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By Colin Barker, News.com
Posted on ZDNet News: Aug 22, 2006 5:14:00 PM

The head of Microsoft's open-source business has offered to help get Firefox to work with Windows Vista, but it remains to be seen whether Mozilla and the open-source community will respond positively.

Sam Ramji, the director of Microsoft's open-source software lab, posted an open invitation for them to work with the software giant on a Mozilla development discussion group mailing list Monday.

"I'm writing to see if you are open to some 1:1 support in getting Firefox and Thunderbird to run on Vista," Ramji wrote. Mozilla oversees the development of the open-source Firefox Web browser and Thunderbird e-mail client.

He stressed that Microsoft is "committed to evolving our thinking beyond commercial companies to include open-source projects" for Vista, the update to the Windows operating system due for broad release in January.

Ramji was also anxious that Mozilla and the open-source community should not take the offer lightly. He stressed that his contribution to Vista is the "nontrivial effort of getting slots for noncommercial open-source projects."

Early signs from the open-source community indicate that some are suspicious of Microsoft's motives.

But others believe that Monday's offer was a sign that Microsoft is changing. The company has finally realized that "ultimately...proprietary technologies will always get replaced by an industry-supported, open-standard alternative, hence the embrace of RSS, Open Source Lab, XML and royalty-free access to Open XML," one enthusiast wrote in a posting to the Ars Technica Web site.

Firefox already runs successfully on existing Windows, Linux and Macintosh operating systems. Testing by ZDNet UK Reviews found that it also runs well in Vista beta 2, so it's not clear why Mozilla would need help from Microsoft.

Mozilla Europe said it was "too early to comment" on Microsoft's offer.

Colin Barker of ZDNet UK reported from London.

