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By Ina Fried, News.com
Posted on ZDNet News: Sep 21, 2007 12:11:00 PM

While Microsoft is still pushing Vista hard, the company is quietly allowing PC makers to offer a "downgrade" option to buyers that get machines with the new operating system but want to switch to Windows XP.

The program applies only to Windows Vista Business and Ultimate versions, and it is up to PC makers to decide how, if at all, they want to make XP available. Fujitsu has been among the most aggressive, starting last month to include an XP disc in the box with its laptops and tablets.

"That's going to help out small- and medium-size businesses," Fujitsu marketing manager Brandon Farris told CNET News.com.

Hewlett-Packard also started a program in August for many of its business models. "For business desktops, workstations and select business notebooks and tablet PCs, customers can configure their systems to include the XP Pro restore disc for little or no charge," HP spokeswoman Tiffany Smith said in an e-mail. She said it was too soon to gauge how high customer interest has been. "Since we've only been offering (it) for about a month, we don't really have anything to share on demand."

Lenovo page

A Microsoft representative confirmed there were changes made over the summer to make it easier for customers to downgrade to XP. Under Microsoft's licensing terms for Vista, buyers of Vista Business and Vista Ultimate Edition have always had the right to downgrade to XP, but in practice this could be challenging. In June, Microsoft changed its practices to allow computer makers that sell pre-activated Vista machines to order Windows XP discs that could be included inside the box with PCs, or shipped to customers without requiring additional activation. Microsoft noted in a statement that neither it nor the PC makers are "obligated to supply earlier versions to end users under the end user licensing terms."

While there is always resistance by some to move to a new operating system, there appears to be particularly strong demand, especially from businesses, to stick with XP.

One of the challenges, for both businesses and consumers are Vista's hefty graphics and memory needs.

Lenovo, for its part, has details for its downgrade program on its IBM ThinkPad Web site.

Dell spokeswoman Anne Camden said Dell has been offering businesses that have a Premier Page set up the option to order systems with XP, Vista or Vista with XP downgrade rights. There is no extra charge for the downgrade rights.

"We've been offering it and we're still offering it," she said.

HP, Gateway and others also still sell machines with XP on them, nearly a year after Microsoft first started offering Vista to businesses. Vista went on sale broadly to consumers in January, at which point XP largely disappeared from retail shelves.

However, demand for XP has remained. In April, Dell brought XP back as an option even on consumer PCs.

There is an issue, though, over how long PC makers can keep selling machines with Windows XP as the preloaded operating system. Microsoft is requiring large PC makers to stop selling XP-based systems as of January 31, though some PC makers would like to sell XP machines for longer.

"We're all lobbying for it," Farris said.

