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Posted on ZDNet News: May 14, 2007 2:35:00 AM

Microsoft claims that free and open-source software violates 235 of its patents, according to a magazine report published Sunday.

In an interview with Fortune, Microsoft top lawyer Brad Smith alleges that the Linux kernel violates 42 Microsoft patents, while its user interface and other design elements infringe on a further 65. OpenOffice.org is accused of infringing 45, along with 83 more in other free and open-source programs, according to Fortune.

It is not entirely clear how Microsoft might proceed in enforcing these patents, but the company has been encouraging large tech companies that depend on Linux to ink patent deals, starting with its controversial pact with Novell last November. Microsoft has also cited Linux protection playing a role in recent patent swap deals with Samsung and Fuji Xerox. Microsoft has also had discussions but not reached a deal with Red Hat, as noted in the Fortune article.

Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer is also quoted in the article as saying Microsoft's open-source competitors need to "play by the same rules as the rest of the business."

"What's fair is fair," Ballmer told Fortune. "We live in a world where we honor, and support the honoring of, intellectual property."

The story notes that some big tech proponents of open source have been stockpiling intellectual property as part of the Open Invention Network, set up in 2005 by folks like Sony, Red Hat, IBM, NEC and Philips. The article surmises that if Microsoft were to go after open source, these companies' combined know-how might give it some patent weapons to go after Windows.

A Microsoft representative did not immediately respond to an e-mail seeking comment.

Given how deeply entrenched open-source software has become in the computing industry, taking direct legal action against the open-source realm would be a complicated, hackle-raising undertaking for Microsoft. Customers use open-source software widely, and many major computing companies--IBM, Dell, Sun Microsystems, Hewlett-Packard, Motorola and Oracle, for example--support Linux work directly.

It's not the first time that open-source patent concerns have arisen. A 2004 study by a Open Source Risk Management, a company selling insurance against risks of using open-source software, concluded that Linux could violate at least 283 patents, 27 of them Microsoft patents.

Patents and the open-source movement get along awkwardly at best. Patent law gives proprietary, exclusive rights to patent holders, but open-source programming is built on the idea of free sharing. Newer open-source licenses sometimes address the issue by requiring contributors to open-source projects to grant users and developers of the software a perpetual, royalty-free license to any patents that relate to the contribution.

Different companies have dealt in different ways with the open-source patent conundrum. For example, HP has taken a pro-patent stance, while IBM, Nokia, Sun and others have granted some rights to use some of their patents in open-source software.

The Open Invention Network remains a relatively young effort, but it has attracted participation this year from proprietary software giant Oracle and from Linux support seller Canonical. A company may license the network's patents for free as long as they promise not to assert any patent claims against those involved in the "Linux environment."

The Free Software Foundation is working on a new draft of the General Public License, one element of which will ban partnerships such as the one struck by Novell and Microsoft.

Microsoft claims that free and open-source software violates 235 of its patents, according to a magazine report published Sunday.

In an interview with Fortune, Microsoft top lawyer Brad Smith alleges that the Linux kernel violates 42 Microsoft patents, while its user interface and other design elements infringe on a further 65. OpenOffice.org is accused of infringing 45, along with 83 more in other free and open-source programs, according to Fortune.

It is not entirely clear how Microsoft might proceed in enforcing these patents, but the company has been encouraging large tech companies that depend on Linux to ink patent deals, starting with its controversial pact with Novell last November. Microsoft has also cited Linux protection playing a role in recent patent swap deals with Samsung and Fuji Xerox. Microsoft has also had discussions but not reached a deal with Red Hat, as noted in the Fortune article.

Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer is also quoted in the article as saying Microsoft's open-source competitors need to "play by the same rules as the rest of the business."

"What's fair is fair," Ballmer told Fortune. "We live in a world where we honor, and support the honoring of, intellectual property."

The story notes that some big tech proponents of open source have been stockpiling intellectual property as part of the Open Invention Network, set up in 2005 by folks like Sony, Red Hat, IBM, NEC and Philips. The article surmises that if Microsoft were to go after open source, these companies' combined know-how might give it some patent weapons to go after Windows.

A Microsoft representative did not immediately respond to an e-mail seeking comment.

Given how deeply entrenched open-source software has become in the computing industry, taking direct legal action against the open-source realm would be a complicated, hackle-raising undertaking for Microsoft. Customers use open-source software widely, and many major computing companies--IBM, Dell, Sun Microsystems, Hewlett-Packard, Motorola and Oracle, for example--support Linux work directly.

