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Posted on ZDNet News: Jan 19, 2006 6:02:00 PM

Federal prosecutors preparing to defend a controversial Internet pornography law in court have asked Google, Microsoft, Yahoo and America Online to hand over millions of search records--a request that Google is adamantly denying.

In court documents filed Wednesday, the Bush administration asked a federal judge in San Jose, Calif., to force Google to comply with a subpoena for the information, which would reveal the search terms of a broad swath of the search engine's visitors.

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Prosecutors are requesting a "random sampling" of 1 million Internet addresses accessible through Google's popular search engine, and a random sampling of 1 million search queries submitted to Google over a one-week period.

Google said in a statement sent to CNET News.com on Thursday that it will resist the request "vigorously."

The Bush administration's request, first reported by The San Jose Mercury News, is part of its attempts to defend the 1998 Child Online Protection Act, which is being challenged in court in Philadelphia by the American Civil Liberties Union. The ACLU says Web sites cannot realistically comply with COPA and that the law violates the right to freedom of speech mandated by the First Amendment.

The search engine companies are not parties to the suit.

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An attorney for the ACLU said Microsoft, Yahoo and AOL received identical subpoenas and chose to comply with them rather than fight the request in court.

Yahoo acknowledged on Thursday that it complied with the Justice Department's request but said no personally identifiable information was handed over. "We are vigorous defenders of our users' privacy," said Yahoo spokeswoman Mary Osako. "We did not provide any personal information in response to the Justice Department's subpoena. In our opinion this is not a privacy issue."

Osako declined to provide details, but court documents in the Google case show that the government has been demanding "the text of each search string entered" by users over a time period of between one week and two months, plus a listing of Web sites taken from the search engine's index.

"Our understanding is that MSN and AOL have complied with the government's request, that Yahoo has provided some information in response, but that information wasn't completely satisfactory (according to) the government," ACLU staff attorney Aden Fine said.

Jack Samad, senior vice president for the National Coalition for Protection of Children and Families, a Cincinnati, Ohio-based advocacy group, said search engines should be willing to help the Bush administration defend the law.

"Young people are experiencing broken lives after being exposed to adult images and behaviors on the Internet," Samad said. "I'm disappointed Google did not want to exercise its good corporate branding to secure the protection of youth. I think (complying with the subpoena) would substantiate the basis of COPA if they get a free exchange of information on youthful use of the Internet."

AOL spokesman Andrew Weinstein confirmed that the company received a subpoena from the DOJ but said the information from the ACLU was not accurate.

"We did not and would not comply with such a subpoena. We gave (the DOJ) a generic list of aggregate and anonymous search terms, and not results, from a roughly one day period. There were absolutely no privacy implications," Weinstein said. "There was no way to tie those search terms to individuals or to search results." He declined to elaborate.

A Microsoft representative said: "MSN works closely with law enforcement officials worldwide to assist them when requested....It is our policy to respond to legal requests in a very responsive and timely manner, in full compliance with applicable law." The company would not confirm or deny whether it complied with the Justice Department's subpoena.

But in a statement released later in the day Thursday, Microsoft said it was, in fact, contacted by the DOJ.

"We did comply with their request for data in regards to helping protect children, in a way that ensured we also protected the privacy of our customers," the company said. "We were able to share aggregated query data (not search results) that did not include any personally identifiable information, at their request."

Alberto Gonzales v. Google: the docs

Court documents reveal that the Justice Department has been pressuring Google for excerpts from its search logs for half a year. Prosecutors hope to use the excerpts to show that filtering software can't protect children online.

Government subpoena and Google's objection (186K pdf)

Motion to require Google to comply (660K pdf)

Declaration of Philip Stark, government statistics expert (1.1M pdf)

In a motion filed Wednesday (click here for PDF), prosecutors say that compliance is necessary to prove that the 1998 law is "more effective than filtering software in protecting minors from exposure to harmful materials on the Internet." Records from search logs would help to understand the behavior of Web users and estimate how frequently they encounter pornography, the motion says. For instance, Internet addresses obtained from the search engines could be tested against filtering programs to evaluate their effectiveness.

A subpoena dated August 2005 (click here for PDF) requests a complete list of all Internet addresses that can "be located" through Google's popular search engine, and "all queries that have been entered" over a two-month period beginning on June 1, 2005. Later, prosecutors offered to narrow the request to random samples of indexed sites and search strings. It's unclear what version of the request AOL, Microsoft and Yahoo complied with.

Although the government is not asking for Internet addresses that would identify people, some legal experts fear that disclosing search terms would invade privacy.

"The more (the government) can figure out who the surfers are, the more people's First Amendment rights are in jeopardy," said Peter Swire, a law professor at Ohio State University.

The Justice Department declined to comment on Thursday. But in court papers, it says that even though other search companies voluntarily complied, excerpts from Google's logs are "of value to the government" because it has the "largest share of the Web search market."

To analyze the logs, the Justice Department has hired Philip Stark, a professor of statistics at the University of California, Berkeley. Stark said in a statement that analyzing information from Google would let him "estimate the prevalence of harmful-to-minors" and the "effectiveness of content filters" in blocking it.

