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By David Meyer ZDNet.co.uk, News.com
Posted on ZDNet News: Apr 30, 2008 7:21:27 AM

Companies building websites should beware of proprietary rich-media technologies like Adobe's Flash and Microsoft's Silverlight, the founder of Mozilla Europe has warned.

Speaking at the Internet World conference in London on Tuesday, Tristan Nitot claimed such applications threaten the open nature of the internet because the companies behind them could "have an agenda". While he conceded that Flash was currently necessary for consistently displaying content such as video, he suggested that the upcoming revision of the HTML specification would make it unnecessary to use proprietary technology.

Flash is already used to display multimedia content on many websites. According to Nitot, the Adobe Flash Player is on 98 percent of all PCs in the world. Silverlight is a similar technology, launched by Microsoft last year.

Nitot was speaking on the subject of "the dangers of the proprietary web". He described the nature of the web at the moment as open, but suggested that "proprietary solutions running on top of the web are trying to take over". Referring specifically to Flash and Silverlight, he said that "people depend on the vendor to provide them with the runtime [browser plug-in that runs the code]."

"So far there has not been a problem," Nitot said. "Both Adobe and Microsoft have been willing to give [Flash and Silverlight away] for free. But maybe they have an agenda. They're not here for the glory; they're here for the money." Currently both Microsoft and Adobe make money from their respective web multimedia software by selling developer kits, but there are now a number of open-source projects for developing Flash and less mature, but still active, efforts to create open-source Silverlight development software.

Nitot gave two historical examples of Microsoft and Adobe withdrawing or withholding products from certain platforms: Microsoft's discontinuation of Internet Explorer for Unix and Mac, and Adobe's long-standing refusal to "provide a recent version of Flash for Linux users". He suggested that web developers should be asking those companies whether they are "sure that Silverlight and Flash will always be available on all platforms [and] run decently on all platforms."

"You're producing content for your users and there's someone in the middle deciding whether users should see your content," Nitot said. "If Adobe or Microsoft decides to compete with you and you're using their technology, you cannot compete."

"If you consider proprietary technologies, think hard; are you really trading convenience in the short term with independence in the long term?" Nitot asked. He conceded that "if you want to have a commercially viable website, in most cases you need Flash," but continued: "In HTML 5 there will be video and audio; you won't need Flash for video and audio". HTML 5 is currently a work in progress. Although the specification can be used in some cases now, it is not likely to reach completion until 2010 at the very earliest.

Talking to ZDNet.co.uk after his speech, Nitot said he had "nothing against Adobe". "Flash… is a success, although I don't think it is [compatible with] the open web," he said. He added that Adobe should open source Flash and claimed that there was a possibility of this happening if Silverlight becomes a successful rival to it.

Nitot also claimed that Mozilla was "leading [open] web standards adoption" by gaining significant market share for its Firefox browser, thereby forcing competitors such as Microsoft to use web standards in their browsers.

ZDNet.co.uk approached Microsoft and Adobe for comment on Nitot's speech but neither had responded at the time of writing.

