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By Declan McCullagh, News.com
Posted on ZDNet News: Apr 17, 2007 11:00:00 AM

The halcyon days of tax-free Internet shopping may be about to end.

A powerful alliance of politicians, including key U.S. senators and the National Governors Association, is arguing that out-of-state retailers must be required to charge sales taxes on purchases. At the moment, for instance, companies like Seattle-based Amazon.com are not required to collect sales taxes on shipments to millions of its customers in California.

This is hardly a new debate: officials from the governors' association have been pressing Congress to enact such a law for at least six years. They invoke arguments, which have been unsuccessful so far, like saying that reduced sales tax revenue threatens budgets for schools and police.

What has changed, however, is the political dynamic. While its precise contours are difficult to map, a Democrat-controlled Congress is seen as more likely to agree to the idea than one controlled by Republicans.

"When you have a Democratic majority in Congress, that Congress will be more friendly to imposing new burdens on business if it means additional tax collection," said Steve DelBianco, executive director of the NetChoice coalition, which counts as members eBay, Yahoo and the Electronic Retailing Association and opposes the sales tax plan.

Another factor that could tip the scales in Washington in favor of the pro-sales tax forces is a concept called the Streamlined Sales Tax Agreement, invented in 2002 by state tax officials hoping to straighten out some of the notorious convolutions of state tax laws. If that happens, they believe, it will be easier to convince Congress to make sales collection mandatory for out-of-state retailers.

"Without any doubt, Congress will eventually approve legislation to give states that comply with the (agreement) mandatory collection authority for out-of-state transactions," said Neal Osten, federal affairs counsel for the National Conference of State Legislatures. "We expect that the legislation will be introduced shortly in this Congress."

So far, 22 states have signed onto the project by enacting legislation to simplify their tax codes, Osten said. "We believe that with the system operational, with software and online collection available, sellers volunteering and revenues being collected, Congress will consider the legislation and indeed approve it," he added in an e-mail message.

Sticky debate over "candy" definition
A simplification effort is key because of the dizzying complexity of state tax laws. One example is the Streamlined Sales Tax Project's "Proposed Amendment to Definition of 'Candy'"--which is marked "not for publication" and tries to draw the line between when candy is food (and therefore exempt from tax) and when candy is not (and therefore can be taxed).

Flour as an ingredient became a sticky point. In 2003, a representative of Indiana, James Turner, noted that a proposed definition of candy would have taxed the Milky Way Midnight candy bar but not the original Milky Way bar. But further investigation showed that Turner's counter-proposal would have treated "certain flavors of Pop Tarts" and Cookies and Twix Crunchy Cookie Bars as candy--but not Cookies and Snickers Crunchy Cookie Bars. Peanut butter Girl Scout cookies would be candy, but Thin Mints or Caramel deLites would be classified as food.

Bizarre distinctions like this, coupled with the existence of more than 7,000 different tax agencies, explain why the U.S. Supreme Court ruled, in a 1992 case called Quill v. North Dakota, that out-of-state retailers generally couldn't be obligated to collect sales taxes unless Congress changes the law. The justices noted: "Congress is now free to decide whether, when, and to what extent the States may burden interstate mail order concerns with a duty to collect use taxes."

One exception to that is a legal concept called "nexus," which means a company can be forced to collect sales taxes if it has a sufficient business presence. A second exception is cigarette sales, which are covered by the Jenkins Act.

The halcyon days of tax-free Internet shopping may be about to end.

A powerful alliance of politicians, including key U.S. senators and the National Governors Association, is arguing that out-of-state retailers must be required to charge sales taxes on purchases. At the moment, for instance, companies like Seattle-based Amazon.com are not required to collect sales taxes on shipments to millions of its customers in California.

This is hardly a new debate: officials from the governors' association have been pressing Congress to enact such a law for at least six years. They invoke arguments, which have been unsuccessful so far, like saying that reduced sales tax revenue threatens budgets for schools and police.

What has changed, however, is the political dynamic. While its precise contours are difficult to map, a Democrat-controlled Congress is seen as more likely to agree to the idea than one controlled by Republicans.