Federal prosecutors preparing to defend a controversial Internet pornography law in court have asked Google, Microsoft, Yahoo and America Online to hand over millions of search records--a request that Google is adamantly denying.

In court documents filed Wednesday, the Bush administration asked a federal judge in San Jose, Calif., to force Google to comply with a subpoena for the information, which would reveal the search terms of a broad swath of the search engine's visitors.

Listen up

News.com reporter Elinor Mills talks with Kurt Opsahl of the Electronic Frontier Foundation about privacy and the government's Google request.
Listen now... (2.2MB mp3)

Prosecutors are requesting a "random sampling" of 1 million Internet addresses accessible through Google's popular search engine, and a random sampling of 1 million search queries submitted to Google over a one-week period.

Google said in a statement sent to CNET News.com on Thursday that it will resist the request "vigorously."

The Bush administration's request, first reported by The San Jose Mercury News, is part of its attempts to defend the 1998 Child Online Protection Act, which is being challenged in court in Philadelphia by the American Civil Liberties Union. The ACLU says Web sites cannot realistically comply with COPA and that the law violates the right to freedom of speech mandated by the First Amendment.

The search engine companies are not parties to the suit.

News.com Poll

Should Google and other search engines be required to give the government details about what people are searching for?

Yes
No
Maybe, depending on the circumstances



View results

An attorney for the ACLU said Microsoft, Yahoo and AOL received identical subpoenas and chose to comply with them rather than fight the request in court.

Yahoo acknowledged on Thursday that it complied with the Justice Department's request but said no personally identifiable information was handed over. "We are vigorous defenders of our users' privacy," said Yahoo spokeswoman Mary Osako. "We did not provide any personal information in response to the Justice Department's subpoena. In our opinion this is not a privacy issue."

Osako declined to provide details, but court documents in the Google case show that the government has been demanding "the text of each search string entered" by users over a time period of between one week and two months, plus a listing of Web sites taken from the search engine's index.

"Our understanding is that MSN and AOL have complied with the government's request, that Yahoo has provided some information in response, but that information wasn't completely satisfactory (according to) the government," ACLU staff attorney Aden Fine said.

Jack Samad, senior vice president for the National Coalition for Protection of Children and Families, a Cincinnati, Ohio-based advocacy group, said search engines should be willing to help the Bush administration defend the law.

"Young people are experiencing broken lives after being exposed to adult images and behaviors on the Internet," Samad said. "I'm disappointed Google did not want to exercise its good corporate branding to secure the protection of youth. I think (complying with the subpoena) would substantiate the basis of COPA if they get a free exchange of information on youthful use of the Internet."

AOL spokesman Andrew Weinstein confirmed that the company received a subpoena from the DOJ but said the information from the ACLU was not accurate.

"We did not and would not comply with such a subpoena. We gave (the DOJ) a generic list of aggregate and anonymous search terms, and not results, from a roughly one day period. There were absolutely no privacy implications," Weinstein said. "There was no way to tie those search terms to individuals or to search results." He declined to elaborate.

A Microsoft representative said: "MSN works closely with law enforcement officials worldwide to assist them when requested....It is our policy to respond to legal requests in a very responsive and timely manner, in full compliance with applicable law." The company would not confirm or deny whether it complied with the Justice Department's subpoena.

But in a statement released later in the day Thursday, Microsoft said it was, in fact, contacted by the DOJ.

"We did comply with their request for data in regards to helping protect children, in a way that ensured we also protected the privacy of our customers," the company said. "We were able to share aggregated query data (not search results) that did not include any personally identifiable information, at their request."

Alberto Gonzales v. Google: the docs

Court documents reveal that the Justice Department has been pressuring Google for excerpts from its search logs for half a year. Prosecutors hope to use the excerpts to show that filtering software can't protect children online.

Government subpoena and Google's objection (186K pdf)

Motion to require Google to comply (660K pdf)

Declaration of Philip Stark, government statistics expert (1.1M pdf)

In a motion filed Wednesday (click here for PDF), prosecutors say that compliance is necessary to prove that the 1998 law is "more effective than filtering software in protecting minors from exposure to harmful materials on the Internet." Records from search logs would help to understand the behavior of Web users and estimate how frequently they encounter pornography, the motion says. For instance, Internet addresses obtained from the search engines could be tested against filtering programs to evaluate their effectiveness.

A subpoena dated August 2005 (click here for PDF) requests a complete list of all Internet addresses that can "be located" through Google's popular search engine, and "all queries that have been entered" over a two-month period beginning on June 1, 2005. Later, prosecutors offered to narrow the request to random samples of indexed sites and search strings. It's unclear what version of the request AOL, Microsoft and Yahoo complied with.

Although the government is not asking for Internet addresses that would identify people, some legal experts fear that disclosing search terms would invade privacy.

"The more (the government) can figure out who the surfers are, the more people's First Amendment rights are in jeopardy," said Peter Swire, a law professor at Ohio State University.