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The "may"...? Qbt   | 04/30/08
When must-have programs become Trojans terry flores   | 04/30/08
Try Flash and Pics Control for IE. Anton Philidor   | 04/30/08
RE: Try Flash and Pics Control for IE bfilipiak@...   | 04/30/08
Hey Anton pablo@...   | 05/01/08
Once again the myth of going to Firefox tonymcs@...   | 05/05/08
Monopoly is against the law, and is despised shannon.vanwagner@...   | 05/11/08
My, you are bitter and twisted! GOTBO   | 05/01/08
Pardon me... Four-Eyes   | 05/05/08
Me too - sort of sagax-   | 05/04/08
Proof exists Update victim   | 05/01/08
motivation coffeeshark   | 04/30/08
According to Mr. Nitot, the motivation should be... Guy Smiley   | 04/30/08
Destroy prorietary software elderlybloke   | 05/01/08
Hardware costs are different to software quantumstate   | 04/30/08
software costs a lot, though coffeeshark   | 04/30/08
Well, You're correct about no guarantee on Update victim   | 05/01/08
Not quite right Dr. John   | 04/30/08
Just like an open source guy mydasx   | 05/05/08
"It's their software to do with as they please" philDaniels   | 05/01/08
FUD shawn_dude   | 05/01/08
I use flash player in Linux np starcannon99022@...   | 05/01/08
flash player in Linux LinuxEnduser   | 05/02/08
The market will work - let it! Carrion   | 04/30/08
I agree with you, to the extent that the market is "open" terry flores   | 04/30/08
Open Source Flash pj_mouse   | 05/01/08
This line of logic supposes... starcannon99022@...   | 05/01/08
The market will work - let it! vilppuu@...   | 05/08/08
The internet has never been "Open" in nature. QUIT trying to paint..... xuniL_z   | 04/30/08
Open source is not government controlled quantumstate   | 04/30/08
you are right xuniL_z   | 04/30/08
The Internet IS BY AND LARGE OPEN chaz15   | 04/30/08
Oh Gosh TtfnJohn   | 04/30/08
Well said balaknair   | 04/30/08
Pappy of the internet candusound@...   | 05/01/08
Al Gore bahera   | 05/02/08
Your wrong starcannon99022@...   | 05/01/08
Proprietary software is patriotic elderlybloke   | 05/01/08
Striking a balance Spats30   | 04/30/08
Oh God ! here we go again --- quick call the EU... OU812_BABY   | 04/30/08
MS and Google called the EUq bahera   | 05/02/08
RE: Mozilla warns of Flash and Silverlight 'agenda' johnpills   | 04/30/08
RE: Mozilla warns of Flash and Silverlight 'agenda' ah.lopes@...   | 04/30/08
RE: Mozilla warns of Flash and Silverlight 'agenda' fewiii   | 04/30/08
Great retort bahera   | 05/02/08
XUL zd@...   | 04/30/08
RE: No Flash Needed Mr_Wizard   | 04/30/08
RE: Mozilla warns of Flash and Silverlight 'agenda' ibtechnologies@...   | 04/30/08
Flash and Silverlight ..Apples and Oranges ibtechnologies@...   | 04/30/08
No, Flex is a counter to WPF/.NET PB_z   | 05/01/08
Wrong ibtechnologies@...   | 05/01/08
Adobe AIR + Flex is counter to WPF ibtechnologies@...   | 05/01/08
Can you say "AIR" ibtechnologies@...   | 05/01/08
???? ibtechnologies@...   | 05/01/08
Gotta love it... jackbond   | 05/01/08
WRONG ibtechnologies@...   | 05/01/08
OOPS Sorry posted to wrong reply ibtechnologies@...   | 05/01/08
RE: Mozilla warns of Flash and Silverlight 'agenda' webm0nster   | 04/30/08
Gratitude? Nice logic. bahera   | 05/02/08
RE: "Adobe's long-standing refusal to... Louis.Ross@...   | 04/30/08
Works like an alpha... Necrolin   | 05/01/08
Beta beta beta bahera   | 05/02/08
I must have lucked out. Louis.Ross@...   | 05/02/08
RE: Mozilla warns of Flash and Silverlight 'agenda' walkerjian@...   | 04/30/08
RE: Mozilla warns of Flash and Silverlight 'agenda' iHateMorons   | 05/01/08
HTML/CSS = unexciting? bahera   | 05/02/08
This guy is an IDIOT iHateMorons   | 05/01/08
HTML 5 is a total joke jackbond   | 05/01/08
You must be talking about a different HTML5... shoktai@...   | 05/01/08
No, not a mistake, HTML 5 is a fuken joke jackbond   | 05/01/08
They're taking a bad approach with HTML5 PB_z   | 05/01/08
Small competitors? bahera   | 05/02/08
Over the top. tonytopper   | 05/01/08
AMEN!... OU812_BABY   | 05/01/08
EU boo-hoos? bahera   | 05/02/08
Idiots and agendas? bahera   | 05/02/08
RE: Mozilla warns of Flash and Silverlight 'agenda' JasterMereel   | 05/01/08
RE: Mozilla warns of Flash and Silverlight 'agenda' philDaniels   | 05/01/08
RE: Mozilla warns of Flash and Silverlight 'agenda' philDaniels   | 05/01/08
Mozilla sucks! qmlscycrajg@...   | 05/01/08
The consistently high intellectual level mhenriday   | 05/01/08
Trust consumers and let the Free Market decide ElgatoNL   | 05/01/08
Everybody's an Idiot aureolin@...   | 05/01/08
Competition is building something better THEE WOLF   | 05/01/08
This guy is annoying... tucker@...   | 05/01/08
Flash = not out there bahera   | 05/02/08
RE: Mozilla warns of Flash and Silverlight 'agenda' abarten   | 05/01/08
squack about flash and silverlight, but don't provide a solution...thanks! quarky42   | 05/01/08
Adobe and MS pablo@...   | 05/01/08
Mozilla = MS? bahera   | 05/02/08
Adobe has open-sourced Flash Paul C.   | 05/01/08
Flash is NOT open-sourced bahera   | 05/02/08
An overview... Mitch 74   | 05/01/08
RE: Mozilla warns of Flash and Silverlight 'agenda' tem@...   | 05/01/08
RE: Mozilla warns of Flash and Silverlight 'agenda' admin@...   | 05/01/08
RE: Mozilla warns of Flash and Silverlight 'agenda' bahera   | 05/02/08
RE: Mozilla warns of Flash and Silverlight 'agenda' mattjpoole@...   | 05/02/08
Translation... Spiritusindomit@...   | 05/02/08
Flash is useful in some cases... Four-Eyes   | 05/05/08
Flash is net Blight proton_z   | 05/06/08
RE: Mozilla warns of Flash and Silverlight 'agenda' Ceridan   | 05/06/08
This story is so damn right. magallanes   | 05/06/08
Heck Boot_Agnostic   | 05/07/08
Name a website that requires Safari? sw0rdfish   | 05/07/08
Flash and Silverlight are more than just Video royalstream   | 05/07/08
Don't whine, please... srkinyon   | 05/07/08
RE: Mozilla warns of Flash and Silverlight 'agenda' fsadfas   | 05/09/08
Mozilla warns of Flash and Silverlight 'agenda' fsadfas   | 05/09/08
What if flash suddenly wasn't free anymore? skate323k137   | 05/10/08

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