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By Ina Fried, News.com
Posted on ZDNet News: Feb 22, 2007 9:16:00 PM

A federal jury in San Diego has ordered Microsoft to pay $1.5 billion to Alcatel-Lucent in a patent dispute over MP3 audio technology used in Windows.

In its verdict, the jury assessed damages based on each Windows PC sold since May 2003. The case could have broader implications, should Alcatel-Lucent pursue claims against other companies that use the widespread MP3 technology.

An Alcatel-Lucent representative praised the ruling.

"We made strong arguments supporting our view, and we're pleased with the court's decision," spokeswoman Mary Lou Ambrus said.

In a statement, Microsoft Deputy General Counsel Tom Burt said the software titan believes that the verdict "is completely unsupported by the law or the facts."

"We will seek relief from the trial court, and if necessary, appeal," Burt said.

The company also noted that roughly half of the damages are for overseas sales of Windows, which could be affected by a separate patent case. That case, currently before the Supreme Court, deals with whether overseas sales of software products should be subject to U.S. patent law.

Microsoft said it believes that it properly licensed MP3 technology from Fraunhofer, paying that company $16 million. Fraunhofer, which helped develop the MP3 compression technology along with Lucent's Bell Labs, has licensed its intellectual property to companies that want to use the audio format in their products. Fraunhofer has since handed the MP3-licensing duties over to Thomson.

Scores of technology companies, including Apple, Intel and Texas Instruments, license the MP3 technology, according to Thomson's MP3licensing.com. An Apple representative declined to comment on the verdict.

"Therefore, today's outcome is disappointing for us and for the hundreds of other companies who have licensed MP3 technology," Burt said. "We are concerned that this decision opens the door for Alcatel-Lucent to pursue action against hundreds of other companies who purchased the rights to use MP3 technology from Fraunhofer, the industry-recognized rightful licensor."

Alcatel-Lucent's Ambrus declined to say whether the company might pursue other companies that use MP3 technology in their products.

The ruling could spur Alcatel-Lucent to seek royalties from other companies, said Andrew Leibnitz, an intellectual property lawyer for Farella Braun and Martel in San Franisco.

"Given this verdict, it wouldn't surprise me if Lucent is even more aggressive in the marketplace about licensing its patents, but it has always been aggressive," Leibnitz said. Leibnitz earlier represented Dolby Labs in a patent dispute over whether one of Dolby's audio codecs infringed on Lucent patents.

While the ruling was large, Leibnitz said some of that is simply by virtue of Microsoft's size. "Anytime Microsoft gets sued, it can be a serious amount of damages at stake, especially when it relates to Windows."

The case dates back to 2003, when Lucent sued PC makers Dell and Gateway over their use of the audio technology. Microsoft stepped into the legal fray and has been embroiled in a widening legal battle with Lucent (now Alcatel-Lucent) ever since.

The jury verdict Thursday relates only to a portion of Alcatel-Lucent's patent claims. Microsoft has also countersued in the case, and there have been additional actions in other legal venues, including an International Trade Commission case filed this week.

"This case is only one part of a larger dispute between Microsoft and Alcatel-Lucent over intellectual property that began when Alcatel-Lucent took aggressive action against our customers and later against Microsoft," Burt said. "We will continue to defend our customers against unfounded claims and are pursuing a number of patent claims against Alcatel-Lucent, including the International Trade Commission case filed earlier this week."

Leibnitz said he expected a protracted fight. "I don't think this is the end of this fight by far."