The Justice Department declined to comment on Thursday. But in court papers, it says that even though other search companies voluntarily complied, excerpts from Google's logs are "of value to the government" because it has the "largest share of the Web search market."

To analyze the logs, the Justice Department has hired Philip Stark, a professor of statistics at the University of California, Berkeley. Stark said in a statement that analyzing information from Google would let him "estimate the prevalence of harmful-to-minors" and the "effectiveness of content filters" in blocking it.

Google, for its part, "is not a party to this lawsuit and (the government's) demand for information overreaches," associate general counsel Nicole Wong said in a statement. "We had lengthy discussions with them to try to resolve this, but were not able to, and we intend to resist their motion vigorously."

court document

In a letter dated Oct. 10, 2005, Google lawyer Ashok Ramani objected to the Justice Department's request on the grounds that it could disclose trade secrets and was "overbroad, unduly burdensome, vague and intended to harass."

The Bush administration's request is tied to its defense of the Child Online Protection Act, which restricts the posting of sexually explicit material deemed "harmful to minors" on commercial Web sites, unless it's unavailable to minors.

A divided U.S. Supreme Court in 2004 stopped short of striking down the law and instead said that a full trial--to take place in Philadelphia--was needed to determine whether the law is constitutional.

A trial before U.S. District Judge Lowell Reed is scheduled to begin Oct. 2. ACLU attorney Fine said although the dispute with the search companies does not directly involve his organization, until prosecutors "explain what they plan to do with this and provide a detailed explanation, they cannot meet their burden to justify forcing Google to turn over this information."

Privacy concerns
As part of their defense of COPA, prosecutors are expected to argue that technological filtering methods are less effective than criminal prohibitions.

Privacy watchdogs have worried about the massive store of data that Google has assembled about the online behavior of Internet users. Google keeps log files that record search terms used, Web sites visited and the Internet Protocol address and browser type of the computer for every single search conducted through its Web site. It also sets cookies that can be used to correlate repeat visits to the company's growing network of Web sites.

Sherwin Siy, staff counsel at the privacy rights advocacy organization Electronic Privacy Information Center, praised Google for fighting the administration's request. However, he said there would not even be an issue if the search engine hadn't collected the information and made it aggregatable in the first place.

"This continual aggregation of people's search streams and all this information and the other data from their other services like Gmail places privacy at risk. This is something you would think Google should have anticipated," he said. "It is not a recent phenomenon that overbroad government investigations will put people's privacy at risk by digging through business records."

EPIC's Siy said AOL and MSN should have fought the government's demands more vigorously. "In not doing anything to protect the privacy of their customers they are not doing the right thing," he said. "They are taking the easy way out."

A spokesman for Ask Jeeves said Thursday that it "has not received requests for search data from the Department of Justice in this matter."

Kurt Opsahl, a staff attorney for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, said he was glad Google "stood up in this case to protect the privacy of this information and I'm disappointed that other search engines would be willing to turn it over without a fight."

"Google has a massive database that reaches into the most intimate details of your life," he said. "What you are searching for, what you are reading, what you are worried about, what you enjoy. People should be able to use modern tools like search engines without the fear of Big Brother looking over their shoulder."

CNET News.com reporters Anne Broache and Greg Sandoval contributed to this report.

Google, for its part, "is not a party to this lawsuit and (the government's) demand for information overreaches," associate general counsel Nicole Wong said in a statement. "We had lengthy discussions with them to try to resolve this, but were not able to, and we intend to resist their motion vigorously."

court document

In a letter dated Oct. 10, 2005, Google lawyer Ashok Ramani objected to the Justice Department's request on the grounds that it could disclose trade secrets and was "overbroad, unduly burdensome, vague and intended to harass."

The Bush administration's request is tied to its defense of the Child Online Protection Act, which restricts the posting of sexually explicit material deemed "harmful to minors" on commercial Web sites, unless it's unavailable to minors.

A divided U.S. Supreme Court in 2004 stopped short of striking down the law and instead said that a full trial--to take place in Philadelphia--was needed to determine whether the law is constitutional.

A trial before U.S. District Judge Lowell Reed is scheduled to begin Oct. 2. ACLU attorney Fine said although the dispute with the search companies does not directly involve his organization, until prosecutors "explain what they plan to do with this and provide a detailed explanation, they cannot meet their burden to justify forcing Google to turn over this information."

Privacy concerns
As part of their defense of COPA, prosecutors are expected to argue that technological filtering methods are less effective than criminal prohibitions.

Privacy watchdogs have worried about the massive store of data that Google has assembled about the online behavior of Internet users. Google keeps log files that record search terms used, Web sites visited and the Internet Protocol address and browser type of the computer for every single search conducted through its Web site. It also sets cookies that can be used to correlate repeat visits to the company's growing network of Web sites.

Sherwin Siy, staff counsel at the privacy rights advocacy organization Electronic Privacy Information Center, praised Google for fighting the administration's request. However, he said there would not even be an issue if the search engine hadn't collected the information and made it aggregatable in the first place.

