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By Andy McCue, Silicon.com
Posted on ZDNet News: Sep 28, 2007 12:00:00 AM

UK businesses have backed calls for computers to be sold 'naked'--without a bundled Microsoft Windows operating system.

On Monday. European think tank the Globalisation Institute made a submission to the EC proposing that all PCs and laptops should be sold without an OS in order to foster competition and bring down prices, saying the current practice "imposes an extra cost on virtually every EU business."

Three-quarters of silicon.com's 12-strong CIO Jury IT director panel have now backed that call for naked PCs, although the argument is far from straightforward.

Carl Whitehead, IT director at Betbrokers, said naked PCs without an OS would probably increase choice and reduce costs for about a third of buyers.

He said: "The rule should be that wherever a PC or laptop is sold with an installed OS, it must always also be available without an OS but with any utilities the manufacturer feels like including. This will help to limit the monopoly marketing power of the big players, who have an interest in reducing choice and flexibility."

Rob Neil, head of ICT and customer service at Ashford Borough Council, agreed but warned computers without an OS can work out more expensive.

He said: "Remember that the staff cost of installing an OS on new equipment is significant."

Other IT chiefs also backed the argument for optional, not compulsory, naked PCs. Nicholas Bellenberg, IT director at publisher Hachette Filipacchi UK, said: "Currently we purchase some PCs that predominantly run Linux but Windows is kept as a boot option - but how much is it used? We also run a few Macs now that use Parallels to provide a Windows OS - and of course this means purchasing Windows XP as a stand-alone option, which seems disproportionately expensive. Clarifying the real cost of the parts of a PC purchase would be a good thing."

Graham Yellowley, director of technology services at investment bank Mitsubishi UFJ Securities International, added: "While Windows is the predominant operating system in use it is not the only one and there should be a choice made available for purchasers allowing for either no operating system, or an operating system capable of executing on the PC."

But not everyone is in favor of a Windows-less PC option. Stuart Aitken, CIO at the Medical Research Council, said: "Do we really want the burden of building every machine, getting all the drivers etc? In any event you can get a PC with a different OS if you want to."

Ben Booth, global CTO at research and polling company Ipsos, said: "Of course we should continue to push for better pricing from Microsoft but those of us old enough to have been around before the 'Windows monopoly' remember the high costs and lock-in caused by incompatible proprietary systems. Having a standard OS avoids this."

Today's CIO Jury was...

Stuart Aitken, CIO, Medical Research Council
Rob Neil, head of ICT and customer service, Ashford Borough Council
Bill Ashworth, IT director, Countrywide Surveyors
Nicholas Bellenberg, IT director, Hachette Filipacchi UK
Ben Booth, global CTO at research and polling company Ipsos
Chris Broad, head of IM&T, UK Atomic Energy Authority
Steve Gediking, head of IT and facilities, Independent Police Complaints Commission
Paul Haley, IT director, University of Aberdeen
Peter Ryder, head of ICT, Preston City Council
Richard Storey, head of IT, Guy's and St Thomas' NHS Foundation Trust
Carl Whitehead, IT director, Betbrokers
Graham Yellowley, director of technology services, Mitsubishi UFJ Securities International

