Novell: We were wrong again
Loverock Davidson | 09/12/05
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novell, you used to be so good?
specialk_z | 09/12/05
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But this is not just about Novel vs Linux.
DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
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Let me rephrase
Loverock Davidson | 09/12/05
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685 days is not a record
balsover | 09/14/05
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Corporations are not sick of increased complexity and new hardware costs???
DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
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Huh? The only reason to upgrade is...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/12/05
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Really?
Michael Kelly | 09/12/05
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Exactly
Tim Patterson | 09/13/05
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Oh, security, stability, simplicity, cost, mean NOTHING to corporations????
DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
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Sure it's importtant, but only in balance with other issues.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/12/05
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Corporations do NOT want to trade security and stability for anything.
DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
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Here we go again
Linux Guy 1000 | 09/12/05
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Only if you are right
osreinstall | 09/13/05
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Re: Sure it's importtant, but only in balance with other issues
none none | 09/12/05
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RE: Sure it's importtant, but only in balance with other issues.
nightshade0143 | 09/13/05
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They mean a lot
NonZealot | 09/12/05
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I think there is something missing in these talks about
Laff | 09/12/05
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Re: They mean a lot
none none | 09/12/05
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Or because MS is refusing to support you any more?
Zogg | 09/12/05
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Does Red Hat support version 9?
balsover | 09/14/05
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exactly, this is why i'm on win2k
Valis Keogh | 09/12/05
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I agree with you 100%, stay on Win2k
DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
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The actual product was good
Michael Kelly | 09/12/05
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Hey Mike, I noticed that you can download ...
Judas I. | 09/12/05
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Novell was not that good
balsover | 09/14/05
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Linux IS killing Windows, Rockhead.
Judas I. | 09/12/05
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Really care to show that in dollars?
No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/12/05
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Now, let me show you how ridiculous that statement is, Axey.
Judas I. | 09/12/05
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Not on the desktop.
osreinstall | 09/12/05
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Read my response to Axey, above, osreinstall.
Judas I. | 09/12/05
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Been hearing that too long
osreinstall | 09/12/05
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Well, I gotta say that I think you're wrong on this one.
Judas I. | 09/13/05
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Really
osreinstall | 09/13/05
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If "one of the selling points for Vista" is ...
Judas I. | 09/14/05
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That is a little drastic and overstated
osreinstall | 09/14/05
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re
jimk_z | 09/13/05
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You just don't get it
jfp | 09/12/05
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I get it
Loverock Davidson | 09/12/05
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See, Rockhead REALLY doesn't get it.
Judas I. | 09/13/05
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that is a very large 'only' that you list
balsover | 09/14/05
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Clueless
Roger Ramjet | 09/13/05
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Your Just a Hater
Edward@... | 09/13/05
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windows is now like Unix..Its fragmented.
jimk_z | 09/13/05
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Another report.
vdraken | 09/12/05
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RE: Another report
Linux Guy 1000 | 09/12/05
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Could not agree more. Microsoft is not focusing on what corporate customers
DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
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they are simply incapable of delivering a
michael_t | 09/12/05
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I AGREE 100%
the_slash | 09/12/05
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I think they call that "Progress"
SteveG123 | 09/12/05
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You are making crap up again as usual.
osreinstall | 09/12/05
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What's the point? What the hell...
GuyAlanDye | 09/13/05
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I-Tunes work on Windows
voska | 09/13/05
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That's fair...
GuyAlanDye | 09/13/05
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You still don't have it straight.
Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 09/13/05
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Good Gawd, Here We Go...
GuyAlanDye | 09/14/05
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Dude, give up this obsession with MS
John Zern | 09/12/05
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I'd be happy to.
Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 09/13/05
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Spoken like a cubical drone
Chad_z | 09/14/05
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Of course
Edward@... | 09/13/05
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What do you expect the competition to say?
osreinstall | 09/12/05
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But those on NT and Win2000, that won' t get upgrades??
DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
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Vista has multiple distros.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/12/05
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Sure thing: blue, red, green, yellow, orange, teale and high-contrast
michael_t | 09/12/05
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Said the guy without a clue.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/12/05
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He is arguing differences will be cosmetic, Vista will NOT run on 256 MB.
DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
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Yes, But Linux Will
itanalyst | 09/12/05
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Yeah... And...?
Wolfie2K3 | 09/13/05
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The word you want is version, not distro (or distrib)
B.O.F.H. | 09/12/05
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Either works for me and for you.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/12/05
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But they have NOT planned one that will work on 256 MB.
DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
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So what? Do you know the price of RAM lately?
No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/12/05
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It is not just the RAM, it is the whole system performance.
DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
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Open case, install ram. 5 minutes
osreinstall | 09/12/05
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And, after installing that RAM, it still won't run Vista.
DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
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So now you are doing your job.
osreinstall | 09/12/05
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As of NOW, Vista won't run on 256MB, yes,Linux might force MS to reconsider
DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
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Wishful thinking
osreinstall | 09/12/05
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Oh, I see, Microsoft is stupid?? Discounts for stuff that does NOT work???
DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
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Just in case
osreinstall | 09/12/05
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Poppycock!
Wolfie2K3 | 09/13/05
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Irrelevant, if the RAM won't fit in your motherboard.
Zogg | 09/12/05
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Stupid is as Stupid does
tystoy1 | 09/14/05
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Hardware has a finite life.
osreinstall | 09/12/05
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You seem to think that all corporations have unlimited resources.
DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
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you seem to think
IT Scion | 09/12/05
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If the pain of the security problems is less than the pain of Linux,
DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
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You think linux is the only variable.
osreinstall | 09/12/05
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Most companies keep hardware if works good and had the uumph needed
DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
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Large companies have a upgrade schedule.
osreinstall | 09/12/05
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So corporations can throw away money because it is tax deductable???
DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
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It is just business.
osreinstall | 09/12/05
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Corporations will implement the DRM
voska | 09/12/05
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But, they aint a gona buy Vista just to get DRM.
DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
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They will chance it.
osreinstall | 09/12/05
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With or without DRM, Linux beats Windows hands down on security.
DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
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You know this for sure?
osreinstall | 09/12/05
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You are dreaming if you thing DRM is the answer to security.
DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
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We haven't seen it yet.
osreinstall | 09/12/05
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Villy: DRM would work there
voska | 09/13/05
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Consumers can DRM their own work too.
osreinstall | 09/13/05
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Exactly what I meant.
osreinstall | 09/12/05
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DRM might help if run on a SECURE platform.
DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
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Most are going with Vista
osreinstall | 09/12/05
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Read up, very few corporations are planning to use Vista.
DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
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Another wish on your list
osreinstall | 09/12/05
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Of course they will stick with W2K or XP
voska | 09/13/05
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Anyone using NT or Windows 95 is not in the same market
balsover | 09/14/05
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Gee
Linux Guy 1000 | 09/12/05
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I knew you would come around eventually.
osreinstall | 09/12/05
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Keep dreaming...
Linux Guy 1000 | 09/12/05
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Well you were lucid for 5 seconds.
osreinstall | 09/12/05
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Yeah right....
Tommy Gun | 09/12/05
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Could this be because
IT_User | 09/12/05
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RE:
proxer | 09/13/05
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Nuff Said...
Wolfie2K3 | 09/13/05
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well...
KewlAzMe | 09/14/05
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Vista will drive users away from MS
Otto_Delete | 09/12/05
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Bad timing for OS X
rpmyers1 | 09/12/05
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Perhaps, but...
tic swayback | 09/12/05
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Good point.
opensourcepro | 09/12/05
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So then Apple is throwing away it's HW side?
IT Scion | 09/12/05
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Don't hold your breath
tic swayback | 09/12/05
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...And donkeys will fly.
Wolfie2K3 | 09/13/05
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but...
KewlAzMe | 09/14/05
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as well as the more confusing aspects of it
Oscar_Goldman | 09/12/05
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Where did you come up with those numbers?
No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/12/05
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Yes, Dirt Cheap To Companies
itanalyst | 09/12/05
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You'll also need to get a new monitor
Alan Balaoing | 09/12/05
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Yiu ar so far out in left field we can't even see you.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/12/05
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re
jimk_z | 09/13/05
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Nice of Novell to say so
Boot_Agnostic | 09/12/05
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Nonsense
wrgpd | 09/12/05
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Is Vista compatible
rpmyers1 | 09/12/05
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Yup
IT Scion | 09/12/05
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Why Novell is really scaring me
Michael Kelly | 09/12/05
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What I don't get
rapson | 09/12/05
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I don't get it either..