"This continual aggregation of people's search streams and all this information and the other data from their other services like Gmail places privacy at risk. This is something you would think Google should have anticipated," he said. "It is not a recent phenomenon that overbroad government investigations will put people's privacy at risk by digging through business records."

EPIC's Siy said AOL and MSN should have fought the government's demands more vigorously. "In not doing anything to protect the privacy of their customers they are not doing the right thing," he said. "They are taking the easy way out."

A spokesman for Ask Jeeves said Thursday that it "has not received requests for search data from the Department of Justice in this matter."

Kurt Opsahl, a staff attorney for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, said he was glad Google "stood up in this case to protect the privacy of this information and I'm disappointed that other search engines would be willing to turn it over without a fight."

"Google has a massive database that reaches into the most intimate details of your life," he said. "What you are searching for, what you are reading, what you are worried about, what you enjoy. People should be able to use modern tools like search engines without the fear of Big Brother looking over their shoulder."

CNET News.com reporters Anne Broache and Greg Sandoval contributed to this report.

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Searching.  Shari2002 | 01/19/06
Privacy  bhartman36 | 01/19/06
Privacy rights and the BS at hand.....  Senlac_Hill | 01/19/06
Privacy rights  doc_cotton | 02/01/06
It called "getting a foot in the door"  Sackaguano | 01/19/06
That door's still locked...  bhartman36 | 01/19/06
Thats why I mentioned the terrorist part  Sackaguano | 01/19/06
Usefulness of Information  bhartman36 | 01/19/06
Actually its called "Slippery Slope"  rodney@... | 01/19/06
Bird Flu  bhartman36 | 01/19/06
Bird flu CLUE:  btljooz | 01/20/06
Re: Bird Flue CLUE:  bhartman36 | 01/21/06
bhartman33  btljooz | 01/21/06
Flu Mutation  bhartman36 | 01/21/06
You are so wrong!  ShadeTree | 01/19/06
Exactly,  nomorems | 01/19/06
EXACTLY  jrtjh | 01/19/06
Did you read this?  rodney@... | 01/19/06
Yes. But that leaves the questions...  bhartman36 | 01/19/06
You need to take a reading for ...  ShadeTree | 01/19/06
Comprehension  bhartman36 | 01/19/06
Privacy and Identification  Pyvent | 01/19/06
The idea is,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,  Looneytoon | 01/19/06
Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics. wink  bhartman36 | 01/19/06
Mabe but more is going on I think  Looneytoon | 01/19/06
The 1998 COPA law  bhartman36 | 01/20/06
I Disagree  EBathory | 01/20/06
I find it ironic that the posters are claiming that ...  ShadeTree | 01/19/06
Intentions of the matter.  nucrash | 01/19/06
Intentions do matter.  ShadeTree | 01/19/06
Noble Intentions  theillmunkeys | 01/19/06
No where in the article or the law being ...  ShadeTree | 01/19/06
Wild speculation?  theillmunkeys | 01/19/06
Yes, Wild Speculation  ShadeTree | 01/19/06
Shadetree...  theillmunkeys | 01/19/06
RE: theillmunkeys  ShadeTree | 01/19/06
Re: Shadetree... again  theillmunkeys | 01/19/06
THe law is irevent anyway  stephen0838_z | 01/25/06
Intentions do matter  Pyvent | 01/19/06
Your concerns about "other" intentions are ...  ShadeTree | 01/19/06
Message has been deleted.  5th Limb in the Kisser | 01/19/06
It is about trust  Patrick Jones | 01/19/06
Trust ... Yah  Pyvent | 01/19/06
One thing...  Patrick Jones | 01/20/06
Your lack of trust in the government ...  ShadeTree | 01/19/06
shade tree is context switching  djrichard | 01/19/06
Actually,  Patrick Jones | 01/20/06
I think there's a difference...  charlie.jordan@... | 01/19/06
No difference  ShadeTree | 01/19/06
You're crazy  cgraham_z | 01/19/06
Nor is there any evidence here that ...  ShadeTree | 01/19/06
Fascist and McCarthyite go too far, but...  HatGuy | 01/20/06
Simple Solution to Block Google Data Mining  zephyrwind69@... | 02/01/06
Why is it OK for Google to collect private info?  ann@... | 01/19/06
It isn't....but think of legal recourse  croloff | 01/19/06
Gee, annDu  nomorems | 01/19/06
What I know  ann@... | 01/20/06