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Well, like many other people on this talk back area....I agree with them, Vista sucks, get over it Vista supporters. You think that you can get us to cave into Vista. We will always stand on our groun... (Read the rest)
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The XP alternative for Vista PCs Loverock Davidson   | 09/21/07
Inevitable? shoktai@...   | 09/21/07
Sure you're not Loverock Davidson   | 09/21/07
Vista is not a good OS anthony_hunt   | 09/24/07
Hmmm..... TxTopgun   | 09/24/07
My Experience has been Great... OU812_BABY   | 09/24/07
Mac vrs XP danielott@...   | 09/24/07
XP vs Vista gil28@...   | 09/24/07
Sorry to hear that... OU812_BABY   | 09/24/07
Sounds like your problem is elsewhere TxTopgun   | 09/25/07
Pain in the rear jeeplikens   | 09/27/07
Vista Ultimate since January... OU812_BABY   | 09/24/07
Forgot one thing, OU812_BABY   | 09/24/07
LAN Issues TxTopgun   | 09/24/07
I don't know if I have tried that yet... OU812_BABY   | 09/24/07
So Sabz5150   | 09/24/07
Moron! TxTopgun   | 09/24/07
yep thats what yer doo morrig   | 09/25/07
Vista is not a good Os frank@...   | 09/25/07
I agree ethanbowenwon@...   | 10/26/07
Change Of Mind lift315mikej@...   | 09/26/07
been there, done that balaknair   | 09/25/07
Just upgrade to XP ... msdead   | 09/25/07
Not for a looong time... PCTechMan   | 09/25/07
I dont think so Tinker@...   | 09/24/07
Heard that one before? barble   | 10/08/07
The XP alternative for Vista PCs snd113   | 10/10/07
NonExistent? kd5auq   | 09/21/07
Yes nonexistant Loverock Davidson   | 09/21/07
A counterargument zkiwi   | 09/21/07
What kind of counterarguement is that? Loverock Davidson   | 09/21/07
It means zkiwi   | 09/21/07
more lies. xuniL_z   | 09/22/07
Obviously you don't develope and two need math... OU812_BABY   | 09/24/07
companies biting the bullet Ole Man   | 09/24/07
Wow xuniL_z   | 09/24/07
WOW! That's the ticket Ole Man   | 09/25/07
Ole Man TxTopgun   | 09/25/07
Vista has had a long, difficult gestation... Raymond Danner   | 09/27/07
Haha! I see a lemming Rude Union   | 09/21/07
I see the truth Loverock Davidson   | 09/21/07
Plenty! Linux User 147560   | 09/21/07
Exactly Rude Union   | 09/21/07
In software terms - that assinine. ... OU812_BABY   | 09/24/07
It may be assinine... But it is reality Chippolus   | 09/25/07
Out of touch rolf.ernst@...   | 09/24/07
For MS cultists like Lovey and No_Ax, . . . critic-at-arms   | 09/25/07
Legacy apps critic-at-arms   | 09/25/07
the truth? A.Lizard   | 09/25/07
Free enterprise! TxTopgun   | 09/25/07
Key issue? fhrcf48boccd1z3   | 09/22/07
You lose Cayble   | 09/22/07
I lasted 5 days mad tabby   | 09/24/07
Do you remember... RS9   | 09/24/07
Halfway down the road balaknair   | 09/25/07
Typical IT response Shinsengumi   | 09/24/07
Sorry, Lovey, you're missing the whole point critic-at-arms   | 09/25/07
They've had over a year to produce a Vista compatible product... Media-Ted@...   | 10/04/07
NonExistent! skipplummer   | 10/10/07
I like it... knowbody   | 09/21/07
I like it too Loverock Davidson   | 09/21/07
Re: I like it too Paco20   | 09/23/07
Summer of rotten Apple OU812_BABY   | 09/24/07
Blind and Deaf, but not Dumb filker0   | 09/24/07
Just your opinion...and well that and a grain OU812_BABY   | 09/24/07
Don't go about making points with information you don't have filker0   | 09/24/07
Hear Hear!! Well Said! (NM) diggerbunny@...   | 09/24/07
Kudos handydan918@...   | 09/24/07
I concede to your answer and facts...however OU812_BABY   | 09/24/07
Forgot one thing....for Kudo's OU812_BABY   | 09/24/07
I hear You & Agree DrDave_40@...   | 09/25/07
to linuxisatoy.... mdsmedia   | 09/25/07
Sorry but... James29UK   | 09/27/07
AMEN Brother! OU812_BABY   | 09/24/07
Vista offers lockups and broken IPODS skraf   | 09/24/07
Sony? itpro_z   | 09/25/07
Don't work in IT do you? voska   | 09/21/07
Of course I do Loverock Davidson   | 09/21/07
In your own mind Linux User 147560   | 09/21/07
Oh and your so amazing that we should use... OU812_BABY   | 09/24/07
No, you're not bmerc   | 09/24/07
