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By Peter Judge ZDNet.co.uk
Posted on ZDNet News: Mar 31, 2008 7:30:54 AM

As Microsoft's bid to have its Office Open XML specification made an ISO standard the counting of the votes on Monday, more details have emerged of last month's controversial meeting in Geneva which attempted to resolve technical issues.

In the run-up to the deadline, some national standards bodies changed their stance. Denmark made a last-minute switch to approve Office Open XML (OOXML), while the British Standards Institution (BSI) had been advised by a technical committee to change its vote to "yes". The BSI Friday refused to say whether it will follow that advice, promising a statement on Monday; the vast majority of standards bodies will keep silent until after the deadline passes.

The silence around last month's controversial ballot resolution meeting has been broken, however, with details supplied by a Brazilian delegate providing a "shocking tale", according to IT law site Groklaw's detailed post. The site links to the original meeting notes, and also suggests that South Korea's vote has changed from "no" to "yes".

Delegates to the meeting, held in Geneva, were presented with a decision like the one facing the central character of the movie Sophie's Choice, in which a woman has to decide which of her children will die, according to Brazilian delegate Jomar Silva.

After working painstakingly through a tiny minority of the issues which national standards bodies had raised with the OOXML specification, the vast majority of issues were lumped together and the delegates given four options: either accept them all, reject them all, hand them over unresolved to ISO's Information Technology Task Force (ITTF), or else go for a "batch-approval" vote. Silva called the last option "the least ridiculous", although it apparently ended up resolving 81 percent of the comments at a stroke.

It has also emerged from the list of attendees that, of around 120 people at the meeting, 17 of the national delegates were employees of Microsoft, as were two of the representatives of the fast-track standards body Ecma, while others, such as those representing Clever Age, are Microsoft affiliates, according to Groklaw. By contrast, IBM had nine delegates, Sun had two and Oracle had one.

With full details of the meeting only just emerging, standards makers around the world are evaluating whether it actually resolved their issues effectively. The Danish standards body, for instance, has said it is satisfied with the batch-approval of its comments. Others may not be sure yet but they had until midnight on Saturday to decide.

"The bottom line is that, in my view, this race will be too close to call until the final announcement is made on Monday or the vote reaches the public informally through one of the [national bodies], who will be given private access to the results once they are tabulated," said standards lawyer Andy Updegrove on his Standards Blog on Thursday.

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Posted by: Boot_Agnostic Posted on: 04/23/08 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
*New* news of *new* shocking meetings...  dpnewkirk | 03/31/08
How about cross-checking the sources...?  aemarques | 03/31/08
Don't expect any fact from those who violate  wackoae | 03/31/08
DIN is talking about their vote, no others  orcmid | 03/31/08
Authoritative, that is  orcmid | 03/31/08
The problem  maldain | 03/31/08
Never saw a crook yet.........  Ole Man | 03/31/08
Tennessee Williams  Jack-Booted EULA | 04/01/08
LOL...  Qbt | 03/31/08
I cannot think of a less accurate way..  I_like_walter_kaufmann | 03/31/08
it's simple really..  Monkey_MCSE | 03/31/08
That's a big "AMEN" on all of your post. [nt]  Arm A. Geddon | 03/31/08
did you ever check the site?  dcardozo | 03/31/08
Groklaw a tabloid .... you must be an idiot  wackoae | 03/31/08
And another "AMEN." [nt]  Arm A. Geddon | 03/31/08
And a big Hoorah!, also....... NT  Ole Man | 03/31/08
It's a useful post, actually...  dpnewkirk | 03/31/08
Yes, the methods are becoming clear...  Ole Man | 03/31/08
Tabloid, no.  JimSatterfieldW | 04/01/08
not get all religious about technology companies  Ole Man | 04/01/08
Don't expect any fact from those who violate  wackoae | 03/31/08
RE: Details emerge of 'shocking' OOXML meeting  Confused by religion | 03/31/08
RE: Details emerge of 'shocking' OOXML meeting  sent2null | 03/31/08
The Link is Already There!  Isocrates | 04/02/08
mea culpa  sent2null | 03/31/08
Well Done Microsoft !  paul@... | 03/31/08
The same could be said...  DB_z | 03/31/08
Hmmm...  Confused by religion | 03/31/08
Best you've got?  russellphoto_z | 03/31/08
first:  evilkillerwhale@... | 03/31/08
totallly agree with you  paul@... | 03/31/08
This lot may be a bit old but...  odubtaig | 04/02/08
Please let us know...  DNSB | 04/01/08
You've Got to Be Kidding  rjacksix | 04/02/08
No, flash runs on ActionScript VM.  odubtaig | 04/02/08
re: The same could be said...  Isocrates | 04/02/08
nope not "selling" microsoft evangelists call it "stacking" a committee  stevey_d | 04/01/08
Hold on a second fan boy  Jambalaya Breath | 04/02/08
OOXML meeting  subscription@... | 03/31/08
RE: Details emerge of 'shocking' OOXML meeting  j@... | 03/31/08
RE: Details emerge of 'shocking' OOXML meeting  mozzis | 03/31/08
Technically Superior Huh  Ive converted | 03/31/08
Re: OOXML is technically superior. . .  hkommedal | 04/01/08
point me to an analysis showing that it is superior  stevey_d | 04/01/08
As I've said in other comments.  odubtaig | 04/02/08
RE: Details emerge of 'shocking' OOXML meeting  mozzis | 03/31/08
Technically superior in what aspect?  Monkey_MCSE | 03/31/08
Wasn't it Chicken Little?  Ole Man | 03/31/08
OpenDoc?  Fred Fredrickson | 04/01/08
Re. Superior.  hkommedal | 04/01/08
RE: Details emerge of 'shocking' OOXML meeting  pueblonative | 03/31/08
Free Money for the EU  neil.postlethwaite@... | 04/01/08
Re: Free Money for the EU.  hkommedal | 04/01/08
RE: Details emerge of 'shocking' OOXML meeting  Gordon_Fern | 04/01/08
You've got that...  CreepinJesus | 04/01/08
Would it not be well over due to get them to stick to  hkommedal | 04/01/08
RE: Details emerge of 'shocking' OOXML meeting  Boot_Agnostic | 04/01/08
RE: Details emerge of 'shocking' OOXML meeting  Shadowbelly | 04/01/08
Didn't say it was nice  Sagax- | 04/01/08
You don't happen to know the going price of ANSI ?  hkommedal | 04/01/08
nope I don't see why we should let the money win  stevey_d | 04/02/08
Wrong  Jambalaya Breath | 04/02/08
I'm sure that was said about the British Empire...  odubtaig | 04/02/08
Then the body in question  Boot_Agnostic | 04/23/08
Sure it's fine to say "get over it", but...  CowLauncher | 04/01/08
RE: Details emerge of 'shocking' OOXML meeting  mbmiller@... | 04/02/08
Survey says:  Jambalaya Breath | 04/02/08

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