LOL  Henrick Ericcson | 01/21/06
either a pedophile or is clueless???  Pyvent | 01/19/06
the Govenment  langston_charles@... | 01/20/06
google doesnt have an army.....  JoeMama_z | 01/19/06
Paranoid  ann@... | 01/20/06
You business is my business  Henrick Ericcson | 01/21/06
Whats wrong here?  MrPcWizard | 01/19/06
Because this law - signed by Clinton - doesn't specify  j.m.galvin | 01/19/06
Or they could fix it and protect the children  Nigel Johnstone | 01/19/06
So why haven't those parties sued?  j.m.galvin | 01/19/06
If they go after child porn sites, that's fine by me.  HypnoToad | 01/19/06
Sad state of America  Henrick Ericcson | 01/21/06
I agree!  mypl8s4u2 | 01/19/06
Data collection  dmhunter@... | 01/19/06
this is not about google  1 more opinion | 01/19/06
The pornographic government  juandefuca | 01/19/06
as a citizen of the USA  1 more opinion | 01/19/06
If This Goes On--  sisotek | 01/19/06
Too true, too true  gardoglee | 01/19/06
History does repeat itself.  The Reverend | 01/19/06
WAYYYY too many Left Wing Wackos out here!  Pyvent | 01/20/06
proof and pudding....  JoeMama_z | 01/23/06
Hardly!  Spoon Jabber | 01/24/06
Actually...  kribor_z | 01/24/06
Wonder what happens when EMRs are portalized ?  Conmergence | 01/19/06
This is the result of  DemonX | 01/19/06
COPA, privacy and prosecutions  stevem_001 | 01/19/06
No-one can condone child pornography  Pyvent | 01/20/06
END OF AMERICA  Jeff Spicoli | 01/19/06
You're just mad  Shelendrea | 01/20/06
GOP = Death to America  Narg | 01/19/06
You got that right-  TracyF | 01/20/06
NO!!!! NOT ANYBODY else...  btljooz | 01/20/06
Privacy is not involved?  grstanley0 | 01/19/06
Google and Identifying Data  theillmunkeys | 01/19/06
Or your credit card or check etc.  The Reverend | 01/19/06
Probably not  j.m.galvin | 01/19/06
Pirvacy is involved  Stinking Kevin | 01/19/06
What Privacy  orionsig | 01/19/06
i must be a huge rube...  Stinking Kevin | 01/20/06
Google and Big Brother, Brothers in Arms  CommSoft | 01/19/06
oooh...scary!  nomorems | 01/19/06
Clearing YOUR cookies does no good...  btljooz | 01/20/06
no provacy issue at all  aurizon | 01/19/06
No privacy issue at all, if you trust that  The Reverend | 01/19/06
Personal? Private?  aurizon | 05/11/06
I can;t wait until America is ***DESTROYED***!!!!!  Jeff Spicoli | 01/19/06
Concurrence with I cant wait  fewilliamsjr@... | 01/19/06
Forcasters of doom are still trying to be right.  benf_z | 01/19/06
USA ! USA ! USA ! USA !  tat2me | 01/20/06
It's NOT just here, benf, it's the WHOLE World...The New World Order  btljooz | 01/20/06
I Cant Wait Til Judgement Day  itanalyst | 01/20/06
No Worries Here  EBathory | 01/20/06
Technically Yes And No  itanalyst | 01/20/06
AMEN!!!  btljooz | 01/20/06
Sad state of America  Henrick Ericcson | 01/21/06
THE FALLING OF AMERICA  EKRULL8@... | 01/24/06
This is the only to stop adults from hurting small children  hrjones@... | 01/19/06
Iraq != Afganistan, Child access to porn != Child Porn  Nigel Johnstone | 01/19/06
technical solutions  Pyvent | 01/19/06
Server side filtering!  Nigel Johnstone | 01/19/06
Quite some time ago  j.m.galvin | 01/19/06
Makes no sense  Nigel Johnstone | 01/19/06
Only #3 would work  j.m.galvin | 01/19/06
#2 doesn't preclude supervision!  Nigel Johnstone | 01/19/06
Great - what about things like homework?  j.m.galvin | 01/19/06
Block access to all!!!  Too Old For IT | 01/20/06
Kids are going to learn about the REAL world ANYWAY!...  btljooz | 01/20/06
Another way for KING GEROGE to watch us  teacher@... | 01/19/06
Hitler?  Pyvent | 01/19/06
So true...  Henrick Ericcson | 01/21/06
Possibly. But as has been said, George didn't make this law...  HypnoToad | 01/19/06
(Clinton) The best president the US ever had,,,,,  The Reverend | 01/19/06
(Clinton) New uses for cigars ...  Too Old For IT | 01/20/06
Clinton? Huh...you weren't paying attention.  tat2me | 01/20/06
If you bielieve in something...  dfgu ;aZSdkfjg | 01/20/06
"...the love of Jesus because it's everywhere you look..."  UnderpayedRocker | 01/21/06
Clinton best? What a laugh!  ann@... | 01/20/06
Huh?  preacherx | 01/20/06
Yes Bush IS worse:  btljooz | 01/20/06
McElvain  MarkieMark | 01/19/06
Where is the NSA when you need them?  mtaus | 01/19/06
NSA probably did check it out first  fewilliamsjr@... | 01/19/06