"When you have a Democratic majority in Congress, that Congress will be more friendly to imposing new burdens on business if it means additional tax collection," said Steve DelBianco, executive director of the NetChoice coalition, which counts as members eBay, Yahoo and the Electronic Retailing Association and opposes the sales tax plan.

Another factor that could tip the scales in Washington in favor of the pro-sales tax forces is a concept called the Streamlined Sales Tax Agreement, invented in 2002 by state tax officials hoping to straighten out some of the notorious convolutions of state tax laws. If that happens, they believe, it will be easier to convince Congress to make sales collection mandatory for out-of-state retailers.

"Without any doubt, Congress will eventually approve legislation to give states that comply with the (agreement) mandatory collection authority for out-of-state transactions," said Neal Osten, federal affairs counsel for the National Conference of State Legislatures. "We expect that the legislation will be introduced shortly in this Congress."

So far, 22 states have signed onto the project by enacting legislation to simplify their tax codes, Osten said. "We believe that with the system operational, with software and online collection available, sellers volunteering and revenues being collected, Congress will consider the legislation and indeed approve it," he added in an e-mail message.

Sticky debate over "candy" definition
A simplification effort is key because of the dizzying complexity of state tax laws. One example is the Streamlined Sales Tax Project's "Proposed Amendment to Definition of 'Candy'"--which is marked "not for publication" and tries to draw the line between when candy is food (and therefore exempt from tax) and when candy is not (and therefore can be taxed).

Flour as an ingredient became a sticky point. In 2003, a representative of Indiana, James Turner, noted that a proposed definition of candy would have taxed the Milky Way Midnight candy bar but not the original Milky Way bar. But further investigation showed that Turner's counter-proposal would have treated "certain flavors of Pop Tarts" and Cookies and Twix Crunchy Cookie Bars as candy--but not Cookies and Snickers Crunchy Cookie Bars. Peanut butter Girl Scout cookies would be candy, but Thin Mints or Caramel deLites would be classified as food.

Bizarre distinctions like this, coupled with the existence of more than 7,000 different tax agencies, explain why the U.S. Supreme Court ruled, in a 1992 case called Quill v. North Dakota, that out-of-state retailers generally couldn't be obligated to collect sales taxes unless Congress changes the law. The justices noted: "Congress is now free to decide whether, when, and to what extent the States may burden interstate mail order concerns with a duty to collect use taxes."

One exception to that is a legal concept called "nexus," which means a company can be forced to collect sales taxes if it has a sufficient business presence. A second exception is cigarette sales, which are covered by the Jenkins Act.

Of course, online purchases from sites like Amazon and eBay only seem to arrive tax-free. Legally speaking, however, purchasers are required to pay their own state's sales tax rate--the concept is called a "use tax"--and then voluntarily report the amount owed at tax time.

California residents, for instance, are burdened with a sales and use tax of at least 7.25 percent. State law is strict: if Californians travel to a state with a 5 percent tax and shop there, the law requires them to cough up the 2.25 percent difference when they return. Online purchases are taxed as well.

But compliance is spotty at best. California's Board of Equalization estimates the state lost $1.34 billion in 2003 because residents aren't paying use taxes--and attributes $208 million of that to online purchases.

Pro-sales tax lobbyists say the losses nationally are far higher. A 2004 report from the National Governors Association and the National Conference of State Legislatures puts the figure at $15.5 billion in lost e-commerce revenue nationwide.

David Quam, director of federal relations for the National Governors Association, says mandatory sales tax collection will help retailers and tax collectors alike by simplifying the system. "It does mean the ability to collect the taxes that are due and owing, and more importantly, it's a simplification of definitions and your tax base and making more sense out of the tax codes," he said. "Those are all net positives."

A rift among business groups
The governors have found allies among large retailers like Staples and Wal-Mart Stores that have physical presence virtually everywhere--and therefore already "must collect sales taxes on online shipments. They tend to support the Streamlined Sales Tax Project because it reduces their competitive disadvantage and simplifies their tax accounting.