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True demonstration that MPEG is not a standard
This is true! This just demonstrates that MPEG is not a standard and that it should have never been approved by ISO, it the "partners" are unable to recognize their respective licences in a way that i... (Read the rest)
Posted by: PhilippeV Posted on: 01/14/08 You are currently: Logged In | Log out
So then even having a license John Zern   | 02/22/07
MS's issue? carbonred   | 02/22/07
Should be? voska   | 02/22/07
Should be... Cayble   | 02/24/07
Patent abuse wvhillbilly   | 02/26/07
Agree completely! simul8guy   | 12/27/07
Is the failure at the reading level or understanding level? No_Ax_to_Grind   | 02/22/07
re : Is the failure at the reading level or understanding level? Beyond the Vista, a Snow Leopard is stalking .   | 02/22/07
so then xuniL_z   | 02/22/07
I'm a bit confused by this too mdsmedia   | 02/22/07
Make no sense to me either! mustang_z   | 02/22/07
While I have problems with M$ tactics... Media-Ted@...   | 12/28/07
Not to mention its irrelevant to trying to negate Axes point... Cayble   | 02/24/07
so really Fraunhofer should be sued then ... not microsoft pcguy777   | 12/27/07
Patenting S/W is like patenting math davidsarmstrong   | 02/22/07
Copyright more applicable frgough   | 02/23/07
Copyrights for software, patents for inventions wvhillbilly   | 02/26/07
Good idea, except..... arminw   | 12/28/07
Yep IT_User   | 02/22/07
Once upon a time Update victim   | 12/27/07
Erm... zkiwi   | 02/22/07
Obviously no one else does either. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 02/22/07
This technology of MP3 was created in a joint partnership . Beyond the Vista, a Snow Leopard is stalking .   | 02/22/07
re: This technology of MP3 was created in a joint partnership woad@...   | 02/22/07
I doubt it's a witch hunt... mdsmedia   | 02/22/07
I agree! mustang_z   | 02/22/07
...(litigation) should be between Lucent and Fraunhofer Loggies   | 02/25/07
Excuse Me? re: This technology of MP3 was created in a joint partnership marinsoftworks@...   | 02/27/07
RIIIIGHT.. you hit the nail on the... pcguy777   | 12/27/07
If it's a partnership...FRAUNHOFER should have paid Lucent mdsmedia   | 02/22/07
re: If it's a partnership...FRAUNHOFER should have paid Lucent marinsoftworks@...   | 02/27/07
so Fraunhofer should be liable and not the rest of the planet pcguy777   | 12/27/07
True demonstration that MPEG is not a standard PhilippeV   | 01/14/08
So the question becomes... Cayble   | 02/24/07
So Fraunhofer is innocent? lmenningen   | 02/25/07
In that case... Marty R. Milette   | 12/27/07
for once I agree with you mdsmedia   | 02/22/07
Have you been following the case? daengbo   | 12/27/07
MS has a history of abuse. richard233   | 02/22/07
License, smicense ... abuse.this2@...   | 02/22/07
Fraunhofer is recognized lmenningen   | 02/25/07
thats what many articles like this one fail to recognize pcguy777   | 12/27/07
Good Faith research marinsoftworks@...   | 02/27/07
Here's a better story from the washington post concerning this issue . Beyond the Vista, a Snow Leopard is stalking .   | 02/22/07
so what in the "" does this have to do with ms then pcguy777   | 12/27/07
Here's another goody . This seems to be getting out of hand . Beyond the Vista, a Snow Leopard is stalking .   | 02/22/07
Apple takes the horses by the reign . Go APPLE GO ! Beyond the Vista, a Snow Leopard is stalking .   | 02/22/07
confusing... zoroaster   | 02/22/07
So then even having a license... Willy the JOAT   | 02/22/07
Microsoft hit with $1.5 billion patent verdict Loverock Davidson   | 02/22/07
How so? tic swayback   | 02/22/07
Easily Loverock Davidson   | 02/22/07
You know, they used to say that about GM, too... Zeppo9191   | 02/22/07
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actually Lovey makes a good point mdsmedia   | 02/22/07
Why up the fine? tic swayback   | 02/22/07
It's Lovey logic.... shawkins   | 02/22/07
They should only be fined what "the real cost" WOULD have been pcguy777   | 12/27/07
No one needs more than 640k of RAM puggsly   | 02/22/07
What have you against Apple? voska   | 02/22/07
They cost too much Loverock Davidson   | 02/22/07
The truth is that you can't afford it L.D. Beyond the Vista, a Snow Leopard is stalking .   | 02/22/07
I'm forced to agree <gasp> with Loverock... Raymond Danner   | 02/22/07
Example? cmjrees   | 02/22/07
If you research post FACTS puggsly   | 02/22/07
RE: If you research post FACTS Lynne's Honey   | 02/24/07
The DELL chip is faster hahahahhahaha pcguy777   | 12/27/07
then you could sue MS for not allowing mdsmedia   | 02/22/07
A small nit wolf_z   | 02/23/07
Not quite enough said... ajole   | 02/22/07
90%?!? rx7racer   | 02/22/07
Sour grapes frgough   | 02/23/07
thats only in your mind pal pcguy777   | 12/27/07
except Mectron   | 02/22/07
Absolute garbage unless Cayble   | 02/24/07
You forget another thing jrbeaman   | 12/27/07
No they don't puggsly   | 02/22/07