You are right ! Then Google becomes the bad guy.  The Reverend | 01/19/06
That's exactly right  Leria | 01/20/06
Google IS the bad guy  kribor_z | 01/24/06
EXACTLY! Private as well as Corporate  btljooz | 01/20/06
A lot of you should try understanding basic civil law  j.m.galvin | 01/19/06
True...  John L. Ries | 01/19/06
That's not how it works  j.m.galvin | 01/19/06
Might be wrong on the subpeona...  John L. Ries | 01/19/06
That is NOT what this case is about at all  j.m.galvin | 01/20/06
Right on John! (nt)  tbbrickster_z | 01/20/06
How about this...If Google does not fight this tooth  Laff | 01/19/06
People understand, but strongly disagree  Michel Merlin | 01/20/06
Lawyers, governments, and camels  HatGuy | 01/20/06
I for one  Salt_z | 01/21/06
Bad idea  John L. Ries | 01/19/06
Google IS fighting it  j.m.galvin | 01/19/06
Legal fiction  John L. Ries | 01/19/06
Privacy  lemmons@... | 01/19/06
CHIP, CHIP, CHIP......  The Reverend | 01/19/06
Just another spy case that Bush is famous for!  anthonycea | 01/19/06
HAHA this is funny... government and business fighting over our data  Been_Done_Before | 01/19/06
YOUR UNDER ARREST FOR TYPING A WORD!  TexasJFP | 01/19/06
You Texas people should have spoken out  fewilliamsjr@... | 01/19/06
I did  Looneytoon | 01/19/06
Where do I contribute...  gardoglee | 01/19/06
Google will give it up eventually. Bush  The Reverend | 01/19/06
It looks pretty grim for COPA  theillmunkeys | 01/19/06
This would be better if it were an anarchy ...  Bob Allen_z | 01/19/06
Invading my privacy  alricsca | 01/19/06
Patriot Act  Anthony S. | 01/19/06
Here's a solution...  Allstar_z | 01/19/06
George W. Hitler hard at work  metilley@... | 01/19/06
bush  fett | 01/19/06
STOP the BUSH ERA  highlander0123 | 01/19/06
I AGREE  langston_charles@... | 01/20/06
Yet the feds fought and killed the .XXX domain.  James T. Kirk | 01/19/06
Plots within plots  theillmunkeys | 01/19/06
The Boogie men  Henrick Ericcson | 01/21/06
What's important to the current administration?  barbarossa_z | 01/19/06
ReRead what the story's premise is!  mikeholli | 01/19/06
Wrong, kiddie porn is not what this is about  Leria | 01/19/06
Um, no  Henrick Ericcson | 01/21/06
What's the matter with your people?  mikeholli | 01/19/06
This isn't about kiddie porn  Leria | 01/19/06
BIG BROTHER WANTS A BIG BITE  netwrk_engr | 01/19/06
We're The Frogs In The Pot  Mike2575 | 01/19/06
I have to stop posting now because my wife  The Reverend | 01/19/06
Are these people nuts?  tdlane54 | 01/19/06
Only in the US of A  MaritimeManiac | 01/19/06
Not privacy, It's Church & State in bed together  fredread | 01/19/06
non sequitur argument  stefen | 01/19/06
You Are Incorrect  Mike2575 | 01/19/06
ditto  stefen | 01/20/06
Touche'  Mike2575 | 01/21/06
2 -Things to Protect Yourself  jpr75_z | 01/19/06
Bush wants a chicken in every pot, and a mic under every dining room table  Sackaguano | 01/19/06
porn?  brat1298 | 01/19/06
Feds take porn fight to Google  mysongreg | 01/19/06
Pathetic how privacy advocates overreact  stefen | 01/19/06
Middle of the wedge  peeseebeeb@... | 01/19/06
Pathetic how some take their rights for granted  Looneytoon | 01/20/06
Pathetic how some have abdicated their responsibilities  stefen | 01/20/06
Feds take porn fight to Google  mysongreg | 01/19/06
How To Stop Children From Viewing Internet Porn?  drivedude | 01/19/06
There's a better answer  Leria | 01/20/06
Even better  bonnie1_b | 01/20/06
GREAT idea!!!!!!!!!! But THAT takes Parental EFFORT!!!!!!!!!!!  btljooz | 01/20/06
Give it to them...  Interfecus | 01/19/06
Some people just don't get it.  Anthony S. | 01/19/06
You hit the nail on the head  Leria | 01/20/06
YE$$$$$$$, Bu$ine$$  btljooz | 01/20/06
American spelling  peeseebeeb@... | 01/19/06
I agree...  Scottad_z | 01/19/06
feds take porn fight to google  canningsroad@... | 01/19/06
feds take porn fight to google  canningsroad@... | 01/19/06
where in the internet is it  canningsroad@... | 01/19/06
To Pres. Gee DumberThanYou Bosh and Stop Yanking My Cheney, Dick:  MGP2 | 01/19/06
Bush too stupid to find porn?  Dukhalion | 01/19/06
I can see the headlines now...  NathanCope | 01/19/06
fed and google  glukeria@... | 01/20/06
Privacy is as sacred as the Constitution  barrytfn | 01/20/06
