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By Jo Best
Posted on ZDNet News: Apr 4, 2005 11:50:00 AM

Microsoft claims it is still on track to deliver the Longhorn next generation of the Windows operating system during the second quarter of 2006 despite knock-on delays from XP Service Pack 2, and has dismissed Apple's claims of the iPod "halo effect" denting the PC market.

While Microsoft execs have declared the OS is due out before mid 2006, the catalogue of delays that held up XP SP2's release have provoked a degree of skepticism about the roadmap among users. But Cynthia Crossley, head of Windows client at Microsoft UK, said the Redmond behemoth's hardware partners are cracking the whip to keep the company on the straight and narrow timeline, with the box-shifters demanding the OS be ready for the consumer spending that accompanies the September start of term and Christmas.

The first beta will be available in summer 2005, with a second beta scheduled to be released in autumn. The final complete release should be in out in the second quarter of 2006.

However, the development process was already delayed when security developers were pulled off working on Longhorn to contribute to XP SP2.

"It's the internal culture--anything to do with security, we get it out the door as soon as possible. The more pain the customer feels, the worse it is for us," Crossley told silicon.com. It's a rationale that Microsoft has already put into effect when it recently announced the news that IE7 will debut before Longhorn. While Microsoft is keeping quiet on what's in the box, Crossley said the three of the main pillars of the next-gen OS will be mobility, application compatibility and security.

With Apple's own next-gen OS, Tiger, widely expected to debut this month--almost a year before Longhorn's scheduled release--Apple execs have hinted they expect to be copycatted by Redmond rival.

Crossley said she expected technological crossovers but denied they would be deliberate.

"We do a load of research into what people want and funnily enough so does Apple--it's not hard to work it out... Will I be surprised if there are similarities? No."

And despite reports to the contrary, Crossley said Redmond has seen no halo effect from iPod users shunning PCs in favor of Macs.

"We haven't seen it yet," she said.

"We're not happy about losing any market share," Crossley said. "We worry less about 'losing share' and more about what else we can get into... we want to do it all."

As well as fighting the advents of other OSes, Microsoft has had a number of run-ins with antitrust authorities around the world, including the EU competition commission and the US Department of Justice.

Crossley said the ongoing battles wouldn't affect Longhorn's development. "For the last X number of years, we've been really internally reticent with the DOJ stuff, even before there were any questions with the EU. What we're saying now, there's a difference between being respectful and being kind of wimpy. We should hold our heads up high about what we do."