windows xp pro notebooks w' wifi pcguy777   | 12/27/07
How could you not think of Apple and MP3s? babar77   | 02/22/07
Someone lied to you, or you didn't look into Vista very well ajole   | 02/22/07
You might be right, but... babar77   | 02/22/07
Bravo , Bravo ! Beyond the Vista, a Snow Leopard is stalking .   | 02/22/07
HD/Vista Myths woad@...   | 02/22/07
You missed the CRT bit. babar77   | 02/22/07
Wow, XP/OSX/Linux rock!! NonZealot   | 02/22/07
completely wrong MacKeyser   | 02/23/07
You are so far out to lunch you lack all credibility Cayble   | 02/24/07
why dont you explain the diff between apple crt's and everyone elses then pcguy777   | 12/27/07
LRD what rock do you live under? jfmiii   | 02/22/07
Uhm... the topic is actually MP3 licensing.... Loggies   | 02/25/07
DOH! jrbeaman   | 12/27/07
You're talking out of both sides of your mouth again, LD Zeppo9191   | 02/22/07
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Linux, duh macoafi   | 02/22/07
re: Linux, duh woad@...   | 02/22/07
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ogg vorbis wvhillbilly   | 02/26/07
I'm not thinking OS NonZealot   | 02/22/07
Microsoft is already doing the work . Beyond the Vista, a Snow Leopard is stalking .   | 02/22/07
How many iPods? NonZealot   | 02/22/07
Use OGG davidr69   | 02/22/07
You are so right , .ogg is superior to .mp3 . <NT> Beyond the Vista, a Snow Leopard is stalking .   | 02/22/07
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My goodness! Aren't you vicious, Mr Davidson? lbarker@...   | 02/22/07
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Makes no difference, the iPod No_Ax_to_Grind   | 02/22/07
So if anything happens Beyond the Vista, a Snow Leopard is stalking .   | 02/22/07
Apple will innovate a time machine? NonZealot   | 02/22/07
I doubt very much that APPLE will be hurt by this . Beyond the Vista, a Snow Leopard is stalking .   | 02/22/07
For future reference fuzzy2k   | 02/23/07
Anything... justanitguy   | 02/23/07
Just so as you remember... zkiwi   | 02/22/07
oh, poor lovey-dovey zoroaster   | 02/22/07
Of course, it makes sense to hit the biggest supplier... nix_hed   | 02/22/07
Fines are often set based upon ... mwagner@...  ZDNet | 02/23/07
Sure it makes sense... BFD   | 02/23/07
Who has to respect intellectual property rights? (nt) Henry Miller   | 02/22/07
Obviously the ones that PAID for it No_Ax_to_Grind   | 02/22/07
They didn't pay Lucent Bell Labs / Alcatel you bonehead . <NT> Beyond the Vista, a Snow Leopard is stalking .   | 02/22/07
Really, bonehead? RSDan   | 02/23/07
One small point lost in this story... Confused by religion   | 02/22/07
Parasitic Patent Tactics Peopleunit   | 02/22/07
Too Much Common Sense Ole Man   | 02/23/07
Patent trolls wvhillbilly   | 02/26/07
generally... zoroaster   | 02/22/07
But MS wasn't originally sued... Allstar_z   | 02/24/07
Mr Ballmer how you been fibbing again martin23   | 02/22/07
I'm betting there is Linux code written into Windows Vista . <NT> Beyond the Vista, a Snow Leopard is stalking .   | 02/22/07
Explain the licensing to me.... xuniL_z   | 02/22/07
Many folks hate MS . Beyond the Vista, a Snow Leopard is stalking .   | 02/22/07
Wonder if they'll sue sites that offer Boot_Agnostic   | 02/23/07
No, just losers... BFD   | 02/23/07
Hmmm trying to dominate? willpd13   | 12/28/07
Google, GPL Filker0_z   | 02/22/07
Re: Google, GPL criderja   | 02/23/07
hah... zoroaster   | 02/22/07
Linux embedded in Windows Vista? schwagerjt@...   | 02/23/07
FIVE! davedufour   | 02/22/07
Poor Bill martin23   | 02/22/07
Yes, you are clueless. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 02/22/07
You are blinded by your distaste for open source Filker0_z   | 02/22/07
Message has been deleted. brichter   | 02/22/07
Sure we do Linux User 147560   | 02/22/07
At least I can read martin23   | 02/22/07
Read it one more time please No_Ax_to_Grind   | 02/23/07
Why Open Source doesn't pay for IP? wvhillbilly   | 02/26/07
And Apple Inovates????????? Sean_Ssss   | 02/22/07
Yes. The click-wheel is one. babar77   | 02/22/07
Click Wheel, Whoop de Doo!!! Sean_Ssss   | 02/22/07
Cheap, innovative? aperez@...   | 02/23/07
Turbo Pascal Price dmenke   | 03/02/07
mac interface... Mad Maximus   | 02/25/07
To be fair, Joel R   | 02/23/07
Many despise Microsoft for their tactics . Beyond the Vista, a Snow Leopard is stalking .   | 02/22/07
Huh? BFD   | 02/23/07
Well you asked so here ya go! Linux User 147560   | 02/22/07
What is your point? Code Poet   | 02/23/07
OMG - what an idiot wininpitt   | 02/25/07
In case you hadn't noticed... zkiwi   | 02/22/07
Time To Go Back & Read The History Again Mr_Wizard   | 02/23/07
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I Don't Agree.... Mr_Wizard   | 02/24/07
Well... zkiwi   | 02/24/07
Actually wininpitt   | 02/25/07
As if... Tim Patterson   | 02/22/07
Did you ever see the Simpson's episode Linux User 147560   | 02/22/07
Don't forget Interconnects between devices. babar77   | 02/22/07
Software patents trm1945   | 02/22/07