Maybe works at a company that actually... OU812_BABY   | 09/24/07
So in your world... mad tabby   | 09/24/07
6000+ - and we upgrade and convert OU812_BABY   | 09/24/07
not so good Sxooter_z   | 09/24/07
I'm sure you are Shinsengumi   | 09/24/07
Yes, even MS PR flacks "work in the IT industry." critic-at-arms   | 09/25/07
sure, as long as A.Lizard   | 09/25/07
good at it...I hope so mluther223@...   | 09/26/07
You need better people ITGuy04   | 09/24/07
I agree. OU812_BABY   | 09/24/07
ADP for the auto industry, DVM... bjbrock   | 09/21/07
Thats when Loverock Davidson   | 09/21/07
Discussing with you is pointless bjbrock   | 09/21/07
You must be new here critic-at-arms   | 09/25/07
Really? fhrcf48boccd1z3   | 09/22/07
The Real IT Problem TxTopgun   | 09/25/07
What a moron bmerc   | 09/24/07
Oh yes, many benefits. nomorems   | 09/21/07
No money to pay Loverock Davidson   | 09/21/07
Site License? filker0   | 09/24/07
Not True at All rbeier   | 09/21/07
You are talking hardware Loverock Davidson   | 09/21/07
You missed his point. fhrcf48boccd1z3   | 09/22/07
Any minute now Shelendrea   | 09/21/07
No one is forcing them too Loverock Davidson   | 09/21/07
No, everyone is not going to be using Vista... Linux User 147560   | 09/21/07
That's right otaddy   | 09/22/07
I've back rev'ed three... bjbrock   | 09/23/07
XP around for a long time???? Franciscus101   | 09/24/07
Yes and No! fhrcf48boccd1z3   | 09/22/07
Horrible advice really coverlt@...   | 09/24/07
I agree xuniL_z   | 09/24/07
Then What About This? TxTopgun   | 09/25/07
No, everyone is not going to move to Vista... Linux User 147560   | 09/21/07
Bet your wrong.... OU812_BABY   | 09/24/07
"God help the users when they decide to go out and get better paying jobs." nomoremicrosoft   | 09/26/07
Exactly!!! Redcell   | 09/27/07
For instance how fast would Windows for Work groups be if you ran it on one jbaviera@...   | 10/03/07
No Vista for me donthetech   | 09/24/07
Why?....what PERSONAL experience can you OU812_BABY   | 09/24/07
Wrong question critic-at-arms   | 09/25/07
amen ethanbowenwon@...   | 10/26/07
If you're going to have to learn something new... jasonp@...   | 09/21/07
I suspect.... cdiazh   | 09/23/07
Not sure how you can make those statements... OU812_BABY   | 09/24/07
It's simple! TxTopgun   | 09/25/07
Sounds familiar MacCanuck   | 09/25/07
Mac-bashing? TxTopgun   | 09/25/07
I use Windows at work MacCanuck   | 09/25/07
Re: I Use Windows at work TxTopgun   | 09/25/07
Not trolling...teaching, educating and inspiring others to 'go beyond' (NT) nomoremicrosoft   | 09/26/07
From a previous post, it's good your leaving MacCanuck   | 09/27/07
Are you referring to yourself there? mdsmedia   | 09/25/07
No Need CodeBubba   | 09/24/07
You will be assimilated mrleo1957   | 09/24/07
It is the money!!! TerryNT   | 09/24/07
And for you.... TxTopgun   | 09/25/07
Compatibility maschwab@...   | 09/24/07
Dell TxTopgun   | 09/25/07
Dell UK and XP raykirkwood@...   | 10/01/07
You are so naive it is ridiculous. blarman_z   | 09/25/07
Everyone's Moving towards Vista? Eventually? DrDave_40@...   | 09/25/07
Lovey whisltes past the graveyard critic-at-arms   | 09/25/07
Well ... msdead   | 09/25/07
Propogated by you! TxTopgun   | 09/25/07
Remember Windows ME SirCatlord   | 09/26/07
Idiot wizardb@...   | 10/01/07
Who is this idiot? mlandon   | 10/03/07
Inevitable endlr@...   | 10/03/07
Are you kidding??? Oops, no, you're loverock. 'S'cuze me... Media-Ted@...   | 10/04/07
Whatever harrisharris   | 10/08/07
Vista downgrade mayres   | 10/09/07
What about customer choice ramnet@...   | 10/10/07
Everyone is going to be going to Vista eventually! RichardCook70@...   | 10/12/07
Win Vista the 21st Century Windows ME Tekman   | 10/19/07
I Am Not Going To Upgrade ethanbowenwon@...   | 10/24/07
RE: The XP alternative for Vista PCs drushey   | 09/21/07
Be Careful What You Mock Harlemite   | 09/21/07
Give me Macintosh or death voska   | 09/21/07
Deja vu itpro_z   | 09/21/07
oh really? is this from a mac fanboy? Arm A. Geddon   | 09/21/07
Apple sales surging itpro_z   | 09/21/07
I wonder if Apple ...... the.tumbleweed   | 09/21/07
Maybe itpro_z   | 09/22/07