Foreign Google users  carcrazychris71 | 01/20/06
Foreign Google Users  jasprey | 01/20/06
Behind Google 100%  falcon69 | 01/20/06
The truth about this is HERE!  anthonycea | 01/20/06
Hire a pedophile to find the sites  mlindl | 01/20/06
Pedophilia is legal  Leria | 01/20/06
You Gross........  Shelendrea | 01/20/06
Well, lets face it. Sex in any way shape or  The Reverend | 01/21/06
You are a very brave individual indeed  The Reverend | 01/21/06
No he is a sick puppy, and you winked.  osreinstall | 01/21/06
Supervise your kids and buy filters  SpywareFighter | 01/21/06
Jail is a good filter for teddy bear foreplay.  osreinstall | 01/21/06
Correction!  osreinstall | 01/21/06
There's an important distinction...  bhartman36 | 01/21/06
Wasn't trying to tie them together.  osreinstall | 01/21/06
Feds take porn fight to Google  tony_dambrosio | 01/20/06
America, this is what you voted for.  mobrien_12@... | 01/20/06
I didn't vote for Bush  Leria | 01/20/06
Well, at least partially right. This is what  The Reverend | 01/21/06
Porn is not the ultimate goal of record request  nonbeliever | 01/20/06
The "Surprise!" factor  jdubow@... | 01/20/06
Delete All Your Yahoo Accounts  itanalyst | 01/20/06
Deleting Accounts  jasprey | 01/20/06
Yahoo STILL has RECORDS!!!  btljooz | 01/20/06
TOO EASY TO ACCESS BY ANYBODY  sgriffi5@... | 01/20/06
Some of it isn't X-rated  Leria | 01/20/06
ABSOLUTELY  mobrien_12@... | 01/20/06
Ha ha ha !  The Reverend | 01/21/06
Feds take porn fight to Google  Graystone53 | 01/20/06
Big Brother becoming Big DADDY?  jkratzer3 | 01/20/06
Hear Hear  The Reverend | 01/21/06
Internet Porn  jasprey | 01/20/06
Please do not refer to Bush and  The Reverend | 01/21/06
Net Porn  John Kirkup | 01/20/06
HOLY SHINOLA BATMAN!!!!!!!  Shelendrea | 01/20/06
Personal Info.  jasprey | 01/20/06
Riiiiiiiiiiiiight  Shelendrea | 01/20/06
Thanks for common sense  ann@... | 01/20/06
Member of SAMBLA here..  Jeff Spicoli | 01/20/06
Jeff  Shelendrea | 01/20/06
Shelly you take things too seriously, Jeff was just JOKING!!!  btljooz | 01/20/06
So what If I do???  Shelendrea | 01/23/06
This request is porn, worry about the next request  tedman | 01/20/06
MS has a right to know ...  mwagner@... | 01/20/06
MS has no right either  tedman | 01/21/06
Google harrassed by Feds  bonnie1_b | 01/20/06
Let me tell you a story......  Shelendrea | 01/20/06
Sorry, I know it is your right to say what you feel  donjohn@... | 01/20/06
McCarthy era ?  sallyann | 01/20/06
We will only stop  donjohn@... | 01/20/06
sez who it aint privacy?  unkonventional | 01/20/06
First, you have to know the policy  Boot_Agnostic | 01/20/06
United POLICE States of America  adep | 01/20/06
Bullpoop  Shelendrea | 01/20/06
Shelendrea ... Shelendrea ... Shelendrea  BXLE | 01/20/06
Ha! And Purple Elephants  Shelendrea | 01/20/06
Bull stuff  BXLE | 01/20/06
I honestly do not  Shelendrea | 01/20/06
Good for Google ...  mwagner@... | 01/20/06
How is it  Shelendrea | 01/20/06
And that is how it is....  BXLE | 01/20/06
and if  Shelendrea | 01/20/06
thats not the point  unkonventional | 01/20/06
read the fine print  Shelendrea | 01/20/06
do u realize..  unkonventional | 01/20/06
so,  Shelendrea | 01/20/06
yeah, i noticed..  unkonventional | 01/20/06
ROTFLMAO. OMG we are Soooo screwed...  Henrick Ericcson | 01/21/06
Don't you ever  Shelendrea | 01/23/06
Is This the Same Google That Helps The Communist Chineese  RobertoSalazar | 01/20/06
Free speech in China?  Shelendrea | 01/20/06
Now let me see.  The Reverend | 01/21/06
nope they aint..  unkonventional | 01/20/06
Google and China  theillmunkeys | 01/20/06
It's just Uncle Sam trying again!  Tucson Dreamer | 01/20/06
Take your porn search to Emule  GreatInca | 01/20/06
and I bet  Shelendrea | 01/20/06
do grow up  unkonventional | 01/20/06
Porn  Shelendrea | 01/20/06
granted happy  unkonventional | 01/20/06
well then  Shelendrea | 01/20/06
Sad state of America  Henrick Ericcson | 01/21/06
Semantics  TexasJFP | 01/20/06
google stocks down 7%  unkonventional | 01/20/06
child pornography????  Pyvent | 01/20/06
child pornography????  Pyvent | 01/20/06
and as you know  Shelendrea | 01/20/06
Vote with your money  tom888 | 01/20/06
internet searchs by government  jenemutt@... | 01/20/06