It's not the first time that open-source patent concerns have arisen. A 2004 study by a Open Source Risk Management, a company selling insurance against risks of using open-source software, concluded that Linux could violate at least 283 patents, 27 of them Microsoft patents.

Patents and the open-source movement get along awkwardly at best. Patent law gives proprietary, exclusive rights to patent holders, but open-source programming is built on the idea of free sharing. Newer open-source licenses sometimes address the issue by requiring contributors to open-source projects to grant users and developers of the software a perpetual, royalty-free license to any patents that relate to the contribution.

Different companies have dealt in different ways with the open-source patent conundrum. For example, HP has taken a pro-patent stance, while IBM, Nokia, Sun and others have granted some rights to use some of their patents in open-source software.

The Open Invention Network remains a relatively young effort, but it has attracted participation this year from proprietary software giant Oracle and from Linux support seller Canonical. A company may license the network's patents for free as long as they promise not to assert any patent claims against those involved in the "Linux environment."

The Free Software Foundation is working on a new draft of the General Public License, one element of which will ban partnerships such as the one struck by Novell and Microsoft.

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this proves many patents shouldn't be filed and accepted
This proves that many patents shouldn't be filed and accepted
by the patent office. If there are this many way-after-the-fact
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MS say open source violates 235 patents rondev   | 05/13/07
LOOK EVERYONE HE MENTIONS ME!!!@*(@()!!! Loverock Davidson   | 05/13/07
MENTIONS ME!!!@*(@()!!! ator1940   | 05/14/07
Hey everyone, I am a... tek_heretik   | 05/14/07
Get a grip, say something useful intrepi@...   | 05/14/07
You need to get a grip yourself 9topaz   | 05/14/07
Conform to the linux way Sparhawk_z   | 05/16/07
ADHD or just barely ....!!!! kmyat   | 05/14/07
"Hands up!.... DCMann   | 05/15/07
RE:MS say open source violates 235 patents joe6pack_z   | 05/14/07
Software Patents are BOGUS fordomatic69@...   | 05/14/07
my copyright linuxoverwindows   | 05/14/07
Nice Code David@...   | 05/14/07
Get Real David@...   | 05/14/07
likewise trellix78@...   | 05/14/07
Language Used gilgamesh_z   | 05/14/07
Eh? JulesLt   | 05/15/07
My thoughts on this.... DCMann   | 05/15/07
You need the right comparison G Fedorchuk   | 05/17/07
I guess everyone except Microsoft has the right to sue? FatherJ   | 05/14/07
Anyone can sue anyone!!! Hans Schmidt   | 05/14/07
There is a way... ajole   | 05/14/07
Its about time we got to this because... Cayble   | 05/14/07
broader range of the public yu_forum@...   | 05/21/07
dude 64bitdude   | 07/29/07
Microsoft Patent infrigment David@...   | 05/14/07
Everyone violates other patents A.Sinic   | 05/15/07
One more, unknown in the US pkrdk   | 05/15/07
Prior Work gilgamesh_z   | 05/13/07
And that is the problem for MS. If they were to actually file lawsuits, DonnieBoy   | 05/13/07
Brad Smith Must Go mighetto   | 05/14/07
well, microsoft ... linuxoverwindows   | 05/14/07
Interesting Theory David@...   | 05/14/07
Know when to fold'em know when to hold'em. ProfessorJWN   | 05/14/07
Apple Desktop TheNose   | 05/14/07
Freakin' Lyin' Bast***s! avivaldi@...   | 05/13/07
Those idiots at Novell! laredoflash@...   | 05/13/07
Um, what? wolf_z   | 05/14/07
It's not really confusing as it was predictable intrepi@...   | 05/14/07
except... woot!   | 05/14/07
cant kill open source linuxoverwindows   | 05/14/07
Nobody can't kill good will ! kmyat   | 05/14/07
free is what i use linuxoverwindows   | 05/14/07
