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By Ina Fried
Posted on ZDNet News: Sep 21, 2007 12:11:00 PM

While Microsoft is still pushing Vista hard, the company is quietly allowing PC makers to offer a "downgrade" option to buyers that get machines with the new operating system but want to switch to Windows XP.

The program applies only to Windows Vista Business and Ultimate versions, and it is up to PC makers to decide how, if at all, they want to make XP available. Fujitsu has been among the most aggressive, starting last month to include an XP disc in the box with its laptops and tablets.

"That's going to help out small- and medium-size businesses," Fujitsu marketing manager Brandon Farris told CNET News.com.

Hewlett-Packard also started a program in August for many of its business models. "For business desktops, workstations and select business notebooks and tablet PCs, customers can configure their systems to include the XP Pro restore disc for little or no charge," HP spokeswoman Tiffany Smith said in an e-mail. She said it was too soon to gauge how high customer interest has been. "Since we've only been offering (it) for about a month, we don't really have anything to share on demand."

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A Microsoft representative confirmed there were changes made over the summer to make it easier for customers to downgrade to XP. Under Microsoft's licensing terms for Vista, buyers of Vista Business and Vista Ultimate Edition have always had the right to downgrade to XP, but in practice this could be challenging. In June, Microsoft changed its practices to allow computer makers that sell pre-activated Vista machines to order Windows XP discs that could be included inside the box with PCs, or shipped to customers without requiring additional activation. Microsoft noted in a statement that neither it nor the PC makers are "obligated to supply earlier versions to end users under the end user licensing terms."

While there is always resistance by some to move to a new operating system, there appears to be particularly strong demand, especially from businesses, to stick with XP.

One of the challenges, for both businesses and consumers are Vista's hefty graphics and memory needs.

Lenovo, for its part, has details for its downgrade program on its IBM ThinkPad Web site.

Dell spokeswoman Anne Camden said Dell has been offering businesses that have a Premier Page set up the option to order systems with XP, Vista or Vista with XP downgrade rights. There is no extra charge for the downgrade rights.

"We've been offering it and we're still offering it," she said.

HP, Gateway and others also still sell machines with XP on them, nearly a year after Microsoft first started offering Vista to businesses. Vista went on sale broadly to consumers in January, at which point XP largely disappeared from retail shelves.

However, demand for XP has remained. In April, Dell brought XP back as an option even on consumer PCs.

There is an issue, though, over how long PC makers can keep selling machines with Windows XP as the preloaded operating system. Microsoft is requiring large PC makers to stop selling XP-based systems as of January 31, though some PC makers would like to sell XP machines for longer.

"We're all lobbying for it," Farris said.

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True  itpro_z | 09/22/07
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I agree  itpro_z | 09/24/07
Macs get faster  James29UK | 09/27/07
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A Choir for Vista  Ole Man | 09/24/07
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Excuses, excuses.....none valid  The_Curmudgeon | 09/24/07
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Answer to you in kind, and with your eloquence  Ole Man | 09/25/07
Remedial classes...obviously  mluther223@... | 09/26/07
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Vista growing from strength to strength  jerryleecooper | 09/24/07
The new Ricky Gervais  James29UK | 09/27/07
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Vista Premium  linda_galvin@... | 09/24/07
Your OS  Eaglefeathers1@... | 09/25/07
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Vista Home Premium TOO SLOW  grichardt@... | 09/25/07
Look at your hardware  itpro_z | 09/26/07
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Agreement  rlambert12@... | 09/25/07
RE: The XP alternative for Vista PCs  tactgroup@... | 09/25/07
RE: The XP alternative for Vista PCs  Peluchin | 09/25/07
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my drivers work  exvallarta@... | 09/25/07
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You mean like...  itpro_z | 09/26/07
Wow, where to begin!  critic-at-arms | 10/03/07
Vista may be perfect for the little guy?  exvallarta@... | 09/25/07
Reasons why I will not touch Vista  I. Kidya Knott | 09/25/07
You forgot the best reason  critic-at-arms | 09/25/07
That's a reason  I. Kidya Knott | 09/25/07
Your Reasons?  TxTopgun | 09/25/07
Are you a control freek?  Rude Union | 09/25/07
No, I'd say he got the main ones  mdsmedia | 09/25/07
The only cure for Vista is deletion and discontinuance  XweAponX | 09/26/07
Really?  Xyz4 | 09/26/07
Home network  beechbell@... | 09/27/07
Users  itpro_z | 09/27/07
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: The XP alternative for Vista PCs  robert@... | 09/26/07
Not until the kinks are worked out.  brian.iller@... | 09/26/07
RE: The XP alternative for Vista PCs  vger_z | 09/26/07
The only thing worse than XP is Vista...  mikifinaz1@... | 09/26/07
Alternative  tom.hopwood@... | 09/27/07
HA HAHA  cowan_bob@... | 09/27/07
yep  morrig | 09/27/07
Lost...... Disappeared!  Ole Man | 09/27/07
RE: The XP alternative for Vista PCs  mdbobbo@... | 09/27/07
Microsoft OK's XP Installation CD's for Vista Business Users  Evisscerator | 09/29/07
Downgrade? Learn English.  johntgraham@... | 09/30/07
Vista vs XP!  b1qgbe45 | 10/01/07
Laughing  Krazyken39 | 10/02/07
"Lost Horizon" ?  Ole Man | 10/02/07
Looks good doesn't work well!  Jmes1415@... | 10/03/07
Vista' coming  oest@... | 10/03/07
I have Vista Ultimate on a e6700  x-windows user | 10/03/07
Financial software not to be upgraded to Vista.  lkarpinski@... | 10/03/07
Vista's NOT for me!  jbaviera@... | 10/03/07
Re: XP Alternitive  back_atcha | 10/03/07
Loverock loves to pick OS fights  lschw1 | 10/04/07
vista and xp: my experience  james31554 | 10/08/07
VISTA WHO WANTS IT  mark226@... | 10/08/07
Games  Malleable | 10/09/07
Wheres the Beef Or in this case....story  SirCatlord | 10/09/07
hosta la vista  catseverywhere@... | 10/10/07
RE: The XP alternative for Vista PCs  jeff92677 | 10/10/07
diversity is conservative  catseverywhere@... | 10/10/07
It's the software  KirtMF | 10/10/07
Problems, Problems, Problems  catlover1982 | 10/10/07
No Choice  cbragg1@... | 10/10/07
RE: The XP alternative for Vista PCs  sdismukes | 10/11/07
Alternatives  robinsonky | 10/11/07
1:Your Computer runs slower  wizardb@... | 10/13/07
RE: The XP alternative for Vista PCs  james.faction | 10/22/07

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