
Enterprise Excel jorwell   | 03/04/05
That's arrogant... Filker0_z   | 03/04/05
Hey, it was joke, okay? jorwell   | 03/07/05
heres what i think theyre shooting for... linuxoverwindows   | 03/05/05
A Cray with a gooy interface - let's talk slow rohn_z   | 03/03/05
a cray with a gooy interface pablito@...   | 03/04/05
That would be the "NEW" Cray OS? The King's Servant   | 03/04/05
MS supercomputing and michael-t   | 03/03/05
The world's fastest Email virus! Chad_z   | 03/03/05
Nope but the gentlemen from MS suggested it Sunny Jalolly   | 03/03/05
This is great news for MS SQL Sunny Jalolly   | 03/03/05
This is like giving nuclear weapons to Arab terrorists ke_xtian@...   | 03/04/05
Not at all Sunny Jalolly   | 03/04/05
A destroyer of bad applications cicuta   | 03/04/05
SQL already rocks... Motu   | 03/05/05
It'll interest those who want to be FilledOut   | 03/03/05
Facts Bloag   | 03/03/05
Show us the links to your facts Sunny Jalolly   | 03/03/05
Big Primes and SETI Bloag   | 03/04/05
That's fine but... bit_rot   | 03/04/05
Thanks Sunny Jalolly   | 03/04/05
That's why Linux User 147560   | 03/03/05
Wait this is fun! Linux User 147560   | 03/03/05
Here some more facts for you to muddle through! Linux User 147560   | 03/04/05
Thanks for the links Sunny Jalolly   | 03/04/05
Q at LANL = PC circa 2000 or older Bloag   | 03/04/05
hobby versus tax dollars Bloag   | 03/03/05
Can they still be considered supercomputers? Malger   | 03/03/05
Market share Bloag   | 03/03/05
Have you ever noticed... Immanuel Tranz-Mischen   | 03/03/05
I think he might be a coleopteran; hence his arrogance toward us primates. Hugh Jass   | 03/03/05
More ants in the world... The King's Servant   | 03/04/05
Also more cockroaches MacCanuck   | 03/04/05
Poor analogy dsypul   | 03/04/05
Ants don't choose to propagate... The King's Servant   | 03/04/05
You are witty dsypul   | 03/04/05
1.5 octaves above middle-C in the key of A-minor The King's Servant   | 03/04/05
Huh? Immanuel Tranz-Mischen   | 03/04/05
re: Huh? dsypul   | 03/05/05
Linux does not have single digit marketshare The King's Servant   | 03/04/05
"Charlie Foxtrot" alterego_z   | 03/03/05
Not all the Mongolians are in Mongolia, eh? ;-) Immanuel Tranz-Mischen   | 03/03/05
Oh no! IT_User   | 03/03/05
Now that made me Laff!!!! heh heh heh Laff   | 03/03/05
All right!!!!!!!!!! Squawkbox   | 03/03/05
Yawn Bloag   | 03/03/05
You really are tiresome. Immanuel Tranz-Mischen   | 03/03/05
Thesaurus Bloag   | 03/03/05
thanks for the troll Sunny Jalolly   | 03/03/05
Since there aren't any Windows-based supercomputers... Zogg   | 03/04/05
Slight Correction bit_rot   | 03/04/05
oops bit_rot   | 03/04/05
Thesaurus? No, it's called an education. Immanuel Tranz-Mischen   | 03/04/05
Spelling eb276   | 03/04/05
Standard tranny... gumby830@...   | 03/04/05
Do you understand supercomputing? Filker0_z   | 03/04/05
Bottom Line Bloag   | 03/03/05
More to do wit h your inflated view of yourself Sunny Jalolly   | 03/03/05
Sorry... cashaww   | 03/04/05
The fact you Linux User 147560   | 03/04/05
Forgot this tidbit as well Linux User 147560   | 03/04/05
Are you wasting our tax dollars Hugh Jass   | 03/03/05
The "intellectual" equivalent of Mike Cox? :-) MacCanuck   | 03/04/05
Okay, Why would I do a job submition? The King's Servant   | 03/04/05
This will come with a lot of restriction, Linux NO. DonnieBoy   | 03/03/05
How about paying per node? Hugh Jass   | 03/03/05
So I bought a Dell web server that came with Win2K3 Web Server Edition... The King's Servant   | 03/04/05
Intel is now using Linux not windows matrixdomain   | 03/03/05
This'll never compete w/Linux for supercomputing. CobraA1   | 03/04/05
Supercomputers need internal network access, though Zogg   | 03/04/05
Ah, so they ARE pitching this at businesses. Zogg   | 03/04/05
I can't wait for Cluster Home edition Sunny Jalolly   | 03/04/05
Still not going to compete CobraA1   | 03/04/05
I think the key sentence is... Zogg   | 03/04/05
So, does Microsoft care whether anyone actually buys this? gardoglee   | 03/04/05
Bingo! Sunny Jalolly   | 03/04/05
Perhaps mactolinux   | 03/04/05
So Microsoft is copying Linux... Patrick Jones   | 03/04/05
Anyplace that buys this is just ASKING for trouble..! Xunil_Sierutuf   | 03/04/05
Woodchuck revisited! The King's Servant   | 03/04/05
Clippy for Clusters!!! Robert Crocker   | 03/04/05
Clusters won't necessarily make a slow process run faster... Zogg   | 03/04/05
Doing it the hard way osreinstall   | 03/04/05
You forgot one thing... Patrick Jones   | 03/04/05
Had to draw the line someware. osreinstall   | 03/04/05
Familiar with HCL? Sunny Jalolly   | 03/04/05