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By Andy McCue, News.com
Posted on ZDNet News: Jul 16, 2007 6:59:00 PM

The cost of upgrading to Windows Vista is forcing more organizations to evaluate alternatives including Apple Macs and Linux for the desktop.

Half of silicon.com's 12-strong CIO Jury IT user panel said the Vista factor is likely to lead to an increase in Macs on the desktop in the corporate computing environment.

That echoes the comments of Capital & Regional CIO Richard Snooks who said in an interview with silicon.com this week that given the cost of being "railroaded" by Microsoft onto Vista, Macs are now "smarter money".

Nicholas Bellenberg, IT director at publisher Hachette Filipacchi UK, said his company runs lots of Macs with good cross-platform compatibility with Microsoft applications--though he added Entourage on the Mac doesn't match Outlook on the PC for functionality.

Bellenberg said open source is another serious alternative on the desktop. He said: "What I would also expect is that there will also be more people trying out Ubuntu Linux and the like. If fellow CIOs haven't checked this out, they should do. Perhaps it's obvious but the quality of open source desktop software has come on no-end since I last reviewed it."

But Gavin Whatrup, group IT director at marketing agency Creston, said the cost of Apple hardware is still a barrier preventing more widespread deployment of Macs.

He said: "With a mid-range Mac still being approximately 33 per cent more expensive than its Dell equivalent, don't expect a mass migration to the Mac any time soon. OS X may be improving but it still has a long way to go to be as heterogeneously robust as Windows XP."

Graham Yellowley, director of technology services at investment bank Mitsubishi UFJ Securities International, said the mass population will stay with the PC due to the number of applications that work with the hardware and operating system.

He said: "There would have to be a seismic shift in total cost of ownership to force a number of companies to jump from PC to Mac. The cost of transition is another barrier to wholesale change."

Increasing adoption of thin-client infrastructures is also tipped to have an impact on the desktop. Mark Devine, IT director at ACCA, said: "The end-points will become less important but thin devices will prevail especially in those organizations that have refresh strategy and treat PCs as revenue rather than capital items."

For public sector organizations national procurement frameworks and contracts can also be a barrier to moving away from the standard Windows desktop environment.

Alan Shrimpton, head of IS at Avon and Somerset Constabulary, said: "Many of our applications are mandated on us by existing national contracts and they are all based on a Windows desktop. However, from a personal perspective, if I didn't have that constraint then I would certainly want to look at all of my desktop options including Apple Macs."

Today's CIO Jury was...

Florentin Albu, ICT manager, EUMETSAT
Alastair Behenna, CIO, Harvey Nash
Nicholas Bellenberg, IT director, Hachette Filipacchi UK
Mark Devine, IT director, ACCA
Michael Elliot, IT director, Hasbro
Steve Gediking, head of IT & facilities, Independent Police Complaints Commission
Christopher Linfoot, IT director, LDV Group
Jacques Rene, CTO, Ascend Aerospace
Alan Shrimpton, Avon and Somerset Constabulary
Robert Wharton, CIO, Colt Telecom
Gavin Whatrup, group IT director, Creston
Graham Yellowley, director of technology services, Mitsubishi UFJ Securities International

