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Posted on ZDNet News: May 25, 2006 3:25:00 AM

SEATTLE--If it is up to Microsoft, the omnipresent JPEG image format will be replaced by Windows Media Photo.

The software maker detailed the new image format Wednesday at the Windows Hardware Engineering Conference here. Windows Media Photo will be supported in Windows Vista and also be made available for Windows XP, Bill Crow, program manager for Windows Media Photo, said in a presentation.

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"One of the biggest reasons people upgrade their PCs is digital photos," Crow said, noting that Microsoft has been in contact with printer makers, digital camera companies and other unnamed industry partners while working on Windows Media Photo. Microsoft touts managing "digital memories" as one of the key attributes of XP successor Vista.

In his presentation, Crow showed an image with 24:1 compression that visibly contained more detail in the Windows Media Photo format than the JPEG and JPEG 2000 formats compressed at the same level.

Still, the image in the Microsoft format was somewhat distorted because of the high compression level. Typically digital cameras today use 6:1 compression, Crow said. Windows Media Photo should offer better pictures at double that level, he said. "We can do it in half the size of a JPEG file."

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No, JPEG works just fine.
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Not only does compression save storage space, which is especially important for devices such as cell phones and digital cameras, a smaller file can also print faster, transfer faster and help conserve battery life on devices, Crow said. "Making a file that is smaller has all kinds of benefits."

The compression technology is also "smart"--it is possible to process only part of a huge, picture file to show a smaller version, Crow said. Additionally, Microsoft's new image format allows such things as rotating the image without the need to decode it and subsequently encode it again, he said.

The new image format was received with cautious enthusiasm by some of the WinHEC attendees. Ralf Mueller, an application planner at mobile phone maker Sony Ericsson, said he would look into the new format just as his company looked into supporting Windows Media Audio and Windows Media Video.

"Considering our development cycle, I could not see us supporting Windows Media Photo before 2008," Mueller said.

Steven Wells, a part-time professional photographer, said he sees promise in the new file format. "The JPEG artifacts make it almost unusable for professional photographers," he said. "Windows Media Photo is possibly the first viable compression format."

Yet, success will depend on adoption, Wells said. Microsoft will need to get players such as Adobe Systems and Apple Computer on board to win over the graphics professionals, he noted. A major unknown is licensing, which Microsoft has not yet addressed. "Licensing can kill this," Wells said.

Windows Media Photo was developed by the same people who worked on Windows Media Video and Audio, Crow said. The image format takes a new approach to compression as well as color space and color conversion, he said. Furthermore, it gives a lot of flexibility, including in the pixel format and bit rate, Crow said.

Microsoft has finished the first official version of the "porting kit" software needed to build support for Windows Media Photo into devices and platforms other than Windows. It should be available soon, Crow said.

Licensing details for the technology are still being ironed out. These could be a concern, Crow acknowledged, but "the philosophy has been that licensing should not be a restriction" to adoption, he said.

SEATTLE--If it is up to Microsoft, the omnipresent JPEG image format will be replaced by Windows Media Photo.

The software maker detailed the new image format Wednesday at the Windows Hardware Engineering Conference here. Windows Media Photo will be supported in Windows Vista and also be made available for Windows XP, Bill Crow, program manager for Windows Media Photo, said in a presentation.

special coverage
WinHEC in view
All the latest Vista news,
plus other coverage
of the Microsoft confab

"One of the biggest reasons people upgrade their PCs is digital photos," Crow said, noting that Microsoft has been in contact with printer makers, digital camera companies and other unnamed industry partners while working on Windows Media Photo. Microsoft touts managing "digital memories" as one of the key attributes of XP successor Vista.

In his presentation, Crow showed an image with 24:1 compression that visibly contained more detail in the Windows Media Photo format than the JPEG and JPEG 2000 formats compressed at the same level.

Still, the image in the Microsoft format was somewhat distorted because of the high compression level. Typically digital cameras today use 6:1 compression, Crow said. Windows Media Photo should offer better pictures at double that level, he said. "We can do it in half the size of a JPEG file."

News.com Poll

Does the world need another photo compression format?