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funny, they say the samething for windows. what's more funny is that pc users LOVE to knock mac, like they have somekind of inferiority complex. Always critical of price, speed, functionality, etc. Al... (Read the rest)
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Nothing to see here  Real World | 04/04/05
Old news  Scrat | 04/04/05
Mac 'halo effect'  Loverock Davidson | 04/04/05
Halo effect  frgough@... | 04/04/05
Something to the effect of.....  Laff | 04/04/05
It is something a kin to the ...  ShadeTree | 04/04/05
Why is this a "great white hope"  dave95 | 04/04/05
It is because ...  ShadeTree | 04/04/05
wrong  Jeff Spicoli | 04/04/05
If the reason you bought your Mac was because ...  ShadeTree | 04/04/05
Considering..  Jeff Spicoli | 04/04/05
Pot meet Kettle.....:)  Laff | 04/04/05
Re: wrong  nightshade0143 | 04/10/05
No penalty but a few hassles  voska | 04/04/05
That's where you're wrong  dave95 | 04/04/05
Research consitutes a little more then ...  ShadeTree | 04/04/05
Who cares if it's proven  voska | 04/04/05
Yes, watch the numbers  tic swayback | 04/04/05
sales data, not switcher stories  Monkeypox | 04/05/05
Halo  TBarta | 04/04/05
RE: Halo  nightshade0143 | 04/06/05
Actually it is happening  TWRX | 04/04/05
Be careful of "intend to be" mac owners  Anton Philidor | 04/04/05
Something stylish...  Anton Philidor | 04/04/05
Ahh! The ever-popular "Macs are *SOOO EXPENSIVE!* canard  Atlant | 04/04/05
Talking about iPods  Anton Philidor | 04/04/05
What do you mean by the full version?  Laff | 04/04/05
RE: Laff  ShadeTree | 04/04/05
How big is the Nomad? Does it take the same size HD?  Laff | 04/04/05
aka the original iPod.  Anton Philidor | 04/04/05
I think the iPod shuttle only does 512K amd 1 gig no 128K version.  Laff | 04/04/05
Poor comparison  voska | 04/04/05
128 concerned the song rate, not the capacity...  Anton Philidor | 04/04/05
Anton--iPod shuffle is a seriously good bargain  tic swayback | 04/04/05
Tic, agreed, but not my original point.  Anton Philidor | 04/04/05
Anton--more than panache  tic swayback | 04/04/05
What's a screen for, Tic?  Anton Philidor | 04/04/05
Screening your calls  tic swayback | 04/04/05
Mathematically challeneged?  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 04/05/05
RE: mathimatically challenged  ShadeTree | 04/05/05
Mentally challenged.  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 04/05/05
Anton - Everyone would love to see  dave95 | 04/04/05
True, style is value...  nikoli | 04/04/05
Yes but..  Jeff Spicoli | 04/04/05
I Hope That Was Sarcastic  nikoli | 04/04/05
Me sarcastic? Neverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!  Jeff Spicoli | 04/04/05
I Own An iRiver  nikoli | 04/04/05
But again it's not only style.....  dave95 | 04/04/05
Yeah, and as though they werent biting the Apple by calling it IRiver!  Jeff Spicoli | 04/04/05
Let's see,...  Spoon Jabber | 04/04/05
Think about this  dave95 | 04/04/05
therefore the Zen is surely better value for money  Scrat | 04/05/05
So..Okay, I'll take a $250 PC with CD-RW and a great OS & SW  el1jones | 04/04/05
Please reread the post.  Anton Philidor | 04/04/05
The Dell for sale  lengua99 | 04/06/05
Re: So..Okay, I'll take a $250 PC with CD-RW and a great OS & SW  nightshade0143 | 04/10/05
Boy Il Ike that one  theo_durcan | 04/05/05
If no halo, then why the rising market share?  tic swayback | 04/04/05
Up in desktop, down in portable.  Anton Philidor | 04/04/05
But up overall  tic swayback | 04/04/05
Tenuous correlations  Anton Philidor | 04/04/05
It might just be coincidental  tic swayback | 04/04/05
Security without involving the user  Anton Philidor | 04/04/05
Still more than you need to do for a Mac  tic swayback | 04/04/05
I believe that if you had read the article ...  ShadeTree | 04/04/05
True...but that is NOT what you have been saying till now.  Laff | 04/04/05
I believe that if you had read the article....  tic swayback | 04/04/05
Why else  TWRX | 04/04/05
Typical Microsoft hubris...  gtdworak | 04/04/05
I assume you have some reference ...  ShadeTree | 04/04/05
A journey of a thousand miles begins with but a single step:)  Laff | 04/04/05
Nice platitude but totally irrelevent!(nt)  ShadeTree | 04/04/05
Hardly...if but one person who use to own a PC and ONLY a PC  Laff | 04/04/05
The problem with your logic is it ignores ...  ShadeTree | 04/04/05
Yeah! Will NEVER happen!  Jeff Spicoli | 04/04/05
The Apple II had at one time a huge market share, but  Laff | 04/04/05
Keep ignoring the facts children.  ShadeTree | 04/04/05
Only time will tell....:)  Laff | 04/04/05
How bout PT Barnum then: there's one born every minute!  Jeff Spicoli | 04/04/05
Not Phineas Taylor Barnum  Anton Philidor | 04/04/05
Jesus Anty!  Jeff Spicoli | 04/04/05
Thank you.  Anton Philidor | 04/04/05
Yes Anty  Jeff Spicoli | 04/04/05
Yes, the down side.  Anton Philidor | 04/04/05
What's ephemeral Anty? You lost me..  Jeff Spicoli | 04/04/05
He's saying that they are a fad, won't last (NT)  Spoon Jabber | 04/04/05
Sure. Look at sales #'s  ITGuy04 | 04/04/05
Wrong!  ShadeTree | 04/04/05
Face it Shaderoo!  Jeff Spicoli | 04/04/05
NOT!  ITGuy04 | 04/04/05
Best do some research Shade  tic swayback | 04/04/05
I'll give you that they have shown some ...  ShadeTree | 04/04/05
Let's not get into discussing stock prices...  tic swayback | 04/04/05