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Funny that he says the cost of migration to another system is higher... As my computer crashed completely I went to get a new one... no choice with job deadlines coming up. I ended up with an Intel IM... (Read the rest)
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Will Vista cause a switch to Macs, Linux? Loverock Davidson   | 07/16/07
Woot! zkiwi   | 07/16/07
Vista Versions? ye   | 07/16/07
Gotta love this... Cardinal_Bill   | 07/16/07
Show me where I said it was free. ye   | 07/16/07
Question there ! jackie40d@...   | 07/17/07
Again: Show me where I said it was free. ye   | 07/17/07
Haha homemade computers in the workplace ARiggz   | 07/17/07
Uh... Get a job in IT.. THEN come back and try it again.. Wolfie2K3   | 07/17/07
uh... evilkillerwhale@...   | 07/17/07
Given the RAM, it will Freebird54   | 07/17/07
You forgot zkiwi   | 07/16/07
I forgot nothing. ye   | 07/16/07
Hook, Line, and Sinker Kid Icarus   | 07/16/07
righto - zoroaster   | 07/17/07
sbcjohn3 sbcjohn3   | 08/13/07
Huh? handydan918   | 07/17/07
I prefer OS X. Preference doesn't mean better. ye   | 07/17/07
Really? zkiwi   | 07/17/07
In the end none said that would migrate away from Windows ye   | 07/17/07
switching from Vista Khyron   | 07/17/07
They also “forgot” Billsey   | 07/17/07
What's in the box chromeronin   | 07/17/07
Driver Support better in Vista jakenhauser   | 07/17/07
OK, then prove it. ye   | 07/17/07
No no no no no Ole Man   | 07/17/07
OK...walk into any computer store ye   | 07/17/07
So what did you prove? Ole Man   | 07/17/07
I proved that Vista is better supported than any other... ye   | 07/17/07
You proved diddly squat, Ye Ole Man   | 07/17/07
I'll take your lack of support as your acknowledgement... ye   | 07/17/07
Interesting, ye . . . . JLHenry   | 07/17/07
Nice ad hominem JL. When you have a real argument... ye   | 07/17/07
I am guess ing they still have XP ! jackie40d@...   | 07/17/07
Cost of Vista is essentially the same. ye   | 07/17/07
"Cost of Vista is essentially the same" Ole Man   | 07/17/07
One that you are imagining. ye   | 07/17/07
One that you are imagining Ole Man   | 07/17/07
Another one of your strawmen. ye   | 07/17/07
Your comparison is to anything Ole Man   | 07/17/07
Subject was XP therefore my comparison to it. ye   | 07/17/07
Subject was XP Ole Man   | 07/17/07
Can you do anything else but build strawmen? ye   | 07/17/07
Cost of Vista is essentially the same to ???? combrink   | 07/20/07
All that training Ole Man   | 08/09/07
Get a clue... Wolfie2K3   | 07/17/07
lots like 11,000? Khyron   | 07/17/07
You can get a cheaper hooker than that on the phone Ole Man   | 08/09/07
Hold the phone... Right answer, wrong assumption. Wolfie2K3   | 07/17/07
You left out Vista Basic and Premium intrepi@...   | 07/17/07
Hardware Necrolin   | 07/18/07
Mac OSX MacGeek2121   | 08/09/07
Whoomp there it is! Loverock Davidson   | 07/17/07
Do the world a favor - switch to Vista... macbill   | 07/17/07
uh huh Spiritusindomit@...   | 07/17/07
ROFLMAO ! jackie40d@...   | 07/17/07
Whoomp there it is! ( WAS ) jackie40d@...   | 07/17/07
Whoomp there it is! Ole Man   | 07/17/07
And your point is..? Wolfie2K3   | 07/17/07
Plenty of points there Ole Man   | 07/17/07
Here's a clue, not everyone is supposed to intrepi@...   | 07/17/07
Here's a clue Ole Man   | 07/17/07
New Clue for intrepi@... Ole Man   | 07/17/07
Just curious - why do you hate linux ? intrepi@...   | 07/17/07
I'll Bite wolf_z   | 07/17/07
What a rather odd story... Cayble   | 07/17/07
See MacVet's post below Ole Man   | 07/17/07
Really... Wolfie2K3   | 07/17/07
But, Have You Considered reality? LegendsOfBatman   | 07/17/07
RE: But, Have You Considered reality? Axsimulate   | 07/18/07
There is none so blind... MacVet   | 07/16/07
Blind is he who can't see Loverock Davidson   | 07/17/07
So freakin' what???! macbill   | 07/17/07
I think it's easy FatherJ   | 07/17/07
Does that include a week with Patch Tuesday ???/ mrlinux   | 07/17/07
could we... Spiritusindomit@...   | 07/17/07
What are you smoking? BFD   | 07/17/07
Your kidding right? cliffwilliams_44@...   | 07/17/07
And how are you any different? Wolfie2K3   | 07/17/07
RE: And how are you any different? Axsimulate   | 07/18/07
Re: "total administration costs near zero." Jack-Booted EULA   | 07/16/07
well... zoroaster   | 07/17/07
You're kidding, right? lisacate@...   | 07/17/07
Its not my intention Loverock Davidson   | 07/17/07
And you fail macbill   | 07/17/07
Calm down! Kid Icarus   | 07/16/07
I'm calm Loverock Davidson   | 07/17/07
Some things have changed nucrash   | 07/17/07
Wrong name wjw@...   | 07/17/07
Don't be so sure!! jakenhauser   | 07/17/07
I like Vista ARiggz   | 07/17/07
Though I agree..... cashaww   | 07/17/07