No, JPEG works just fine.
Yes, e-mail and Web pages need smaller files.
Maybe, but I'm concerned about it being a Microsoft product.



View results

Not only does compression save storage space, which is especially important for devices such as cell phones and digital cameras, a smaller file can also print faster, transfer faster and help conserve battery life on devices, Crow said. "Making a file that is smaller has all kinds of benefits."

The compression technology is also "smart"--it is possible to process only part of a huge, picture file to show a smaller version, Crow said. Additionally, Microsoft's new image format allows such things as rotating the image without the need to decode it and subsequently encode it again, he said.

The new image format was received with cautious enthusiasm by some of the WinHEC attendees. Ralf Mueller, an application planner at mobile phone maker Sony Ericsson, said he would look into the new format just as his company looked into supporting Windows Media Audio and Windows Media Video.

"Considering our development cycle, I could not see us supporting Windows Media Photo before 2008," Mueller said.

Steven Wells, a part-time professional photographer, said he sees promise in the new file format. "The JPEG artifacts make it almost unusable for professional photographers," he said. "Windows Media Photo is possibly the first viable compression format."

Yet, success will depend on adoption, Wells said. Microsoft will need to get players such as Adobe Systems and Apple Computer on board to win over the graphics professionals, he noted. A major unknown is licensing, which Microsoft has not yet addressed. "Licensing can kill this," Wells said.

Windows Media Photo was developed by the same people who worked on Windows Media Video and Audio, Crow said. The image format takes a new approach to compression as well as color space and color conversion, he said. Furthermore, it gives a lot of flexibility, including in the pixel format and bit rate, Crow said.

Microsoft has finished the first official version of the "porting kit" software needed to build support for Windows Media Photo into devices and platforms other than Windows. It should be available soon, Crow said.

Licensing details for the technology are still being ironed out. These could be a concern, Crow acknowledged, but "the philosophy has been that licensing should not be a restriction" to adoption, he said.