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Yep and they will state its theirs!!!!
Remember the battle that a company made trying to charge millions to the giants cause they were using their open source code. Company is still in business, though no true Linux user would consider th... (Read the rest)
Posted by: Uralbas Posted on: 10/23/06 You are currently: Logged In | Log out
No need for M$ "help" Linux Geek   | 08/22/06
"Help" SC-man   | 08/22/06
Who ever uses Firefox doesnt like MS Uralbas   | 10/23/06
Seriously guy, this is why right here... Cayble   | 08/22/06
I Agree - Congrats to MS for wanting everything to work djc1309@...   | 08/22/06
Isn't this an oxymoron? russdwright@...   | 08/22/06
MS needs Linux help? berbar@...   | 08/23/06
Yes and no. Disrupted_z   | 08/23/06
Microsoft would have to pay Uralbas   | 10/23/06
Why wait until djc1309@...   | 08/24/06
But... IronCladChicken   | 08/23/06
OS and IE dreis@...   | 08/22/06
Ops,,,,, dreis@...   | 08/22/06
Linux attitudes petteyg359   | 08/22/06
Oh , like you yourself aren't a Windows SNOB ! Intellihence   | 08/22/06
Hot news flash ! Please read this ,,, Intellihence   | 08/22/06
Even CNET knows better then to let ZDNET run anything else Intellihence   | 08/22/06
Freakin' TROLL! Wolfie2K3   | 08/22/06
Oh , look another Microsoft SNOB ! Intellihence   | 08/22/06
lets see.... mypl8s4u2   | 08/22/06
AWESOME DUDE , YOU HAVE BIG COJONES ,,, Intellihence   | 08/22/06
Can I say One Thing! dreis@...   | 08/22/06
No Problem on the Typo's aallord   | 08/22/06
That may be dreis@...   | 08/22/06
Very good point indeed . Intellihence   | 08/22/06
Not jealous... nomorems   | 08/22/06
" So, Whne Apple can self install," nomorems   | 08/22/06
yeah, we can see that. mypl8s4u2   | 08/22/06
See, see,... mypl8s4u2   | 08/22/06
sure... ydubinsky@...   | 08/23/06
No need for M$ "help" tealcat   | 08/23/06
FireFox may be the only app that runs Chad_z   | 08/22/06
Replacing Linux... Wolfie2K3   | 08/22/06
Ok, it is Beta, but what about Releases tyn   | 08/22/06
Don't trust Microsoft ! nomorems   | 08/22/06
Well, given that FireFox is open source, they have already stolen all that DonnieBoy   | 08/22/06
What do YOU know? BFD   | 08/22/06
And When Was aallord   | 08/22/06
Are you kidding? kekoa66   | 08/23/06
stealing others idea mavedrive   | 08/23/06
Stealing Ideas ydubinsky@...   | 08/23/06
That is the point, correct. nomorems   | 08/23/06
Yep and they will state its theirs!!!! Uralbas   | 10/23/06
Unlike Linux who ... ShadeTree   | 08/22/06
Hey now, be fair... nucrash   | 08/22/06
Go back to ones and zeros michaelkhalsa   | 08/22/06
Show me the source... kekoa66   | 08/23/06
The fact is tigertim   | 08/22/06
Agree. "If you lie with dogs, you get fleas" (nt) Castanet   | 08/22/06
In the Beginning.......... jt524   | 08/25/06
Let's see, while they are at it, we would like ODF support in MS Office, DonnieBoy   | 08/22/06
not quite native... JoeMama_z   | 08/22/06
Right, I remember that other publicity stunt. For it to be usefull I think DonnieBoy   | 08/22/06
its under a BSD license.... JoeMama_z   | 08/22/06
Firefox in Vista... Wolfie2K3   | 08/22/06
Good points.... JoeMama_z   | 08/22/06
Also... kekoa66   | 08/23/06
This just goes to show... Spikey_Mike   | 08/22/06
Not to be picky, but should be "pass muster", not mustard! DonnieBoy   | 08/22/06
"Cut the mustard" qquidd@...   | 08/22/06
The next thing you're going to tell me... Spikey_Mike   | 08/22/06
French Benefits.. Wolfie2K3   | 08/22/06
How do you know? dreis@...   | 08/22/06
Another brainiac here I see... BFD   | 08/22/06
Another spinner here I see. nomorems   | 08/22/06
Buying upgrades Wolfie2K3   | 08/22/06
I see fine, thank you very much! Spikey_Mike   | 08/22/06
Heh, heh! TimeBomb   | 08/22/06
Another thing, this might be a legal stunt. The want to be able to say DonnieBoy   | 08/22/06
Also, it they really want to help corporate customer that want choice, they DonnieBoy   | 08/22/06
What's your problem dude? BFD   | 08/22/06
BFD... nomorems   | 08/22/06
IE Should be Removed slim-01   | 08/22/06
Corporations do NOT want to patch, maintain, and train for two browsers. DonnieBoy   | 08/22/06
Being stuck.. Wolfie2K3   | 08/22/06
Exactly... nomorems   | 08/22/06
BINGO! Henaway   | 08/22/06
The problem... Wolfie2K3   | 08/22/06
one problem with your train of thought... ydubinsky@...   | 08/23/06
Agreed, so FF should say hawkeyeaz1   | 08/22/06
They should take them up on it Patrick Jones   | 08/22/06
Oh yes it could! nomorems   | 08/22/06
Very True slim-01   | 08/22/06
Are you kidding? dreis@...   | 08/22/06
As I understand it hawkeyeaz1   | 08/22/06
"Win1.0-Win3.0 were based on Apple's GUI concept ... nomorems   | 08/22/06
Re: Are you kidding? frrossk   | 08/23/06
One difference.. Patrick Jones   | 08/23/06
Correct. nomorems   | 08/23/06
The truth is Firefox has nothing to lose by ShadeTree   | 08/22/06
Oh yes they do! nomorems   | 08/22/06