What remains unclear is whether the big-business-and-state-politician coalition will be able to muster enough support in a Democratic Congress to enact a law making sales tax compliance mandatory. Osten, from the National Conference of State Legislatures, said: "There will be members of both parties supporting the passage of this legislation.

While it's not a traditional left-right issue--the pro-sales tax legislative proposal is being co-authored by Republican Sen. Mike Enzi of Wyoming and Democratic Sen. Byron Dorgan of North Dakota--it does have some partisan overtones.

Statements from members of federal commission on electronic taxation in 2000 indicated that the Republicans tended to be more skeptical of mandatory sales tax collection. James Gilmore, the Republican governor of Virginia at the time, said that "no sales or use taxes should be imposed on interstate business-to-consumer transactions." Grover Norquist, a Republican insider and operative, blasted fellow panelists for engaging in a stealth campaign to raise taxes on Americans.

They largely took the side of online-only retailers and Silicon Valley companies, which argue that state politicians' claims of lost revenue are inflated (PDF), and say that even a simplified sales tax system will impose additional compliance costs that will be passed on to consumers.

Dallas Mayor Ron Kirk, a Democrat, protested (PDF), however, that "small Main Street retailers are severely handicapped by the absence of a level playing field vis-a-vis e-tailers."

Neither Dorgan and Enzi, who have introduced a mandatory sales tax collection bill in previous years and are drafting a revised version right now, would say when to expect the new version of their legislation.

"As more states continue passing laws securing the collection of this tax and as the amount of revenue being lost by states and municipalities increases, there will naturally be more emphasis on and support for Sen. Enzi's bill," said Elly Pickett, Enzi's deputy press secretary. "When that support will hit critical mass and we will be able to pass the bill is hard to determine, but Sen. Enzi is continuing to work on the issue."

This is unrelated to the debate over the Internet tax moratorium, which only limits taxes on access charges such as DSL or dialup connections. Congress renewed the ban in 2004, and it expires this November.

Of course, online purchases from sites like Amazon and eBay only seem to arrive tax-free. Legally speaking, however, purchasers are required to pay their own state's sales tax rate--the concept is called a "use tax"--and then voluntarily report the amount owed at tax time.

California residents, for instance, are burdened with a sales and use tax of at least 7.25 percent. State law is strict: if Californians travel to a state with a 5 percent tax and shop there, the law requires them to cough up the 2.25 percent difference when they return. Online purchases are taxed as well.

But compliance is spotty at best. California's Board of Equalization estimates the state lost $1.34 billion in 2003 because residents aren't paying use taxes--and attributes $208 million of that to online purchases.

Pro-sales tax lobbyists say the losses nationally are far higher. A 2004 report from the National Governors Association and the National Conference of State Legislatures puts the figure at $15.5 billion in lost e-commerce revenue nationwide.

David Quam, director of federal relations for the National Governors Association, says mandatory sales tax collection will help retailers and tax collectors alike by simplifying the system. "It does mean the ability to collect the taxes that are due and owing, and more importantly, it's a simplification of definitions and your tax base and making more sense out of the tax codes," he said. "Those are all net positives."

A rift among business groups
The governors have found allies among large retailers like Staples and Wal-Mart Stores that have physical presence virtually everywhere--and therefore already "must collect sales taxes on online shipments. They tend to support the Streamlined Sales Tax Project because it reduces their competitive disadvantage and simplifies their tax accounting.

What remains unclear is whether the big-business-and-state-politician coalition will be able to muster enough support in a Democratic Congress to enact a law making sales tax compliance mandatory. Osten, from the National Conference of State Legislatures, said: "There will be members of both parties supporting the passage of this legislation.

While it's not a traditional left-right issue--the pro-sales tax legislative proposal is being co-authored by Republican Sen. Mike Enzi of Wyoming and Democratic Sen. Byron Dorgan of North Dakota--it does have some partisan overtones.

Statements from members of federal commission on electronic taxation in 2000 indicated that the Republicans tended to be more skeptical of mandatory sales tax collection. James Gilmore, the Republican governor of Virginia at the time, said that "no sales or use taxes should be imposed on interstate business-to-consumer transactions." Grover Norquist, a Republican insider and operative, blasted fellow panelists for engaging in a stealth campaign to raise taxes on Americans.