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Couple of questions and potential problems
First question. What ever happened to JPEG2000? That was supposed to be the enhanced, more compressable higher quality JPEG. I saw a bunch of stuff on it. I notice Photoshop still supports it. But yo... (Read the rest)
Posted by: Stellardyne Posted on: 05/30/06 You are currently: Logged In | Log out
So you trade image artifacts for distortion? Fred Fredrickson   | 05/24/06
So you have seen them? No_Ax_to_Grind   | 05/25/06
Have you? jcs26   | 05/25/06
Yes... No_Ax_to_Grind   | 05/25/06
your point? dlmeyer@...   | 05/25/06
Ummm... it says in the article... el1jones   | 05/25/06
The point is, the test was rigged to make the MS format look better. DonnieBoy   | 05/25/06
DBoy... No_Ax_to_Grind   | 05/25/06
Pot.......kettle........black? Spoon Jabber   | 05/25/06
What on earth are you talking about? No_Ax_to_Grind   | 05/25/06
A zealot calling another zealot a zealot voska   | 05/25/06
back to normal barsteward   | 05/25/06
RTFA Yagotta B. Kidding   | 05/25/06
I use RAW format Rick_K   | 05/25/06
Give it a break - get a job! NT raycote   | 05/25/06
Message has been deleted. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 05/25/06
I missed it Spoon Jabber   | 05/25/06
ummm...PNG anyone? voyager529   | 05/24/06
If you really wanna know... slingzenarrowzuvowtrayjissforchin   | 05/24/06
lol... PNG? unoriginal_sin   | 05/25/06
So what is the performance of png vs jpg or the new MS format for photos? DonnieBoy   | 05/25/06
The problem with PNG is it is an open standard, actually better supported DonnieBoy   | 05/25/06
Benefits Yagotta B. Kidding   | 05/25/06
PNG is a horrible format kokuryu   | 05/25/06
not really CobraA1   | 05/26/06
Yeah, I'll trust another MS image format. gordon@...   | 05/24/06
Trust microsoft?.... Never... atsfsuperchief@...   | 05/25/06
So, MS is up to its old tricks again. dacap06@...   | 05/25/06
Really, it might work, and Microsoft has no choice if they want to maintain DonnieBoy   | 05/25/06
Microsoft is in the business of sheeple mlindl   | 05/25/06
Poor use of research, not needed Prognosticator   | 05/25/06
no need for M$ technology Linux Geek   | 05/25/06
So no open source, I would assume... tschrock   | 05/25/06
Before creating a square wheel ... Henaway   | 05/25/06
Very simple way to handle this situation .. avoid Vista ........ Can you hear me   | 05/25/06
Avoid Vista Then What? caharts2@...   | 05/25/06
Micro Inovation of the Wheel not of this world   | 05/25/06
Image rotation johnay   | 05/25/06
The REAL key to all of this Palmyra   | 05/25/06
is this the zdnet whine and cheese forum? 314   | 05/25/06
Stop telling MS bashers to use common sense. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 05/25/06
Pot Kettle Black? Rick_K   | 05/25/06
My dad is bigger than your dad balsover   | 05/25/06
Confused, aren't you? Rick_K   | 05/25/06
Yet another fantacy of yours? No_Ax_to_Grind   | 05/25/06
LMFAO Rick_K   | 05/25/06
Again, I see where you got LOST. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 05/25/06
Non NBMers ARE using common sense, MacCanuck   | 05/25/06
True of every business... No_Ax_to_Grind   | 05/25/06
Yes, a business needs to look out MacCanuck   | 05/25/06
Simply NOT true. Not even close. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 05/25/06
Just when I thought you were going "intelligent" MacCanuck   | 05/26/06
Why? Rick_K   | 05/25/06
NO ONE IS LOCKED INTO ANYTHING balsover   | 05/25/06
Freeware? Rick_K   | 05/25/06
Talk abotu the Pot and Kettle... No_Ax_to_Grind   | 05/25/06
Yes you Mr. Pot Rick_K   | 05/25/06
Show me... No_Ax_to_Grind   | 05/25/06
Spanked! No_Ax_to_Grind   | 05/25/06
More to the point... John Carroll  ZDNet | 05/25/06
You have no point Rick_K   | 05/25/06
RTFA eb276   | 05/25/06
Really? Yagotta B. Kidding   | 05/25/06
John, you can NOT educate a rock. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 05/25/06
That's why he's not talking to you. ;) Spoon Jabber   | 05/26/06
What are the license terms, John? Yagotta B. Kidding   | 05/25/06
I'm going to try to find out John Carroll  ZDNet | 05/25/06
Guaranteed you will be ITGuy04   | 05/26/06
Another lost poster... No_Ax_to_Grind   | 05/25/06
Not lost at all Rick_K   | 05/25/06
I see how you got LOST No_Ax_to_Grind   | 05/25/06
Both sides rapson   | 05/25/06
Good questions Yagotta B. Kidding   | 05/25/06
Dang, you mean Adobe doesn't create AutoCAD files? No_Ax_to_Grind   | 05/25/06
You are right, MS supports all formats, even No_Ax_to_Grind   | 05/25/06
Rick, quit whining like a school girl. osreinstall   | 05/25/06
Microsoft's jihad Rick_K   | 05/26/06
Hardly osreinstall   | 05/26/06
A solution in search of a problem. enduser_z   | 05/25/06
I have a problem :) LinuxAndWindows   | 05/25/06
Exception that proves the rule. enduser_z   | 05/26/06
I see another exploitable M$ format comming. Mr. Roboto   | 05/25/06
Why shrink images with such large system requirements drgnflyz   | 05/25/06
One word. BANDWIDTH. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 05/25/06
Irrelevant Yagotta B. Kidding   | 05/25/06
Well, I for one . . . 999ad@...   | 05/25/06
Nice but Too late dukeinlondon   | 05/25/06
Same here enduser_z   | 05/26/06
I give them two months to make a virus RIAAsucks   | 05/25/06
Let's be charitable TonyMcS   | 05/25/06
What a feat! myrealname   | 05/25/06
"another brick in the wall"... Nix_0S_Fan   | 05/26/06
Bring it on the*quantum   | 05/26/06
You can't see WDPp An_Axe_to_Grind   | 05/28/06
Well put! (nt) Nix_0S_Fan   | 05/29/06
Couple of questions and potential problems Stellardyne   | 05/30/06

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