"Nobody can't kill good will !"? Nobu_z   | 05/16/07
That's Silly! hforman@...   | 05/14/07
Duh! Linux is OPEN!!! A.Sinic   | 05/15/07
Microsoft is anti-capitalist evilmind   | 05/13/07
evilmind you have it wrong Microsoft is pro-capitalist SO.CAL Guy   | 05/13/07
Please don't lie about socialism, Sir orlusha   | 05/14/07
I stand by my statement orlusha SO.CAL Guy   | 05/14/07
Again: You don't know socialism orlusha   | 05/14/07
its the end of the world as we know it... linuxoverwindows   | 05/14/07
when communism wins IndredKold   | 05/14/07
communism is not fro rich society orlusha   | 05/14/07
consumption demands yu_forum@...   | 05/21/07
you forgot one... linuxoverwindows   | 05/14/07
Please read my posts attentively. orlusha   | 05/14/07
hey, i hate microsoft linuxoverwindows   | 05/14/07
ROTFLMFAO!!! My sentiments, too. btljooz   | 05/14/07
Great intellects among the anti-MS crowd as always - NT mlambert890@...   | 05/14/07
dont get me wrong linuxoverwindows   | 05/14/07
This Is Uncalled For Cardhu   | 05/16/07
touched a nerve? linuxoverwindows   | 05/17/07
No Cardhu   | 05/17/07
Well OK then... mlambert890@...   | 05/14/07
Don't think I'm angry to US... orlusha   | 05/14/07
Wait, you mean the war in Iraq is over Windows? ajole   | 05/14/07
The war in Iraq is over OIL, not Windows or democracy. orlusha   | 05/14/07
Dream on orlusha Dream on SO.CAL Guy   | 05/14/07
Be lusky those who monitor, orlusha   | 05/14/07
props IndredKold   | 05/14/07
orlusha you want facts I'll give you a few SO.CAL Guy   | 05/15/07
. . . . . . a_wellstead@...   | 01/03/08
no he thinks software and from what i read everything should be free (NT) SO.CAL Guy   | 05/14/07
everything should be free (NT) except real labour orlusha   | 05/14/07
DO YOU EAT???? wjkahlssmd@...   | 05/15/07
Red Herrings Cardhu   | 05/16/07
Not a Capitalist or Socialist Issue Cardhu   | 05/14/07
if what you say is true and not just your observation SO.CAL Guy   | 05/14/07
that's true, unfortunately. orlusha   | 05/14/07
It's An Informed Observation Cardhu   | 05/15/07
Sorry but that isn't capitaism... magusat999@...   | 05/20/07
Open source free? D-Ram   | 05/14/07
youre using the wrong server linuxoverwindows   | 05/14/07
I couldn't have said it any better. rdwyrick   | 05/14/07
who are you paying and for what? linuxoverwindows   | 05/14/07
Great Point David@...   | 05/14/07
Have to pay for it - or learn to support by yourself orlusha   | 05/15/07
I have to disagree FoxFord   | 05/15/07
Supporting is not only removing flaws. orlusha   | 05/15/07
oss linuxoverwindows   | 05/17/07
Two sides A.Sinic   | 05/15/07
Flawy open OS will die - free competition! orlusha   | 05/15/07
however... trellix78@...   | 05/15/07
no support at all? linuxoverwindows   | 05/17/07
Misunderstanding pkrdk   | 05/15/07
mircosoft anti capitalist mdcool   | 05/14/07
definition of capitalism? IndredKold   | 05/14/07
- definition of socialism orlusha   | 05/15/07
definition of socialism...cont. rooikat   | 05/15/07
What I meant... orlusha   | 05/15/07
Message has been deleted. yu_forum@...   | 05/21/07
Envy and ignorance David@...   | 05/14/07
With bad laws, bad conduct is not illegal orlusha   | 05/15/07
Pandora's Box? Miller_s_Ink@...   | 05/13/07
Report: Microsoft says open source violates 235 patents Loverock Davidson   | 05/13/07
Don't you think that if MS had anything to win from a lawsuit, they would DonnieBoy   | 05/13/07
Another pointless post FatherJ   | 05/14/07
You forget that MS has extremely deep pockets, and compared to revenue, DonnieBoy   | 05/14/07
But why would you spend the money if you don't have to? FatherJ   | 05/15/07
Doesn't Sound Like A "Father" Cardhu   | 05/16/07
:) 64bitdude   | 07/29/07
While I agree with your idea... ajole   | 05/14/07
Capitalism at work! David@...   | 05/14/07
Imperialism at work! orlusha   | 05/15/07