companys making the switch madmax_2069   | 07/17/07
Might want to check some facts. Wolfie2K3   | 07/17/07
Absolutely, 100% wrong. Administration costs for Windows... olePigeon   | 07/17/07
Sorry... cliffwilliams_44@...   | 07/17/07
You need to fire yourself Ole Man   | 07/17/07
I'm not an accountant cliffwilliams_44@...   | 07/17/07
So where is the Linux union? Ole Man   | 07/17/07
supply and demand desamuelson   | 07/18/07
supply and demand.... Too much in the pot Ole Man   | 07/18/07
CALs fees are not adminstrative costs. ye   | 07/17/07
At my company, the answer was YES critic-at-arms   | 07/17/07
Good for you cliffwilliams_44@...   | 07/17/07
What Kind of Company bkelly@...   | 07/17/07
I agree to an extent. Qix77   | 07/17/07
There you have it Ole Man   | 07/17/07
Hardware cost is irrelavent cliffwilliams_44@...   | 07/17/07
It doesn't even sound good in this forum. ye   | 07/17/07
Hardware cost is irrelavent Ole Man   | 07/17/07
I wish you would speak for yourself intrepi@...   | 07/17/07
Baloney Jambalaya Breath   | 07/17/07
People are already migrating MacGeek2121   | 08/09/07
I hate to say it BUT Shelendrea   | 07/16/07
Windows ME was not a business OS Michael Kelly   | 07/16/07
I think Vista has some issues but MS is the biggest problem intrepi@...   | 07/17/07
Vista is a new OS, ME is a tacky addon to 95/98 CobraA1   | 07/16/07
Re: Vista is a whole new OS Kid Icarus   | 07/16/07
The reason is this Azriphale   | 07/17/07
WELL no one made them jackie40d@...   | 07/17/07
haha Khyron   | 07/17/07
Simple answer Wolfie2K3   | 07/17/07
ME is just 95/98 with a few stupid additions... handydan918   | 07/17/07
<sigh> If you're gonna say something - at least try making sense... Wolfie2K3   | 07/17/07
No it isn't. Vista is based off Windows Server. [nt] olePigeon   | 07/17/07
Windows ME was quickly followed by Win2000, which, was a very good product DonnieBoy   | 07/16/07
actually...... JoeMama_z   | 07/16/07
W2000 was good ... zoroaster   | 07/17/07
Win2000 Azriphale   | 07/17/07
Donnie - you're scaring me. Wolfie2K3   | 07/17/07
<sniff> Our little boy is growing up . . .<sniff> ;) nt JLHenry   | 07/17/07
Me worked voska   | 07/16/07
ME Crestview   | 07/17/07
Windows WHAT? zoroaster   | 07/17/07
Times have changed icarus7b   | 07/17/07
cause madmax_2069   | 07/17/07
Huh? 3dtodd   | 07/17/07
Vista > Mac> Linux Khyron   | 07/17/07
ME was not a business OS intrepi@...   | 07/17/07
Microsoft didn't try to force ME on business users. keepu   | 07/25/07
The kewl thing... dpnewkirk   | 07/16/07
Just read a similiar article on Lifehacker.com Tigertank   | 07/16/07
Not on a Business Level, but on a Personal User Level It Might DaffyDuck   | 07/16/07
Agreed, no mass migrations, but even losing 10% to OSX/Linux will be a BIG DonnieBoy   | 07/16/07
Problem for MS or boon for industry? jasonp@...   | 07/17/07
Old news Jambalaya Breath   | 07/17/07
Ubuntu Feisty Fawn for Personal Use mcucylowsky@...   | 07/16/07
Goog on you bbbaldie_z   | 07/17/07
Me too ! jackie40d@...   | 07/17/07
They have THUNDERBIRD for jackie40d@...   | 07/17/07
Businesses should think beyond the now putt1ck   | 07/17/07
Thank you, putt1ck dstam   | 07/17/07
Linux? Yes. Macs? No way! NonZealot   | 07/16/07
Microsoft Office frgough   | 07/16/07
Microsoft office is becoming less important as we move away from printed DonnieBoy   | 07/16/07
moving away? desamuelson   | 07/18/07
Well, yes, now would be the perfect time for Apple to start supporting DonnieBoy   | 07/16/07
won't happen zoroaster   | 07/17/07
Cheaper hardware means sub-par performance <? gorno(); ?>   | 07/17/07
Mac mini ??? madmax_2069   | 07/17/07
Oh yes nucrash   | 07/17/07
Some clarification Chad_z   | 07/16/07
worked overtime today didn't you? (NT) Non-Zealand   | 07/16/07
Well, I for one can say, I'm not convinced. Kid Icarus   | 07/16/07
I don't have to convince you... UbiquitousGeek   | 07/17/07
Not quite 'end of story', UGeek TechinMN   | 07/17/07
Desktops are about usability. josephmartins   | 07/17/07
here is a 100% pro MS fan madmax_2069   | 07/17/07
Are you posting from a mac. ThereThere   | 07/17/07
33 Mac users Crestview   | 07/17/07
The only reason why nucrash   | 07/17/07
trying to convince a linux fan that royalstream   | 07/17/07
Wyse thin-client infrastructures ; TRON mighetto   | 07/16/07
Bingo. Given the way business is going, is Vista meant to expedite this? HypnoToad72   | 07/16/07
The reason Linux is not a contender Michael Kelly   | 07/16/07
Still, it is entirely conceivable that MS will lose 10% in the transition DonnieBoy   | 07/16/07
Who is this person... BFD   | 07/17/07
Here, now!!! JLHenry   | 07/17/07
I agree docbillnet   | 07/17/07
Not to divert the topic, but . . . JLHenry   | 07/17/07
Dell more expensive than Mac? MacFan7388   | 07/16/07