Wolfie2K3 | 09/13/05
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Hog Wash, first the user must be considering a new OS...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/12/05
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The article is hogwash?
Michael Kelly | 09/12/05
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The premis is hogwash...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/12/05
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Not really
Michael Kelly | 09/12/05
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I agree in part.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/12/05
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Re: I agree in part.
none none | 09/12/05
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Re: Not really
none none | 09/12/05
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Re: Hog Wash, first the user must be considering a new OS...
none none | 09/12/05
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As usual nobody has harmed MS MORE than
michael_t | 09/12/05
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Again
IT Scion | 09/12/05
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Novell's last, gasping breath...
jpr75_z | 09/12/05
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MS is screwing up
jimk_z | 09/13/05
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only one
tystoy1 | 09/14/05
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what about...
KewlAzMe | 09/14/05
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actually very clever...
keithx | 09/15/05
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Good Riddance
the_slash | 09/12/05
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Delay will cost Microsoft
opensourcepro | 09/12/05
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So then I can
IT Scion | 09/12/05
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Re: Delay will cost Microsoft
ryxr30 | 09/12/05
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As long as MS has a stanglehold on VAR's
skeptic tank | 09/12/05
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VARs will offer Linux if customers demand it. IBM and others already
DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
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An "IF" that is never going to happen.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/12/05
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The point is, if you are a large corporation, it is already easy to get
DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
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Why would they change OS?
Andromedat6 | 09/12/05
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Nice
IT Scion | 09/12/05
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Funny you should say that...
Zogg | 09/12/05
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Funnier
IT Scion | 09/14/05
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Why switch to Linux?
hojue | 09/12/05
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how about reliability?
Oscar_Goldman | 09/12/05
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And you are talking about Windows right
defconvegas | 09/14/05
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Novell is gonna be the death of SuSE...
Linux Guy 1000 | 09/12/05
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They all suck
osreinstall | 09/12/05
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No... just SuSE.
Linux Guy 1000 | 09/12/05
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None of them are that fast
osreinstall | 09/12/05
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Gentoo
Real World | 09/13/05
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I will give it a try.
osreinstall | 09/13/05
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Ethernet
Real World | 09/13/05
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I had to wait 4 years before deadrat fired up nforce220
osreinstall | 09/13/05
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Competition on the desktop?
George Mitchell | 09/12/05
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What people forget here, is that we have a huge potential to reduce costs,
DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
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Tiny potenticial that is yet to be proven.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/12/05
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You didn't hear about the discounts offered to Munich????
DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
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Tiny potenticial that is yet to be proven
James58 | 09/14/05
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Great observation
Richard Flude | 09/12/05
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MS will keep giving security fixes for Win2000, and we never had support
DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
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Wow. Speaking of "No brainers"
John Zern | 09/12/05
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Not sure about this
hipparchus2000 | 09/12/05
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Novell has the best NOS in the world - Netware!
bjbrock | 09/12/05
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Hey DonnieSoft, you got it wrong again...
John Zern | 09/12/05
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I agree...
immrlizard | 09/13/05
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compguy_z | 09/12/05
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Businesses, perhaps, but I doubt home users will
CobraA1 | 09/12/05
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Opportunity for Microsoft to Recover
evangelinux | 09/13/05
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Whatever.
mockylock | 09/13/05
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Same old Novell, degraded Microsoft.
jimk_z | 09/13/05
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PIRACY
sushrutdk | 09/13/05
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what a joke
rijswijk | 09/14/05
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Joe Sixpack Speaks
s_gamgee | 09/14/05
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Hardware Upgrade Costs
aulax@... | 09/14/05
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Linux had only one chance to compete...
KewlAzMe | 09/14/05
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..and..
KewlAzMe | 09/14/05
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agreed...
KewlAzMe | 09/14/05
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Vista vs. Linux
shanedr | 09/14/05
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Vista is more likely to push users to OS X
AldoWatts | 09/14/05
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My two cents..
redtrain65 | 09/15/05
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why do my colleagues root for MS???
ted.dushane | 09/17/05
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