Ok, Stevie baby, thanks for the advice. jetzon   | 05/13/07
The worst part is.. ju1ce   | 05/14/07
They usually pay for them though FatherJ   | 05/14/07
And here's proof ... Linux_4u!   | 05/14/07
On that # and System patent 5//1/07 evfain@...   | 05/14/07
Maybe I should look at MS and see the holes then pattent those gilgamesh_z   | 05/14/07
If you can't make an OS that works, blackmail those who can. deleweye   | 05/14/07
deleweye i think MS has an OS that works or they would not be on top SO.CAL Guy   | 05/14/07
pthhh digitnsm   | 05/14/07
speaking of moving windows... linuxoverwindows   | 05/14/07
Helllllooooo!!!!!!........... btljooz   | 05/14/07
market schmarket linuxoverwindows   | 05/14/07
It's called "least objectionable alternative". deleweye   | 05/14/07
when windows was first introduced linuxoverwindows   | 05/17/07
microsoft skyrocketed yu_forum@...   | 05/21/07
Open source and Free is not the same! orlusha   | 05/15/07
i dont care for ubuntu linuxoverwindows   | 05/17/07
what? trellix78@...   | 05/15/07
preaching to the choir linuxoverwindows   | 05/17/07
better off without it? 7h3C4tm4n   | 05/14/07
Defense for Loverock thomas4143   | 05/14/07
RE: Defense for Loverock joe6pack_z   | 05/14/07
RE: Defence for loverock 7h3C4tm4n   | 05/14/07
or even... linuxoverwindows   | 05/17/07
How many applications and OSes do you interactively work on daily basic? kmyat   | 05/14/07
nicely said (nt) linuxoverwindows   | 05/17/07
Your lawsuit would fail. FatherJ   | 05/14/07
Who found these advisories? orlusha   | 05/15/07
Identical code may not necessarily mean copying orlusha   | 05/14/07
Sloppy argument... Allstar_z   | 05/14/07
If sloppy, then just a little: the same is outside America orlusha   | 05/15/07
so if i were to use, say... linuxoverwindows   | 05/17/07
Loverock, dude? Raymond Danner   | 05/14/07
mac OSh D-Ram   | 05/14/07
do some research yu_forum@...   | 05/21/07
Proof it! NemesisNL   | 05/14/07
Who copied " administrative" priviledges ? intrepi@...   | 05/14/07
exactly... linuxoverwindows   | 05/14/07
??? IndredKold   | 05/14/07
Newcomer? Freebird54   | 05/14/07
Nice comment! tuxcymraeg   | 06/24/07
Come on Stevie. BRING IT ON. File those lawsuits. Point to the violations. DonnieBoy   | 05/13/07
BRING IT ON>??? sy34010   | 05/14/07
Yep, BRING IT ON. They can't put me out of business, only companies like DonnieBoy   | 05/14/07
And, since IBM has more patents that MS, how many patenst does Windows DonnieBoy   | 05/13/07
That's most likely Microsoft BS jcreddy   | 05/13/07
think twice ruped24   | 05/13/07
If You Can't Beat 'Em Sue 'Em butlerj   | 05/13/07
Microsoft says open source violates 235 patents cablemirc   | 05/13/07
Deep pockets giorgio_z   | 05/14/07
Ya whatever mark.chaffee@...   | 05/14/07
MicroSoft vs Linux ( pattent pending) RPJr   | 05/14/07
And Microsoft did not rip off a thing? Excuse me Bill! RShea78   | 05/14/07
Your memory of history is a bit selective archangel999   | 05/14/07
Still, Microsoft copied the GUI, the Internet, they used the C programming DonnieBoy   | 05/14/07
Are you nuts, DonnieBoy? ken_ballard@...   | 05/14/07
I didn't say nobody else has copied. I just said that MS is just as guilty DonnieBoy   | 05/14/07
Guilty how? ken_ballard@...   | 05/15/07
There already is Dean_NR   | 05/14/07
MS probably violates or illegally included OSS Boot_Agnostic   | 05/14/07
prior art? kermidge   | 05/14/07
They'll never sue davidsarmstrong   | 05/14/07
Sounds like ..Three Letters ... SCO (nt) el1jones   | 05/14/07
Patent violation, how odd microsoft should say that. bbeb0317   | 05/14/07
Reasonable argument thomas4143   | 05/14/07
Open Source copying IS fair play; MS shows almost no innovation stever777   | 05/14/07
Thanks for examples thomas4143   | 05/14/07
Clarification thomas4143   | 05/14/07
It might be plagerism if they didn't admit what they were doing. But, m