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RE: Are 'naked PCs' good for businesses?
IT Managers?
If these guys claim themselves to be IT managers can not decide for themselves if they need an OS or can not negotiate with a suplie to get one they do not deserve the name.
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dell sells somewhat naked PC's.....  JoeMama_z | 09/28/07
Indeed,,,  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/28/07
In Europe?  Zogg | 09/28/07
What???  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/29/07
It doesn't matter  jfp | 09/28/07
RE: Are 'naked PCs' good for businesses?  ewasserman | 09/28/07
Misleading article, they're not backing the GI on an outright ban on bundli  georgeou | 09/28/07
I'm okay with that  Chad_z | 09/30/07
So why stop there? Add CPU's and memory to the list, too  John Zern | 09/30/07
They are already on the list. DUH!  Calson | 10/01/07
Remarkable silly argument  rweiler@... | 10/01/07
I vote for ...  zoroaster | 10/01/07
Out fishing  thungurknifur | 10/02/07
Not as extreme as GI's initiative, a reasonable approach ...  George Mitchell | 09/28/07
I'm not sure if it's fair to require a Linux option  georgeou | 09/28/07
And whose version of Linux should they support  John Zern | 09/28/07
I agree, but zero OS should be an option  georgeou | 09/28/07
Funny about that  rhomp2002@... | 10/01/07
Very reasonable  rweiler@... | 10/01/07
This is a NON issue because ...  George Mitchell | 09/29/07
Only if you're not an OEM  seosamh_z | 09/29/07
Regulations are a fact of life ...  George Mitchell | 09/29/07
Yes and no  seosamh_z | 09/30/07
Installing an OS is a daunting task for many ...  George Mitchell | 09/29/07
So you would put a gun to a hardware maker's head to support Linux?  georgeou | 09/29/07
Ridiculous argument ...  George Mitchell | 09/29/07
Backwards  Calson | 10/01/07
No such guarantee from vendors!  terry flores | 09/30/07
You're missing the point ...  George Mitchell | 09/30/07
with due respect  gilhardwick@... | 10/01/07
I found the opposite with some companies  rhomp2002@... | 10/01/07
missing element  gilhardwick@... | 10/01/07
Easy as pie  sinczar@... | 10/01/07
RE: Are 'naked PCs' good for businesses?  chris_x | 09/28/07
These peole are CIO's???  omdguy | 09/28/07
Esy  rhomp2002@... | 10/01/07
you got that right  zoroaster | 10/01/07
Price Differences  DarkPhoenixFF4 | 10/01/07
The real problem is piracy isn't it?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/29/07
This IS Microsoft's problem, ISN"T IT?  George Mitchell | 09/29/07
No, you can't jsut say its Microsofts problem  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/29/07
Congratulations ...  George Mitchell | 09/29/07
Yeah that makes sense, not  voska | 10/01/07
Why not, they are still making a ton of profit.  stevey_d | 10/01/07
Wow. You're way off on that  John Zern | 09/30/07
So that's you solution?  voska | 10/01/07
you mispelled 'unusable'  rweiler@... | 10/01/07
re: The real problem is piracy isn't it?  M.R. Kennedy | 09/29/07
Why I gave those numbers...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/29/07
You're hole is getting pretty deep.  mattnico | 09/30/07
How do you pirate hardware?  voska | 10/01/07
It doesn't stop the pirates anyway.  osreinstall | 10/01/07
Well of course it's Microsoft's problem  voska | 10/01/07
That's Microsoft's problem  tracy anne | 10/02/07
Let the market decide.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/29/07
Somebody already beat you to that idea ...  terry flores | 09/30/07
Microsoft hijacked that market long ago  DarkPhoenixFF4 | 10/01/07
Doesn't even have to be legal  Ole Man | 10/02/07
Naked PCs  doug@... | 09/29/07
A boon to Microsoft  Bill4 | 09/29/07
A disaster for Microsoft  junk@... | 09/29/07
RE: Are 'naked PCs' good for businesses?  redds304@... | 10/01/07
Are naked PCs good for business - YES  honmanm | 10/01/07
Makes good sense.  DemonX | 10/01/07
Nonsense  frantaylor | 10/01/07
RE: Are 'naked PCs' good for businesses?  kmurray723@... | 10/01/07
You already can buy PC's without an OS...  butler360 | 10/01/07
Then why are Dell/HP etc. PCs more expensive?  Ivystung | 10/01/07
Is you IT dept up to the task?  dbisse@... | 10/01/07
Think of Naked PC's this way......  carlsf@... | 10/01/07
This is how it use to be...  agohige | 10/01/07
Complete nonsense try OSX or Ubuntu. windows needs to catch up  stevey_d | 10/01/07
Must sell Apple without an OS installed right?  smarmybastard | 10/01/07
Apple's situation is different  DarkPhoenixFF4 | 10/01/07
high costs and lock-in caused by incompatible proprietary systems.  1bn0 | 10/01/07
Incompatible?  DarienHawk67 | 10/01/07
Some examples  shis-ka-bob | 10/02/07
Bundling an OS is just bad.  vampyrepenguin | 10/01/07
Are Naked PC?s Good for Business? In my opinion, no.  DarienHawk67 | 10/01/07
Can I get some of what you're smoking?  Rick_K | 10/01/07
I am smoking the good stuff! happy  DarienHawk67 | 10/01/07
RE: Are 'naked PCs' good for businesses?  gilhardwick@... | 10/01/07
Remember the cost of removing crapware  tony@... | 10/02/07
RE: Are 'naked PCs' good for businesses?  huggybear515 | 10/02/07
RE: Are 'naked PCs' good for businesses?  zenofjazz@... | 10/02/07
What is good for business, as well as the public  Ole Man | 10/02/07
Its not about better pricing from Microsoft  cabdriverjim | 10/02/07
Yes very good indeed level the field  Altotus | 10/07/07
RE: Are 'naked PCs' good for businesses?  sjmassam@... | 11/02/07

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