So flawed it has to be the government.  osreinstall | 01/20/06
How old are you 67.34.55.190  The Reverend | 01/22/06
All accounts are in the parents name anyway.  osreinstall | 01/22/06
Unfortunately, you are correct .  The Reverend | 01/22/06
Wiretapping is much worse than useless logs.  osreinstall | 01/22/06
Assumptions about bush "follower"  james.d.noyes@... | 02/01/06
Fed versus Google  bernoulli | 01/20/06
*sigh*  Shelendrea | 01/20/06
legal subpoena ?  The Reverend | 01/22/06
if that is the case  Shelendrea | 01/23/06
Porn and Kids  dingers412@... | 01/20/06
If you believe the government is trustworthy  The Reverend | 01/22/06
Freedom  Stu39 | 01/20/06
Someone once said it better...  wfp5886 | 02/01/06
HURRAY for GOOGLE  cahartley | 01/20/06
I agree with ya but  clitatiousmami | 01/20/06
I agree with you....no buts about it.  knightd12 | 01/22/06
Google isn't truly supportive of Internet Freedom  zephyrwind69@... | 02/01/06
Is Privacy More important than our children?  clitatiousmami | 01/20/06
We have thought about it  donjohn@... | 01/20/06
Great Thinker  wfp5886 | 02/01/06
great thinker reply  wilbil1948@... | 02/02/06
 btljooz | 01/20/06
It's a foot in the door.  Pegasus1 | 01/20/06
What's Privacy Anyway?  loricj@... | 01/20/06
Nazi tactics  aptbroker1 | 01/21/06
you don't know the law obviously. so here is a small , undisgusting tidbit.  just ducky | 01/21/06
What does that have to do with the above comment?  Adaire | 02/02/06
abuse to children for porn movies  just ducky | 01/21/06
Here's the REST of the Bill of Rights.......  btljooz | 01/21/06
The Internet is American  wilkindw | 01/21/06
When I was young......  jks22835 | 01/21/06
Big Brother  roedy | 01/21/06
Sig Heil, y'all  marzboy77 | 01/21/06
fed want google to comply?  VINCEGOMES | 01/21/06
The REAL reason for this:  btljooz | 01/21/06
nothing to fear?  s_gamgee | 01/21/06
BEFORE you Post ...  btljooz | 01/21/06
Read my first post.  Adaire | 02/02/06
You mean THIS one? :::::  Betelgeuse58 | 02/02/06
friggin bush!!!!!!  will_b_z | 01/21/06
BUSH  howell7495@... | 02/02/06
It looks kind of strange........  vernon05 | 01/21/06
Why Google, Yahoo and Microsoft  treereaver | 01/22/06
Move Google to India!!  ellasagelas | 01/22/06
LOL, our fine leaders know all about business  The Reverend | 01/22/06
There seems to be a privacy issue  tekless | 01/22/06
PS  tekless | 01/22/06
Slippery Slope  Huehner | 01/23/06
What is Porn  wexwimpy@... | 01/23/06
Feds/Versus Google  dstony1@... | 01/23/06
remove all forms of nudity from everything  flukejh06 | 01/23/06
porn and Google search  tannybogus | 01/24/06
Founding Father  wfp5886 | 02/01/06
Ben Franklin  jguyp725@... | 02/01/06
What Google Doesn't Want Anyone To Know...  208mbrandon | 02/01/06
Feds on the WEBs  juan.long@... | 02/01/06
One more Time - Notr About Child Porn  Joseph Schuler | 02/01/06
Ok, then...  ke1122 | 02/01/06
Feds don't know the dirty words?  dlilga | 02/01/06
Support our Google Troups!  saurey | 02/01/06
What a contrast!  celtxian | 02/01/06
Not about PRIVACY?!?  KravenLC | 02/01/06
Not about PRIVACY?!?  ke1122 | 02/01/06
Young people...broken lives??  Nuey | 02/01/06
This is about YOUR personal freedom  RTedrow | 02/01/06
Google ignores the DOJ  benf_z | 02/01/06
Because there's no Name, Address, Telephone Data included?  NewCyberian | 06/28/06
Freedom  wizardb@... | 02/01/06
What do you have to hide?  ke1122 | 02/01/06
Because it's Completely Unecessary  zephyrwind69@... | 02/01/06
Says who?  ke1122 | 02/01/06
Get AdAware its free and cleans miners out  watchman200@... | 02/02/06
Privacy or not doesnt matter  wilbil1948@... | 02/02/06
This is not why Bush is doing this!  Adaire | 02/02/06
ZD Net turn these stats over.  Adaire | 02/02/06
BULL TACOS  howell7495@... | 02/02/06
Yep  howell7495@... | 02/02/06
Amen  howell7495@... | 02/02/06
Law helps but in the end it's a lost battle  travailler2 | 02/02/06
Wake up  Altotus | 02/06/06
Could the government do something worthwhile  Ted Goodwin | 02/12/06
They're Boiling The Frogs... and We are It  NewCyberian | 06/28/06
The Feds and your Constitutional Rights  viper581@... | 12/22/06
The Government likes games.  OKJoe | 12/27/06
If only  KrazyGuy | 12/28/06
Firefox  cogbiz44 | 12/30/06

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