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By Liam Tung, ZDNet Australia, News.com
Posted on ZDNet News: May 21, 2008 5:41:27 AM

Companies are wasting money on security processes--such as applying patches and using antivirus software--which just don't work, according to Cisco's chief security officer John Stewart.

Speaking at the AusCERT 2008 conference in the Gold Coast yesterday, Stewart said the malware industry is moving faster than the security industry, making it impossible for users to remain secure.

"If patching and antivirus is where I spend my money, and I'm still getting infected and I still have to clean up computers and I still need to reload them and still have to recover the user's data and I still have to reinstall it, the entire cost equation of that is a waste.

"It's completely wasted money," Stewart told delegates. He said infections have become so common that most companies have learned to live with them.

"There are too many companies in the world that actually believe infection is just a cost of doing business and are getting used to doing it--as opposed to stopping it completely. That's dangerous," he said.

A better way of dealing with the unknown is to use whitelists--where only authorized or approved software can execute, said Stewart. "I'm sick of blacklisted stuff. I've got to go for whitelisted stuff--I know what that is because I put it there," he said. Security software vendors did not agree.

Gavin Struthers, regional director for McAfee Australia and New Zealand, said that although installing antivirus and updating patches are not a perfect solution, they certainly aren't a waste.

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No AV software is 100%
any virus YOU are aware of. no AV is 100%. It's more likely you have good practices not going to strange sites or downloading stuff you don't know... and probably a bit lucky/in denial. lol

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Posted by: Drakaran Posted on: 05/26/08 You are currently: Logged In | Log out
A better way to deal with it ... mrlinux   | 05/21/08
Which operating systems would those be? ye   | 05/21/08
Safer Operating Systems DrBrianM   | 05/21/08
For now daMan25   | 05/21/08
I encourage you to learn rarsa   | 05/21/08
Please, please, please, puuullleeeaaasssseee! ye   | 05/21/08
Too easy... T1Oracle   | 05/21/08
Sorry but you'll have to do better: ye   | 05/21/08
Come on, Mr. Gates, a.k.a ye Aragorn_z   | 05/22/08
@Aragorn_z: I keep asking the same question because... ye   | 05/22/08
And your investigation presents what data? flyingbuick   | 05/21/08
Right... glashoppah   | 05/21/08
I think that title belonged to sendmail for quite some time. ye   | 05/21/08
He didn't say "safer". He said "less vulnerable". ye   | 05/21/08
It'd be best for you... glashoppah   | 05/21/08
That is not true GuidingLight   | 05/22/08
Ever tried OpenBSD? davidr69   | 05/21/08
Sure have. My original question stands. ye   | 05/21/08
Less vulnerable vs. Safer TucsonGuy   | 05/21/08
Vulnerabilities exist whether anyone targets the platform... ye   | 05/21/08
Types of Security Problems slaskoske   | 05/22/08
Does it really matter WHY... arminw   | 05/21/08
Yes, if you actually expect a problem to be fixed. ye   | 05/22/08
There are no safer operating systems Lerianis   | 05/22/08
Gimme a BREAK! howard.blake@...   | 05/21/08
So true... glashoppah   | 05/21/08
you called? GiMMeABreak   | 05/23/08
REALLY? NHMtnMan   | 05/21/08
Wow. the first post is nothing but a Troll! GuidingLight   | 05/22/08
Very impartial response... GetReal-mac.com   | 05/23/08
BUYING antivirus is a waste of time kcredden2   | 05/21/08
Not worthless, but shouldn't be bloated Norcross   | 05/21/08
Totally agree cmosentine   | 05/21/08
Medical Practice problems TucsonGuy   | 05/21/08
Yes SoftDent is a security nightmare! frankinks   | 05/21/08
Sounds like they need different software. NT ThereThere   | 05/22/08
Dental Software... randysmith@...   | 05/22/08
RE: Antivirus is 'completely wasted money': Cisco CSO rmlounsbury@...   | 05/21/08
Antivirus Wasted Money! brotherjim01@...   | 05/21/08
If I was an IT... Drakaran   | 05/21/08
Give them a day off... ThereThere   | 05/22/08
Using virtual machines is the only practical solution progon   | 05/21/08
I wouldn't count on that Drakaran   | 05/21/08
I would say, "Windows is wasted money". Switch to Linux! xunil skcor   | 05/21/08
Why? ceward_z   | 05/21/08
if IBM sells it, on a mainframe, it's clearly not that buggy. shryko   | 05/21/08
Are you so sure? slaskoske   | 05/22/08
Good question davidr69   | 05/21/08
Let's not single out 1 pot flyingbuick   | 05/21/08
Well, I think the "no brainer" part GuidingLight   | 05/22/08
What happens when Linux is 80% market? randysmith@...   | 05/22/08
How about SELinux? davidr69   | 05/21/08
Likely not an option for the "average" user. ye   | 05/21/08
RE: Antivirus is 'completely wasted money': Cisco CSO tim914   | 05/21/08
RE: Antivirus vs. Whitelist david.swift@...   | 05/21/08
RE: Antivirus is 'completely wasted money': Cisco CSO kbulenda@...   | 05/21/08
not even white hat or black hat, Just OLD HAT topsecret@...   | 05/21/08
Great Windows Security Solution... Gabriel Kent   | 05/21/08
AV not needed? pwood57@...   | 05/21/08
No AV software is 100% Drakaran   | 05/26/08
Norton is the worst of the useless anti NOTHING software. okc_rn@...   | 05/21/08
Vundo.... sframberger@...   | 05/22/08
If it's such an ugly infection Lerianis   | 05/22/08
Antivirus is maybe a wasted money' troubled241   | 05/22/08
Use POSIX OS, Port blocking a good Magic Box a VM and forget about it pla777@...   | 05/22/08
RE: Antivirus is 'completely wasted money': Cisco CSO ThereThere   | 05/22/08
RE: Antivirus is 'completely wasted money': Cisco CSO dingers@...   | 05/22/08
There's a huge flaw in this argument D. W. Bierbaum   | 05/22/08
I'll be blunt Lerianis   | 05/22/08
Are white-lists really the answer? Hameiri   | 05/22/08
RE: Antivirus is 'completely wasted money': Cisco CSO dcolbert@...   | 05/22/08
RE: Antivirus is 'completely wasted money': Cisco CSO baylors   | 05/22/08
We run a proxy server... bjbrock   | 05/22/08
Much better to sue .... milton@...   | 05/23/08

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