They largely took the side of online-only retailers and Silicon Valley companies, which argue that state politicians' claims of lost revenue are inflated (PDF), and say that even a simplified sales tax system will impose additional compliance costs that will be passed on to consumers.

Dallas Mayor Ron Kirk, a Democrat, protested (PDF), however, that "small Main Street retailers are severely handicapped by the absence of a level playing field vis-a-vis e-tailers."

Neither Dorgan and Enzi, who have introduced a mandatory sales tax collection bill in previous years and are drafting a revised version right now, would say when to expect the new version of their legislation.

"As more states continue passing laws securing the collection of this tax and as the amount of revenue being lost by states and municipalities increases, there will naturally be more emphasis on and support for Sen. Enzi's bill," said Elly Pickett, Enzi's deputy press secretary. "When that support will hit critical mass and we will be able to pass the bill is hard to determine, but Sen. Enzi is continuing to work on the issue."

This is unrelated to the debate over the Internet tax moratorium, which only limits taxes on access charges such as DSL or dialup connections. Congress renewed the ban in 2004, and it expires this November.

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A moot point...
As if the shipping companies shipments will then goto the bigger shippers that bring the same items to the Brick and Mortar stores when you buy that product there instead.... (Read the rest)
Posted by: redtrain65 Posted on: 04/24/07 You are currently: Logged In | Log out
I thought Net Sales Taxes were banned by law? BitTwiddler   | 04/17/07
Well Congress makes laws Michael Kelly   | 04/17/07
That's funny! Spoon Jabber   | 04/18/07
Net Sales taxes justanitguy   | 04/17/07
The law is the law ... and most of us are breaking it jsm253   | 04/17/07
Theoretically... Henry Miller   | 04/17/07
Theoretically... Henry Miller   | 04/17/07
good point jsm253   | 04/17/07
I'd much rather see reauthorisation of the law... Henry Miller   | 04/17/07
Invalidating laws voska   | 04/17/07
Glad I don't live in Pennsylvania! JohnQPublic   | 04/17/07
Sales Tax versus Use Tax jsm253   | 04/17/07
Demo-crats and Taxes .... Reverend MacFellow   | 04/17/07
the greater issue jsm253   | 04/17/07
So us non Christians don't have to pay - cool ! magcomment   | 04/17/07
think about it this way jsm253   | 04/17/07
Sure, we should pay the taxes we owe but we can protest taxes we don't want archerjoe   | 04/17/07
The taxes we "owe"? Henry Miller   | 04/17/07
No, think of it this way Ole Man   | 04/17/07
Another way to think about it CobraA1   | 04/17/07
Are you part of the problem smdunn   | 04/19/07
otoh Jack-Booted EULA   | 04/17/07
Huh? Flush away???? Spoon Jabber   | 04/18/07
Clue train for the clueless Jack-Booted EULA   | 04/18/07
Toot, Toot! I'm off, see ya! (NT) Spoon Jabber   | 04/18/07
It won't happen jfp   | 04/17/07
One problem with that.... techboy_z   | 04/17/07
no, the problem with that... conspicuouschick   | 04/17/07
Oft-repeated stereotypes? techboy_z   | 04/17/07
reality check conspicuouschick   | 04/18/07
clinton apologists shraven   | 04/17/07
Wow! I luv you! Spoon Jabber   | 04/18/07
So the goal is to drive them offshore? No_Ax_to_Grind   | 04/17/07
I hope not! Linux Geek   | 04/17/07
Still a massive book keeping job. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 04/17/07
A friend of mine used to have to deal with multiple state taxes. B.O.F.H.   | 04/17/07
Did he sell to 50 states, No_Ax_to_Grind   | 04/17/07
He chose to do something else. B.O.F.H.   | 04/17/07