Hello!!!!! Is there anybody in there? dreis@...   | 08/22/06
NOT! nomorems   | 08/22/06
Then why... rapson   | 08/23/06
You don't get it. nomorems   | 08/23/06
And that's bad... rapson   | 08/23/06
You are incorrect osreinstall   | 08/23/06
Not quite incorrect lostinlodos   | 08/26/06
You are way off osreinstall   | 08/26/06
Oh no they don't. ShadeTree   | 08/23/06
Oh yes they do. nomorems   | 08/23/06
Oh, they REALLY do! Cyber_Spy   | 08/29/06
Firefox runs on Vista, but some features don't work toadlife   | 08/22/06
Microsoft reaches out to Firefox developers Loverock Davidson   | 08/22/06
this decade? Scott W   | 08/22/06
What Others? nucrash   | 08/22/06
Opera Loverock Davidson   | 08/22/06
Sure sure nucrash   | 08/22/06
Thats one way to do it Loverock Davidson   | 08/22/06
"Vista is going to be one of the biggest things to hit ... nomorems   | 08/22/06
yeah, about vista nix_hed   | 08/22/06
Message has been deleted. Intellihence   | 08/22/06
Opps! You must have been a bad boy (NT) nomorems   | 08/22/06
Microsoft Help? slim-01   | 08/22/06
I'd be happy for them too Loverock Davidson   | 08/22/06
What about Microsofts Policy slim-01   | 08/22/06
"considering Microsoft has used BSD code previously" nomorems   | 08/22/06
Mozilla should not help ! Intellihence   | 08/22/06
Wow, another "biggest thing"... jasonp@...   | 08/24/06
THIS IS A TRICK! Reverend MacFellow   | 08/22/06
No, no, no. It's a trap! tic swayback   | 08/22/06
Virtualization mighetto   | 08/22/06
No let the fighting continue, the holy war of software Boot_Agnostic   | 08/22/06
Oh you mean like the way they dropped money into the SCO's hands Intellihence   | 08/22/06
My opinion Boot_Agnostic   | 08/24/06
Why does FF have to work within Vista? dbrimlow   | 08/22/06
Possibly because internet explorer does not function correctly Intellihence   | 08/22/06
Firefox fanatics are a wee bit skewed jimk_z   | 08/22/06
IE relies on Active X slim-01   | 08/22/06
please elaborate... JoeMama_z   | 08/22/06
The fact that it uses ActiveX alone is enough slim-01   | 08/22/06
re jimk_z   | 08/22/06
active x crutch argument old jimk_z   | 08/22/06
If Mozilla Firefox is so bad and loaded with bugs and the sorts Intellihence   | 08/23/06
Difference in the amount of spyware. slim-01   | 08/23/06
Good point! dreis@...   | 08/22/06
"Firefox has some serious memory and cpu utilization issues. STILL." nomorems   | 08/22/06
re jimk_z   | 08/22/06
Microsoft Reaches Out To Firefox Developers imguessing   | 08/22/06
Could be they don't want to force a decision code_flogger   | 08/22/06
Between Vista and Firefox, goodby firefox michaelkhalsa   | 08/22/06
Beta vs. VHS all over again wjkahlssmd@...   | 08/22/06
Gee..guess you would sell your soul to the devil for lots 'o bucks? nomorems   | 08/22/06
back in the day... nix_hed   | 08/22/06
Politics? NewCyberian   | 08/24/06
My Soul is just FINE thank you wjkahlssmd@...   | 08/23/06
Sorry, nomorems   | 08/23/06
"Microsoft is a great resource" nomorems   | 08/22/06
Vista...not me..not right away ccrashh   | 08/23/06
Remember spyglass? none none   | 08/22/06
a good point to be sure NewCyberian   | 08/24/06
microsnake in the grass not of this world   | 08/22/06
What the hell for? mypl8s4u2   | 08/22/06
Ahh yes, but ... phburks   | 08/22/06
Actually, they do have to guess... nomorems   | 08/23/06
Right on the money! tripolitan   | 08/22/06
More none none   | 08/22/06
Oops none none   | 08/22/06
Argh! none none   | 08/22/06
We really need a preview page! none none   | 08/22/06
why so they can steal a better tabbed browser? warezdog   | 08/22/06
re jimk_z   | 08/22/06
and yeah, blah nix_hed   | 08/22/06
A question.... ju1ce   | 08/23/06
An answer: nomorems   | 08/23/06
Wutewute codevictim   | 08/23/06
let them ask open source for help aptdoc@...   | 08/22/06
Good for business Fairway   | 08/22/06
sureuhmyeahrightIguessso codevictim   | 08/23/06
good for business Fairway   | 08/23/06
Didn't they..... macdui@...   | 08/23/06
dont ever trust M$ ever Quebec-french   | 08/23/06
Vista or Firefox? mhayes_z   | 08/23/06
Mozilla BEWARE, study your history lostinlodos   | 08/23/06
Reaches Out???? mepixie1@...   | 08/23/06
Here's a novel idea plumnilly   | 08/23/06
woe is us codevictim   | 08/23/06
Standard Procedure... msdead   | 08/23/06
Beware GuidoMuldoon   | 08/23/06
they might want to retool microsoft.com while they're at it nedlilly   | 08/23/06
Microsoft reaches out to Firefox knucklehead762@...   | 08/23/06
IfGo Thn Vista SP3 bombsFF codevictim   | 08/23/06
Microsoft& FireFox` Bobby Joe Reed   | 08/23/06
As long as IE has ActiveX, It's a hazard. support@...   | 08/24/06
You meant HacktiveX Right? msdead   | 08/25/06
What is that old saying? TooLongInTheBiz   | 08/24/06
or how about this GuidoMuldoon   | 08/24/06
Microsoft Giant? jlr102846   | 08/26/06
gee, didnt see this coming longview_92@...   | 09/01/06
Microsoft virg   | 09/07/06

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