Thank you Shadeter for giving us that!  Jeff Spicoli | 04/04/05
Count me in that group Jeff  tic swayback | 04/04/05
Keep waiting for that G5 laptop.  ShadeTree | 04/04/05
Why unlikely?  tic swayback | 04/05/05
re: why unlikely  ShadeTree | 04/05/05
Major differences in this case  tic swayback | 04/05/05
RE: Sure. Look at sales #'s  richdave | 04/14/05
Personally don't know anyone switching but...  voska | 04/04/05
Nibbles are huge in context  tic swayback | 04/04/05
Our IT guy is  Ken_z | 04/04/05
Mac is cool, Windows is old school  Jeff Spicoli | 04/04/05
people are close minded  Power User | 04/06/05
The pressure is on MS  Ken_z | 04/04/05
Microsoft would have to improve Windows...  Anton Philidor | 04/04/05
Microsoft would have to improve Windows/WRONG  theo_durcan | 04/04/05
Good point, but realistic?  Anton Philidor | 04/04/05
Ma Bell  Spoon Jabber | 04/04/05
Which is why I want MS to shrink a bit...to make  Laff | 04/04/05
RE: Which is why I want MS to shrink a bit...to make  richdave | 04/14/05
What competition?  Anton Philidor | 04/04/05
Showing my age?  Spoon Jabber | 04/04/05
The cool things happened aside from the phone...  Anton Philidor | 04/04/05
One nice thing that happened  tic swayback | 04/04/05
Just like they improved IE?  tic swayback | 04/04/05
Sure is profit in IE  voska | 04/04/05
Hardly  John E Wahd | 04/05/05
Err... correction made.  John E Wahd | 04/05/05
Possibly...  rapson | 04/05/05
Exactly  John E Wahd | 04/05/05
RE: Exactly  richdave | 04/14/05
switched because of security or ?  Power User | 04/06/05
Macs will reach 60% market share!  Jeff Spicoli | 04/04/05
I doubt it, unless Mac becomes more software/hardware-compatible  doctormoriarty | 04/04/05
Doc !  Jkirk3279 | 04/04/05
Jeeze, Jeffy...  Real World | 04/04/05
Does Apple want 60% market share?  Ken_z | 04/04/05
No, but I;d love it if they got to 20%  Jeff Spicoli | 04/04/05
If they hit 5% US they'd have cause to celebrate.  Anton Philidor | 04/04/05
MS claiming "No fear" is delusional.  Richard Flude | 04/04/05
Nothing from Microsoft in the last couple of years?  Anton Philidor | 04/05/05
You've have identified the problem holding back MS  Richard Flude | 04/05/05
The challenge of 5%  Ken_z | 04/05/05
When Apple was running that advertising...  Anton Philidor | 04/05/05
Not necessarily  tic swayback | 04/05/05
MacAss  rsouza@... | 04/04/05
I'm proud of my jiggly Mac booty!  Jeff Spicoli | 04/04/05
All 5 of mine just work  Ken_z | 04/04/05
jeff i wonder a mac user or a linus peeon  Power User | 04/06/05
Halo effect?  Protector | 04/04/05
Or people have found the "hand n glove:" way the iPod  Laff | 04/04/05
You're contradicting yourself  tic swayback | 04/04/05
In other news...  Real World | 04/04/05
How many times was the flaw exploited?  Laff | 04/04/05
The Easy Solution...  nikoli | 04/04/05
And this has to do with windows or Mac 'halo effect how? (nt)  el1jones | 04/04/05
Nothing...  Real World | 04/04/05
It Was Dumb To Knock Firefox In The First Place  nikoli | 04/04/05
Temper, temper  Real World | 04/04/05
int the other otehr news  Iain_Peters | 04/04/05
and everyone says get firefox is the best  Power User | 04/06/05
iPod Halo effect? Umm, doubt it . . .  CobraA1 | 04/04/05
Sample size n=1  tic swayback | 04/04/05
Halo Effect does NOT mean everyone or even close  Laff | 04/04/05
Macs are OVER PRICED...  twit | 04/04/05
First of all NEVER buy or upgrade memory from Apple.  Laff | 04/04/05
#1, you're wrong; #2, you're mistaken, etc.  macbill | 04/04/05
seconded  Tim Carpenter | 04/05/05
Build versus buy  tic swayback | 04/04/05
You pay for what you get  Ken_z | 04/04/05
Simple questions  Richard Flude | 04/04/05
twit is a fitting name - try research next time.  ITGuy04 | 04/04/05
If you put as much effort into shopping for the mac...  Dan__ | 04/05/05
games and mac that funny  Power User | 04/06/05
You never heard  lengua99 | 04/06/05
twit the answer is simple apple is a cult  Power User | 04/06/05
huh?  bhut | 04/22/05
A sure sign of the halo effect  jrfezziwig@... | 04/04/05
Microsoft: No fears of Mac 'halo effect'  retro84 | 04/04/05
Comes out with versus Promises to come out with  tic swayback | 04/04/05
What else would you expect for a M$ exec to say?  Reverend MacFellow | 04/04/05
Maybe not Fear it  enternamehere-20061413043042855708329691381958 | 04/04/05
Never!  Reverend MacFellow | 04/05/05
RE: Never!  richdave | 04/14/05
I bought a mac-mini... heres why!  Rogue_z | 04/04/05
Me thinks Microsoft doth protest too much  Userama | 04/04/05
Um, better think again... happy  wolf_z | 04/05/05
Shhh  rapson | 04/05/05
I know the answer to that one!  tic swayback | 04/05/05
BWahahahaha Tic!  Jeff Spicoli | 04/05/05
apple stuttering fools  Power User | 04/06/05
maybe but  Power User | 04/06/05
Windows busted  ned_gerblanski | 04/05/05
im not the bigest fan  cknapp151 | 04/06/05
Has been busted since 3.1  ITGuy04 | 04/18/05
Comparison  Kaena | 04/05/05
I just want it all to work...  rpommier | 04/07/05
Ignorance  internalfusion | 04/09/05
Speaking of ignorance...  MacCanuck | 04/11/05
*sigh  internalfusion | 04/09/05
Hardy har  internalfusion | 04/09/05
Apple has Enterprise Apps  ITGuy04 | 04/18/05
Mac doesn't have a Halo when they're going that slow...  zeusfuse | 04/13/05
You should separate your opinion from facts  MacCanuck | 04/14/05
Cltr + Alt + Del  smily4u | 04/21/05
why so much anger?  bhut | 04/22/05

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