But isn't that why... Spoon Jabber   | 04/18/07
They have software to do it, BUT... conspicuouschick   | 04/17/07
I agree... No_Ax_to_Grind   | 04/17/07
Local Taxes are different than State Taxes Zolar   | 04/17/07
Customs Duty ? magcomment   | 04/17/07
And how do you track it? No_Ax_to_Grind   | 04/17/07
Same way voska   | 04/17/07
Ah, but the US govenment No_Ax_to_Grind   | 04/17/07
No_Ax, same arguement for filesharing? Spoon Jabber   | 04/18/07
No_ax - Dead on target!!!!! Reverend MacFellow   | 04/17/07
Working people, ASSUME THE POSITION!!! No_Ax_to_Grind   | 04/17/07
nonprofits.... conspicuouschick   | 04/17/07
Oh, I agree, its more than just churches No_Ax_to_Grind   | 04/17/07
wow such short sitedness Been_Done_Before   | 04/17/07
Sorry, but I ahve seen far to many No_Ax_to_Grind   | 04/17/07
Certainly there are abuses Michael Kelly   | 04/17/07
Yeah, the vast majority of them. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 04/17/07
No_Ax, they certainly do pay Spoon Jabber   | 04/18/07
Nobody's getting rich off of non-profits Michael Kelly   | 04/17/07
huh...? Linux Geek   | 04/17/07
And guess what they get every January 31st Michael Kelly   | 04/17/07
BZZZT wrong... No_Ax_to_Grind   | 04/17/07
Re: BZZZT wrong... Michael Kelly   | 04/17/07
Man are you OFF BASE. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 04/17/07
Actually I do that for a living, thank you very much Michael Kelly   | 04/17/07
The difference... No_Ax_to_Grind   | 04/17/07
who is your dealer, because your dope is WAY better than mine shraven   | 04/17/07
Even non-profits need money to operate Michael Kelly   | 04/17/07
So by your reasoning... No_Ax_to_Grind   | 04/17/07
Re: So by your reasoning.. Michael Kelly   | 04/17/07
re: Working people, ASSUME THE POSITION!! CobraA1   | 04/17/07
That retirement fund thing? Henry Miller   | 04/17/07
online retailers unfair advantage vs big box redtrain65   | 04/17/07
Yes and no... No_Ax_to_Grind   | 04/17/07
I don't know 'bout that. redtrain65   | 04/17/07
But that fades after the first purchase voska   | 04/17/07
Perceptions No_Ax_to_Grind   | 04/17/07
one or both? shraven   | 04/17/07
it's called a restocking fee. redtrain65   | 04/24/07
many big box retailers atre also online retailers. B.O.F.H.   | 04/17/07
I guess all I am saying is... redtrain65   | 04/17/07
An example voska   | 04/17/07
oh I agree... redtrain65   | 04/17/07
Don't think E-Bay will be a problem voska   | 04/17/07
Nore to the point, what if you can't sell via retailer? No_Ax_to_Grind   | 04/17/07
Actually, it is the states. B.O.F.H.   | 04/17/07
I agree, states want money and they take it from No_Ax_to_Grind   | 04/17/07
That won't work Curmudgeonesque   | 04/17/07
We already pay a use tax... shipping. read on for my explanation. Been_Done_Before   | 04/17/07
Correction.. boston tea party was 1773 which was in the 1800s Been_Done_Before   | 04/17/07
darnit.. i meant to say 1700s. . FAIL Been_Done_Before   | 04/17/07
You meant the 18th century, maybe? (NT) Spoon Jabber   | 04/18/07
A moot point... redtrain65   | 04/24/07
overtaxed waltmaine   | 04/17/07
Hear, hear!! techboy_z   | 04/17/07
$6,000,000,000.00 a *month* Jack-Booted EULA   | 04/17/07
Glad I'm wearing boots! Spoon Jabber   | 04/18/07
if you eat it, it's food. shraven   | 04/17/07
The middle class can't win Beat a Dead Horse   | 04/18/07
Dems sure know how to tax DisplayDoc   | 04/18/07
slight correction... conspicuouschick   | 04/18/07
About the democrats mlrodman@...   | 04/18/07
Globalization Sheeva   | 04/19/07
VAT Tax? g-man_863   | 04/19/07
You wouldn't encourage bad behavioiur. smdunn   | 04/19/07

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